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From ape to human – the journey in pictures

I came across an excellent resource that graphically illustrates the path taken by humans to attain their present form, and we can infer how our sense of facial attractiveness has transformed.  This in the form of a book, “The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty Two Species of Extinct Humans.”  It does a great job of putting a face on ancestral species leading to modern humans.  This book illustrates meticulous reconstructions of fossils.  An example of a Homo heidelbergenis reconstruction is shown below.

Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis
Reconstructing the face of a 350,000-year-old human. Start from left. Stage 1: A cast of a Homo heidelbergenis skull found in Atapuerca, Spain. Stage 2: After the addition of missing or damaged teeth and the reconstruction of the eye orbit. Stage 3: After the application of some deep soft tissues. Stage 4: After the application of most of the superficial soft tissues. Stage 5: The right half shows the complete deep and superficial soft tissue reconstruction, and the left half shows the complete facial reconstruction. Stage 6: After the application of skin. Stage 7: After the application of facial hair.

When looking at the illustrations, a few things should be kept in mind. 

  • In the reconstructions, the skin color is the best guess of the artist.
  • The pictures on this page should not be taken as representative examples.  Just as there is tremendous face shape diversity among modern humans, great diversity also existed among the ancestral species, but the reconstruction team can only work with the skull(s) on hand, and the reconstruction process is very tedious, making it unlikely that we will find very many examples of reconstructions.
  • The arrangement is roughly along the line of time of appearance/existence.
  • The dates list estimates of the age of the fossil (single date) or the period of the existence of the species as inferred from their remains (date range).

The great apes

The ape group currently comprises of gibbons, orangutans, chimpanzees and gorillas.

female gibbon orangutans common chimpanzee common chimpanzee
bonobo bonobo bonobo gorilla gorilla
First row from left: female gibbon, male (left) and female orangutan, two common chimpanzees. Second row from left: three bonobo chimpanzees, two gorillas.

Earliest African hominids

Hominids are creatures belonging to the human-ape family.  The earliest African hominids looked like apes.

Sahelanthropus tchadensis

Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Sahelanthropus tchadensis (Northern Chad; ~ 7 million years ago (mya)).

Orrorin tugenesis

Orrorin tugenesis
Orrorin tugenesis (Kenya; 6.2 – 5.65 mya; only part of the jaw/some teeth recovered).

Ardipithecus ramidus/kadabba

Ardipithecus ramidus
Ardipithecus ramidus (Ethiopia; kadabba is 5.55 – 5.18 mya, ramidus is 4.42 mya; Ramidus: some teeth, some jaw parts, incomplete skull base, a skull wall fragment). Paintings shown.

Appearance of the human lineage

These looked in between apes and humans, and walked upright.  Some had faces closer to those of apes than humans.  They have been called ape-men or man-apes.

Australopithecus anamensis

Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus anamensis (Kenya; 4.17 – 3.77mya; closer to 4.17mya).

Kenyanthropus platyops

Kenyanthropus platyops
Kenyanthropus platyops (Kenya; 3.57 – 3.4 mya; 3.4 – 2.5mya). This appears to be a painting.

Australopithecus afarensis

Australopithecus afarensis male Australopithecus afarensis female Australopithecus afarensis juvenile
Australopithecus afarensis (Ethiopia, also possibly Kenya; 3.4 – 2.92mya). Adult male (left), adult female (middle) and child.  The adult female is the reconstruction of the famous fossil of Lucy.

Paranthropus aethiopicus

Paranthropus aethiopicus
Paranthropus aethiopicus (Ethiopia and Kenya; 2.8 – 2.3mya).

Australopithecus garhi

Australopithecus garhi
Australopithecus garhi (Central Ethiopia; 2.46mya).

Australopithecus africanus

Australopithecus africanus Australopithecus africanus juvenile
Australopithecus africanus (Transvaal (South Africa); 3.5 – 2.5mya). Adult and baby.

Paranthropus robustus/crassidens

Paranthropus robustus
Paranthropus robustus (South Africa; 1.8 – 1mya).

Appearance of Homo (Humans)

All species names beginning with Homo are human species.  All but one human species went extinct but the surviving human species has absorbed other human species.(1, pdf)

Homo rudolfensis

Homo rudolfensis
Homo rudolfensis (Kenya; 1.9 – 1.88mya).

Homo habilis

Homo habilis male Homo habilis female
Homo habilis (Tanzania; 1.83 – 1.53mya); male (left) and female adults.

Paranthropus boisei

Paranthropus boisei
Paranthropus boisei (Kenya and Ethiopia; 2.3 – 1.4 mya). An odd entry, but the arrangement is by time of appearance.

Homo ergaster

Homo ergaster Homo ergaster boy
Homo ergaster (Kenya, possibly South Africa; 1.9 – 1.49mya). An adult is shown on the left. Note that the juvenile (boy) bears some resemblance to twentieth century adult Australian aboriginals whereas the adult (man) looks much more ancestral.

Homo georgicus

Homo georgicus
Homo georgicus (Dmanisi (Georgia); 1.81 – 1.77mya).

Homo erectus

Homo erectus
Homo erectus (Indonesia; 1.9mya – 29,000 years ago).

Homo pekinensis

Homo pekinensis
Homo pekinensis (China; most are approximately 600,000 – 420,000 years old).

Homo floresiensis

Homo floresiensis
Homo floresiensis (Flores (Indonesia); 74,000 – 12,000 years ago).

Homo antecessor

Homo antecessor
Homo antecessor (Spain; ~ 700,000 years ago).

Homo rhodesiensis

Homo rhodesiensis
Homo rhodesiensis (Zambia; ~ 600,000 years ago).

Homo heidelbergensis

Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis
Homo heidelbergensis (England, France, Spain, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Israel, Morocco; 400,000 – 150,000 years ago).

Homo neanderthalensis

Homo neanderthalensis male Homo neanderthalensis male Homo neanderthalensis female Homo neanderthalensis female
Homo neanderthalensis (Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Iraq, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Uzbekistan; 175,000 – 27,000 years ago). Males (left two) and female. The female reconstruction is taken from a National Geographic article on Neanderthals that has been addressed previously.

Homo sapiens

These are modern humans.  The earliest appearance of modern humans depends on how strict one’s definition of modern human is.  If a high prevalence of ancestral features such as a poorly developed chin (can be found in significant frequencies among present sub-Saharan Africans and present Australian aborigines) or a single, prominent brow bone (can be found in some Australian aborigines) are included as part of modern humans, then modern humans date to 250,000 – 300,000 years ago in sub-Saharan Africa.  A stricter definition would allow a low frequency of features that are rare or absent in most if not all current human populations, and this would contract the origin of modern humans to about 150,000 – 100,000 years ago.   

150,000 years old Homo sapiens
Homo sapiens in sub-Saharan Africa, approximately 150,000 year old (the species is found in all continents except Antarctica).  The approximate resemblance is to current Australian aborigines and sub-Saharan Africans.  A way to imagine many of the earliest modern humans or borderline modern humans is to picture a sub-Saharan African or, better still, an Australian aboriginal with an overall flattened mid-facial region as seen in current Northeast Asians.

In the present, humans vary widely along the ancestral-to-derived discriminant.

Australian aborigines Australian aborigines Central Africans Asiatic woman Nikolai Valuev
20th century humans showing facial features more obviously indicative of human descent from the ancestral species. The overall highest frequency of ancestral features of the skull are found in Australian aborigines, especially in unmixed individuals of some tribes such as the Tasmanians, closely followed by sub-Saharan Africans. The most ancestral form of overall facial flatness (side view) is found among sub-Saharan African populations. Nevertheless, individuals can be found in any human population who leave no doubt about where we are coming from. Examples are not representative.

European Europeans European European
20th century humans illustrating more overall derived facial features. Examples are not representative.

Broad changes in the ape-to-human face shape transformation are shown below.

Ape and man face comparison
A sketch of basic differences between the human and the ape face.

The size of the present human face has reduced compared to ancestral humans. This process requires less deposition of bone in the face. The nuances of reduced bone deposition correspond to finer facial features.

G.J. Sawyer and Viktor Deak with some of their reconstructions of ancient humans. Adrie and Alfons Kennis with their reconstruction of a Neanderthal woman
Left: G.J. Sawyer and Viktor Deak, the two individuals largely responsible for the reconstructed faces in The Last Human, with many of their reconstructed fossils. Right: Adrie and Alfons Kennis with their reconstruction of a Neanderthal woman.

The consequences of growth retardation and shape changes resulting from other factors are shown below.

European male profile A comparison of shape change with growth in humans and chimpanzees Chimpanzee vs. human face shape
Left: A non-masculine (among men), large (6-foot-4) European male illustrating the derived form (see middle figure(2, pdf)). Both larger and less masculine skulls are more prognathic (more protuding jaws), yet note the regression of the jaw of the individual shown in the picture. If face growth is retarded during development, then one’s jaw doesn’t protrude as much even though the individual attains a large size. However, retardation of face growth cannot produce the projecting nasal bones, the projecting forehead and the well-developed chin of the illustrative example. Therefore, the ape-to-human face shape change involves both growth retardation and the development of a new face shape for humans (see figure at right(3)). This nuance is important. For instance, looking at the juvenile and adult faces of Homo ergaster and Australopithecus afarensis shown above, the juvenile faces are closer to our faces, which prompts the suggestion that human faces are neotenized faces of the ancestral species. Growth retardation is necessary but not sufficient for neoteny, and whereas growth retardation is responsible, in part, for making the jaws less protruding in humans, we can observe that the shape that has become us is a new, unique development, not the retention of an earlier development.

The direction of shift in aesthetic preferences with time roughly parallels the direction of shift in shape with time.  See more materials on preferences lying along the ancestral-to-derived discriminant.

Concluding remarks

G.J. Sawyer and Viktor Deak have put faces on our long-deceased ancestors and relatives...may their souls rest in peace.  Perhaps one day we shall join in Heaven our ancestors as well as relatives who ended up the losers of natural selection, meet them in the flesh, raised from the ashes in all their glory, with eternal life bequeathed unto them by the Gods, and, speaking a common tongue, reflect upon where we came from, what we became and what direction our descendents took in a journey that will not end till death does our species part from Earth and other locales our descendents may inhabit.

References

  1. Eswaran V, Harpending H, Rogers AR. Genomics refutes an exclusively African origin of humans. J Hum Evol 2005;49(1):1-18.
  2. Lieberman DE, McBratney BM, Krovitz G. The evolution and development of cranial form in Homo sapiens. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2002;99(3):1134-1139.
  3. Penin X, Berge C, Baylac M. Ontogenetic study of the skull in modern humans and the common chimpanzees: neotenic hypothesis reconsidered with a tridimensional Procrustes analysis. Am J Phys Anthropol 2002;118(1):50-62.
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Godis, asking Violet Corpus for tips on debating tactics is typical: scathing character assassinations, vulgarity and tactless use of the English language...what can this person teach you? How to be more arrogant? More judgemental?

So what you are saying, bookworm, is thank god they didn't keep their asian and african features.

V.C.:

"I don't know if I want to say sorry, or even if I should, and I don't know if I should feel guilt either. I'll refrain from extreme personal attacks like that from now on, though. If she does return."

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have tried to pin anything on you. For some reason I just feel this incredible guilt and I don't know why. I mean it is such a strong guilt, a feeling that something is terribly wrong. I know this may sound weird because I don't know Emily and this is just a site where we debate things but for some reason I just don't feel good about the way I've been acting lately. I don't think your words are THAT hurtful or wrong or anything, I guess I just felt really guilty about the way I've been acting and so I was trying to pin that guilt on other people or something? I don't know. I'm weird... I'm just getting a really negative energy from this site lately. It's just such a negative site, maybe I shouldn't come back. It really interests me and Emily fascinates me, but the site to me was starting to get unhealthy. But, I think you have the best arguments, because they are generally not biased and they are backed up. Your arguments are also not extremely negative or anything. You clearly can see that every race has advantages and disadvantages, which race has more advantages or more disadvantages, well that is up to debate and we don't know enough to determine that in my opinion.

Barberella:

"Godis, asking Violet Corpus for tips on debating tactics is typical: scathing character assassinations, vulgarity and tactless use of the English language...what can this person teach you? How to be more arrogant? More judgemental?"

I think he makes good points, and I think he is intelligent and I think he has better arguments than "you're jealous".

ghfghfghf? Is that you? Sure does sound like it.

The god of anthropology with a predilection for Asian women? There couldn't possibly be two of you! Deranged little cunt? Misanthropic little shit? How original!! Great minds definitly DON'T think alike.

Meet Violet Corpus, your greatest fan!

FUCK THIS CRAZY SITE AND THESE CRAZY MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

It would appear that the only "fetishism" on this site is of the Asian nature. Watch Violet Corpus/ghfghfghf go predictably insane at the mention of East Asians being unattractive.

I think, VC, that while scientific articles are OF COURSE more of a sound source of evidence, prattling on and on and on and on...about browridges, for example, and maintaining that the Nordic female, based on "articles", has such masculine facial bone sructure is still going to be useless in the long run. You really must show this. Yes, I love my photos. As much as Godis and Emily and Erik and MANY others. Trying to be an asshole by condescending to us "idiots" who would like to see what the FUCK you're talking about is arrogance. Of all the personality traits of anyone's here that you've been so judgemental of, which is arrogance, you seem to be the most arrogant person posting here right now. You're knowledge of anthropology is impressive, but your patronizing those of us who are not "fluent" in a lot of the scientific terminology you use is insulting. If you want to debate other scientists, than going to a more appropriate website to do that may be the solution to your obvious frustration at having to "show" in photos the points it is you're attempting to make here. I am so sorry for my lack of intelligence and wasting your precious time. Please allow me to bow down to the genius that is Violet Corpus.

It also appears that the source of your rage, that being a personal attraction to Asian females and Emily's barrage of insults of them, is pretty base and immature.

In a prior statement, I mistakenly misspelled "superiority". Please accept my humble apologies.

First of all. Less intelligent posters here spam this thread with photos of models and other people who have obvious white admixture. All these photos do is prove that white admixture adds beauty to other races and I doubt that was the intention.

Barberella;

"Ever heard the expression, a picture states a thousand words? I believe, on this site, that's true. You can talk about nasal bridges and gonial angles and brow ridges, and myself, being admittedly less scientificly and more visually or literally inclined will base my opinions on what it is that I see first and what I read last. For some, it is more easily interpreted visually. That has nothing to do with anyone's intellect being inferior, it has to do with the fact that this site is about BEAUTY, beauty being something more readily interpreted through use of visual aids instead of written ones."

Very true. VC and godis can go on and deny and deny and deny. As long as my photos tell the truth that is what people will see and believe. Saying that Swedish noses are robust and that asian faces are refined when my photos clearly show this is not true is rather pointless. These people obviously speak in their own self-interest more than in the interest of objective truth.

Also, they conveniently leave out the times I have said positive things about asians. As a group I find them terribly lacking in looks for the reasons I have stated. There are always exceptions and one girl I found pretty is this one, a Vietnamese girl, and I said so in one comment, and showed these photos.

Even she has uneven teeth and an underdeveloped body.

Of course she was left out when people who have an agenda to smear me misrepresent what I say. I just find that asians on a whole are unappealing and unfeminine since femininity for me requires a fully mature and developed female body. You can have small breasts, but when the entire body looks underdeveloped and childlike there is a problem.

Now, asians do sometimes have impaired vision sincethe fold over their eyes limits vision somewhat, especially when the excessive skin increases and hangs over the eyes. That is one reason they sometimes need plastic surgery to correct this. It is self-evident that an open eye, not slits, without skin partially blocking eye sight will work better. It can be considered a deformity since Down's patients have the same eyes, and it is a handicap if vision is impaired.

Swedes have excellent teeth, on average. I have no idea if that girl in the photo you like to taunt is Swedish. As I said she is atypical for Swedes in that we have better teeth. I cannot verify that she is Swedish since it wasn't my photo. The ones I choose come from Swedish sources and blogs.

We have no shortage of dentists here. lol We are not exactly a third world nation. We have less need for dentists here than the British, so that is the obvious reason we have fewer dentists. Your argument works against you, VC, but I guess you are not that intelligent.

A nation that has lots of dentists isn't necessarily a nation of people with strong teeth. I for one, have never in my life had even one cavity, and I have zero fillings. I have perfect teeth, as do all the people in my family and my friends, so we don't need dentist service.

I have found that teeth of smokers are the ones who see the most damage. In countries where you have lots of smokers, E. Europe, for example, the teeth will be much less healthy. Smoking depletes the body of vitamin C, vital for teeth health.

As for visoon, what kind of eyes do you think have superior function? Eyelid surgery is extremely common among asians and I don't think it is only for cosmetic reasons.

These ones

or these ones? Swedish girls.

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TYPICAL SWEDISH BEAUTY

Ugly Asian

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FEMININE SWEDISH WOMAN

feminine swedish woman

MASCULINE ASIAN

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VC said asians are gracile and REFINED? He must be looking at those fake asian models. lol the problem is that they don't have access to that 500 megawatt bulb and photoshop in real lif,e so it's not what asians look like. They do have a thing for plastic surgery though.

Gracile and refined is the last thing that characterizes asians, generally speaking.

Look at that head size compared to the two white people in the photo. The asians are so robust and coarse it's shocking.

Huge, puffy, round heads without any kind of refinement to it. Sunken nose bridge, mongoloid eyes, flat faces and black, black and black hair and eyes. This girl is a good example of an ordinary girl. She actually has good teeth so it's better than normal, probably. The eyes are so malformed that her eye sight is probably impared in certain angles.

Typical teeth. They even invented a special word for crooked teeth since it is so commonly occurring;

Asian girls.

A bizzare attempt at Victorian style lolita clothes. They really have a thing for the pre-pubescent look.

More Asians for you sweety

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Nordic profile vs. asian profile

Do I have to say more?

Notice how prognathous are the asian faces

It's funny how those asian faces, when seen by a different angle without a photoshop edition, they loose all the "magic"

Funny how the haters there have to use pics of mentally challenged or deformed swedes to make the asian beauty stands out.

Barbarella:

"VC, what do you KNOW of my "narrow" perceptions of female beauty? Not a thing."

I should have said "relatively", but from what I've seen- which is a good deal- your perceptions are quite narrow. Here's exactly what I said:

"and your narrow, though not as extreme, perceptions of female beauty."

That's not saying your perceptions are all around "so narrow".

"You know that I defended a person being harrassed for expressing her views, PC or not, which I would have done for any one of you, by the way."

I haven't seen it a single time. You, the majority of the time, defend Emily, and defend many of the terrible things she says and try to twist them to others to present them as less monsterous and corrosive compared to what anyone with reading comprehension can easily see. If you're so sure of it, show me YOUR defense of other posters, and show me an appreciable amount of times you've done it.

"I have said, time and time again to you, Godis, and others, that I'm not Emily, and do not share each and every one of her views, but I do share some. I've stated that I've found beauty to be found in all races, ethnicities, etc. Would you like me to post up pictures of non-Nordic attractive women to ease yours and Godis' minds?"

Ok. You can stop clarifying it. I think we get it. I know I've called you a "clone" once before, and I was wrong, but, as you admit, you share some similarities to her, and considering how you seem to virtually never defend anyone else, well, what conclusions can someone make?

" Emily knows this too. She does not chastise me for having stated the opinions I have, has she? No,"

Yeah, she hasn't. I find that kind of weird.

"I've found that when you lay of name-calling, personal attacks and similar behaviors, it is a lot easier to have intelligent conversation."

Obviously, but that varies from person to person and site to site, doesn't it? Emily will STILL act and say incredibly bigoted and misanthropic things even when you lay off her. Perhaps she wouldn't have been as prone to breakdowns where she's just spamming how she thinks asians look like "genetic experiments gone wrong", but if she's so incredibly more refined, wouldn't she take the high-ground and not say sick crap like that?

"For all of the scientific knowledge you personally have, I call you a "pseudo" intellectual because you lack the ability to debate with any class."

ANY class? I'll admit I curse too often and have been prone to too much ad-hominems, but that only comes up when I see extreme viewpoints, like those FREQUENTLY expressed by Emily. I'm not alone. It's quite common for people to get deeply offended and angered at such things, and I'm nowhere near alone in this regard.

"Now, I'm sure you're about to balk at the fact that Emily has class, what with all her "horrible" stated opinions of other races,"

Get. Real. I am SO SICK of you trying to defend Emily's extreme behavior and viewpoints when she says things about so many non-nordics to the point where she acts as if many of them are barely even human or look like monstronsities the vast, majority of the time.

"but she is seemily very intelligent, without having to cite tons of articles."

....And having good, concise, varied citations makes you seem more intelligent.

"She does not use excessive slang and swearing, which I believe is a very low-rent way to "debate"."

True, but she does...

Not repeating the mountains of other trash she exhudes. You're almost like a broken record.

"I can't think of too many people who wouldn't give her that, even if they disagree with everything she says."

I agree.

"You seem obviously immature, otherwise you'd refrain from the foul debating tactics that you use, and then deem them "acceptable" because you're angry. To use your own words, get a goddamn grip!"

I never really deemed them acceptable, just understandable in face of her extremism. Emily likes to debate her tactics as "the truth", even though her behavior, even if what she says, by some hilariously unlikely margin, was "true", wouldn't warrant her behavior, especially when she, often, hasn't even really been attacked.

"Addressing your self-supiority in regards to your using articles as opposed to pictures. Well, if you can't see my point than let me explain again. Ever heard the expression, a picture states a thousand words? I believe, on this site, that's true."

Ever heard the idea that those words can vary? Kind of implicates with how, in spite of certain objective beauty standards... people still have their own standards. And biases.
"You can talk about nasal bridges and gonial angles and brow ridges, and myself, being admittedly less scientificly and more visually or literally inclined will base my opinions on what it is that I see first and what I read last. For some, it is more easily interpreted visually. That has nothing to do with anyone's intellect being inferior, it has to do with the fact that this site is about BEAUTY, beauty being something more readily interpreted through use of visual aids instead of written ones."

True to a large degree, but those anthropological studies, well... reflect an underlying reality around us. I could do with more photos- and yes, I've posted ALOT, in many of my previous discourses on other posts, and in this one, such as on things with eye color and how it seems overall jaw and mandible size has nothing to do with overall facial masculinity.

"That has nothing to do with anyone's intellect being inferior, it has to do with the fact that this site is about BEAUTY, beauty being something more readily interpreted through use of visual aids instead of written ones."

And yet, this site is heavily based around written ones. Which I admit is also faulty. Many of these terms Erik discusses are poorly shown even with the pictures he includes, and that's understandable, since many of these traits are hard to properly show and represent, considering how they focus on such specific anatomical traits that many people aren't particularly consciously aware of, or aren't even really aware of until they're properly detailed. Like I said, reading into this site and similar works has been profoundly informative to me.

However, for all of Erik's scientific background and knowledge of the literature, he obviously knows full well of how many of these anthropological studies on beauty require image manipulation and alteration, the use of photoshop, applying mathematical and geometric structures to the human body etc. Maybe he isn't particularly well versed in this area, but it would really, REALLY help. Many of these anthropometric models don't even require extensive knowledge or high-end software, but Erik's work shows a striking lack of it all.

But yes, I'll admit that, in certain regards, such as the whole thing with brow ridges, I haven't provided a good deal of visual evidence to support this. I'll address this though.

". As of May 2010, I'll have a bachelors in one of the literary arts. I obviously enjoy reading, even science, but I think that maybe, for all the scientific knowledge you have, you should show some photos to prove your points to those of us who aren't as scientificly minded."

I have.

"This is not unreasonable. If you know you're at a debate site where the vast mojority of commentators DO use photos, try doing that yourself. And try NOT to state that photos aren't concrete scientific evidence and when used, makes our arguments less valid."

I never said they wern't concrete evidence. It's just that many photos shown here, such as Emily spamming photos of swedish girls at bars or nightclubs or whatever are poor evidence, since they can easily be effected by things like the greatly variable lighting conditions of the clubs, and, as Erik has said, such random photos, many of them in a poor anthropological context, are very open to greatly variable personal interpretations. Sadly, the only thing Erik has called Emily out upon.

"That is foolish and once again, lacks maturity and is insulting."

How is that foolish, immature and insulting? It often IS weak evidence.

"And once again, I'll state that for all the evidence you have cited about Nordics being less feminine, I still believe that Nordics are very feminine based on what I SEE. Present a photo showing your point to those of us lay persons, VC."

I've got an idea. Since you've gotten so riled up about me claiming caucasoids, and by implication, nordics, have such larger brow ridges than africans and east asians, a universally masculine trait, compared all these photos of nordics and asians and the like and tell me what you see. Now, browridge ruggedness is going to be less prominent in a feminine person, but the size and protrusion will still be there.

Besides, you also haven't addressed this- if nordic women are so incredibly feminine, why aren't nordic men, by implication, more feminine? This is a very, very basic law of inheritance. Emily seems to understand this full well by calling asian men androgynous- which they are, on average- but seems to jump back and forth on whether or not she thinks asian women are feminine. Feminine men are often treated as less attractive.

What about a highly feminine, gracile woman? What kind of man would that take to produce?

And in a population where feminine women are the norm, based on simple laws of averages, they'd obviously be more prone to hyper-feminine, pubescent looking women. But even in uncommon populations where hyper-feminine women are the norm, highly feminine women would be more common than in a population of averages.

This is all really basic laws of heritability, again. This site details it extensively, too.

....And yes. I know many of the body types seen amongst east asians are too undeveloped looking, but this is a by product of having a feminine population, and this is also a highly variable, transient physical trait. It's of much less importance than cranio-facial structure. This is something I've hit home many times, that's been hit home before on this site, and it's something Emily refuses to accept.

"Bookworm, first of all, you state that Scandinavians are unattractive, and then state that they look like quasi-Asians, who are attractive. And furthermore, accusing Emily of being jealous of Asians is absurd. I don't see any jealousy there, I see you trying to use photos that are insufficient in making any points at all. And your facts? I'm not the expert, VC has more scientific background, but I'M willing to bet that Finns have NO WHERE near 25% Asian DNA. They appear to have risidual characteristics derived from some very distant Asian admixture, but to my knowledge, populations with this many blue-eyed blondes are not typically heavy on Asian DNA, at least not recent. Like VC does, cite your sources if you care to make such outrageous claims. So you don't like the looks of Scandinavians? It's ok to say that without making ridiculous accusations or posting outright lies."

Bookworm is probably parodying Emily's biases, but it's obviously along the lines of anti-white racism, in a rather contradictory fashion by saying nordics look "ugly" due to their central asian admixture, then... ugh, whatever.

Bookworm did cite sources, but poorly presented them. Yes, it's true that there is a small amount of central asian ancestry in northern europeans, and that it's considerably higher among Finns, Baltics, and Hungarians, but it's certainly not anywhere near 25%. The presence of this asian admixture is on the y-chromosomal line, and since this makes up only a fraction of one's genetic makeup- the others being mtDNA, inherited from the mother, and autosomal, inherited from both parents- would knock the average admixture down to about half of that, meaning finns have, on average, about 10% central asian admixture.

There are many finns, baltics, and hungarians, with asian affinities, such as relatively flattened facial profiles, more prominent than average epicanthic folds, and wider noses with more flattened bridges, (this being detailed on Erik's post under "chiseled nordic noses", but he noted how swedes of finnish extraction don't undergo rhinoplasty at any appreciable rate to indicate a reduction in their "ethnic features") but the admixture is far too low to account for such a frequency. It's probably due to the ancestors of the Finns living in arctic-like environments, similar to those of asians.

Plus, even if, by some fluke, in face of all the genetic evidence, finns and the like didn't have so much asian admixture, you'd still have all these relatively mongoloid traits, and especially with the Sami, who have a very high frequency of them.
Back to Emily on such a regard, how did Finns, so close to nordics, manage to attain all these deformed-looking features characteristic of asians?

"Godis, asking Violet Corpus for tips on debating tactics is typical: scathing character assassinations, vulgarity and tactless use of the English language...what can this person teach you? How to be more arrogant? More judgemental?"

I can admit some of my flaws. But thanks alot for focusing on the only negative aspects.

Godis:

No, it's alright. Emily, in spite of her terrible things she's said about non-nordics, doesn't devolve to cursing or major personal attacks, but this topic of innate beauty standards and its implication with ethnic traits is such a volatile topic. I've been heavily involved with what you could call the "nature-nurture" debate for quite some time, and this issue of aestethics is really only one of the last ones I'm vexed on. I've gone through so much crap, that I'm just prone to lashing out on this topic at times. Does that exscuse it? No, but I don't see why it's so unreasonable, especially, again, in regards to exremists like Emily.

I'm going to try to distance myself more from this site. It's like, a morbid fascination. I come back often to check up on Erik's writings because, damn it all, even though the man is pretty "off", he's extremely knowledge and presents alot of good ideas, and his writings have an extensive range of literature. It's good stuff to build upon. But then there's these comments sections. Like I said, it works as an intellectual exercise and to show a good avenue for a proper viewpoint. I'll be incorporating alot of this into some of my future work, when I get more involved with academia and college education.

Visitor:
Yes, I've gone by the name "ghfghfghf" before on this site. What's the problem with not choosing a proper identity? Only when I became more involved with this site did I do so.

"The god of anthropology with a predilection for Asian women? There couldn't possibly be two of you! Deranged little cunt? Misanthropic little shit? How original!! Great minds definitly DON'T think alike.
Meet Violet Corpus, your greatest fan!"

Yeah, I've never tried to pass myself as a "god of anthropology". Just because I find "attractive" asian women better looking than "attractive" white women doesn't necesarrily mean I, or others, have a "fetish" for them.

"It would appear that the only "fetishism" on this site is of the Asian nature."

Pure garbage. I haven't stated asians have some kind of unparalleled beauty beauty. I admit they have faults, such as high femininity accompanied by low testosterone can make a population prone to undeveloped bodies- albeit the objective attractive value of that is more variable, and of more debate than facial structure- along with them sometimes being prone to heavily flattened facial profiles, very doubtful a relativistic trait.

And to say that only asian fetishism goes on here? Uhhhhhh, yeah. Sure. Tell that to Emily assaulting non-nordics who don't fit her ridiculous ideals. Maybe I should use the term "nordic worship" instead.

"Watch Violet Corpus/ghfghfghf go predictably insane at the mention of East Asians being unattractive."

I admitedly act too vitriolic at times, but I don't act "insane". And I CERTAINLY don't go "insane" when someone simply says "hi, I don't think asians look attractive." What I find to be of contention is when someone tries to treat nordics as the paragons of beauty and says asians look deformed, like downs syndrome patients, like genetic experiments gone wrong etc. Besides, my comments on "Is it possible to objectively compare etc." was when I saw Emily at her most extreme, mouthing off explicetly white nationalist positions and saying non-nordics are only motivated by some callous urge to breed and improve their disgusting genes by breeding with nordics, how they hate the way they look etc. Obviously, it's typical for someone to just sit back and let that kind of bile pass by.

Man, I can't get enough of this kind of distortion.

And to address your other recent comment:

"No, Asian's do not improve the looks of whites. Rarely a racially mixed Asian/Caucasian will look attractive, but not usually. There is bookworm again, who has an Asian fetish, as well as ghfghfghf/Violet Corpus. The Swedish girl is accused of being a Nordic fetishist, but I think that Asian fetishism is far more rampant."

I haven't seen a single person saying "asians improve the looks of whites" here. To say another race will universally improve the looks of another is inane, since it seems to act as if most of the members of so-called "more attractive" race are super models. But there you go crying about "asian fetishism" and saying asian-white mixes rarely look attractive.

Uh huh. I often see people say mixed-race individuals look more attractive, but this is probably due to an effect of them looking supposedly more "exotic", wherein the uniqueness of their traits, under a certain degree of intrinsic beauty standards, will be enchanced, regardless of as to how they look beyond that.

People with burned off faces are "exotic" and "unique", but they're never interpreted as being attractive like so many multiracial people are.

Still, that effect wouldn't equate to your idea of eurasians "rarely" looking attractive. Maybe that's just your own perceptions or biases.

And at the end of all that, I'm called out on acting out more on the actual validity of my arguments, and then have those twisted (saying I have an "asian fetish"), defend the arguments of extremists like Emily, and then have my detractor go on with more nordic worship.

I really, really can't enough of this.

Barbarella, again:

"I think, VC, that while scientific articles are OF COURSE more of a sound source of evidence, prattling on and on and on and on...about browridges, for example, and maintaining that the Nordic female, based on "articles", has such masculine facial bone sructure is still going to be useless in the long run."

Again, I never said nordics have such "masculine bone structure". Just mainly in the brow area. I mean, they're certainly alot less masculine than typical black africans, aren't they? But they're considerable less feminine, in the FACIAL AREA, compared to east asians.

"You really must show this. Yes, I love my photos. As much as Godis and Emily and Erik and MANY others."

Compare the photos of all the asians Emily and others have posted and the like, and compare the brow structure. Please tell me what you see. It might not be too perceptible, but when you look at photo alterations and geometric arrangements going at this, you'll come to realize the underlying nature of so many of these traits. Like I said, this site has greatly broadened my perceptions of human population variance in facial structure.

I mean, why not a video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ICKFf2Vq8&feature=channel_page

This video sadly has some aspects of asian fetishism- saying "asians have no browridges" and the like- but it's still quite informative. Plus, it just leaves Jessica Alba looking rather eurasian.

And while one could bring up Jessica Alba being "hispanic", only her father was hispanic- her mother was white. Hispanics are typically amerind-white mixes, so they're bound to have more prominent brow ridges than east asians (albeit I don't know much of browridge prominence on amerinds), and then, you have to rememebr her mother was white.
Plus, note the comparison at :38, with that white girl and those 2 asian girls in profile view.

"Trying to be an asshole by condescending to us "idiots" who would like to see what the FUCK you're talking about is arrogance."

I've never really conescended to you. I've never called you an "idiot". I've just knocked on you for trying very poorly to discount anthropological studies. Maybe if you were clearer before like you are now, I wouldn't have knocked on you as much.
"Of all the personality traits of anyone's here that you've been so judgemental of, which is arrogance, you seem to be the most arrogant person posting here right now. You're knowledge of anthropology is impressive, but your patronizing those of us who are not "fluent" in a lot of the scientific terminology you use is insulting."
I've never patronized people for being non-fluent in the scientific terminology. Not once. Alot of the things Erik details, I don't get some myself. I've never seen anyone ask for me to explain what features I'm talking about, either. Have I been arrogant? At times, perhaps. But to say I'm the most arrogant person here? Yeah right.

"If you want to debate other scientists, than going to a more appropriate website to do that may be the solution to your obvious frustration at having to "show" in photos the points it is you're attempting to make here."

There's few sites like this.

"I am so sorry for my lack of intelligence and wasting your precious time. Please allow me to bow down to the genius that is Violet Corpus."

Stop trying to act like I've been so patronizing when the only time I've even come close to this is when you've criticized my sometimes overt use of scientific and anthropological research, in crude and poorly constructed manners. Like I said, if you criticized that in the way you're doing now, maybe you wouldn't feel like I've been patronizing.

"It also appears that the source of your rage, that being a personal attraction to Asian females and Emily's barrage of insults of them, is pretty base and immature."

No. No. No. No. No. Stop distorting me. Please. I've called Emily out plenty of times on her other attacks on non-nordics- really, I find it incredibly doubtful you haven't noticed this by now. I've taken strong contention at Emily trashing on slavs and romanians, and yet I don't find them particularly attractive myself. It just so happens that Emily focuses the majority of her attacks on asians.

"In a prior statement, I mistakenly misspelled "superiority". Please accept my humble apologies."

Didn't notice it, doesn't really matter. I notice I've mispelled pretty often myself.

Emily:
I'll only be responding to your more varied claims from now on, not your incredibly repetitive and dense ones.

"First of all. Less intelligent posters here spam this thread with photos of models and other people who have obvious white admixture."

True, and I don't take that approach.

"Also, they conveniently leave out the times I have said positive things about asians. As a group I find them terribly lacking in looks for the reasons I have stated. There are always exceptions and one girl I found pretty is this one, a Vietnamese girl, and I said so in one comment, and showed these photos."

And yet, I find this woman rather unattractive myself. Whoa. Looks like an asian woman who manages to fit the ideals of Emily isn't to my liking. She looks kind of masculine. (a masculine asian woman?!?)

"Now, asians do sometimes have impaired vision sincethe fold over their eyes limits vision somewhat, especially when the excessive skin increases and hangs over the eyes. That is one reason they sometimes need plastic surgery to correct this. It is self-evident that an open eye, not slits, without skin partially blocking eye sight will work better."

Proof of this. See, it depends on what parts of the eye the skin is blocking. If it's blocking the edges of the scelera, and other parts where the world is percieved, then, no, it's not going to impair vision. That's the case of asian eyes.

"We have no shortage of dentists here. lol We are not exactly a third world nation. We have less need for dentists here than the British, so that is the obvious reason we have fewer dentists. Your argument works against you, VC, but I guess you are not that intelligent."

I never said swedes have bad teeth, I just doubted they were as "wondeful" as you claim. If you have no shortage of dentists, explain why the chart I posted says you have fewer dentists than the british.

"A nation that has lots of dentists isn't necessarily a nation of people with strong teeth."

True, but many aspects of dental structure have little to do with genetics. Why can't this hold true for east asians? Oh, right, you refuse to admit the impermeability of many physical features. Please tell me why the british, who are white, obviously, have such worse teeth than the swedes.

"I for one, have never in my life had even one cavity, and I have zero fillings. I have perfect teeth, as do all the people in my family and my friends, so we don't need dentist service."

And that's just you. That doesn't apply nationwide.

"As for visoon, what kind of eyes do you think have superior function? Eyelid surgery is extremely common among asians and I don't think it is only for cosmetic reasons."

I wonder why I, in my entire life, in regards to eyelid surgery, I've never once heard an asian claim they can see better after the surgery.

Your pictures don't tell me much. The first girl is grinning abit. That's... well, known to make your eyes look squntier. Regardless, the areas of the eyes that percieve light and the like aren't obscured by their epicanthic folds. I mean, since I'm white, I can just move my eye muscles or use my hands to move my eyes to make my eyelids more like that of an asian, and the only reason my vision is obscured in the least is because my eye lashes are brought down. Not because of the structure of the eyelids.

The second picture is too distant.

The first swedish girl is closer, but she's not grinning.

In the second pic, it's an extreme closeup, and the girl on the left... why, she's grinning. And it's making her eyes squint more.

Wonderful picture evidence again.

The last few comments is another troll spamming pictures. And then Emily repeating her routine again.

Will someone rush to her defense?

VC;

"Emily seems to understand this full well by calling asian men androgynous- which they are, on average- but seems to jump back and forth on whether or not she thinks asian women are feminine."

What a blatant lie. Yes, I call you a liar because no one who has read what I write here - and you clearly have - can be unaware of the fact that I think asian women are unfeminine due to their lack of a developed, curvy and adult feminine body. I have said so repeatedly, many times, and shown photos that explain what I mean.

Asians are generally androgynous, and the men are unmasculine and the women unfeminine. I hope this clears it up in case it was a misunderstanding.

There will be exceptions, as I said, but generally speaking asians are too underdeveloped to be called either masculine or feminine. They are like perpetual adolescents with large heads.

As to my photos of Swedes I can understand why they bug you. They are the very reason for this entry that Erik wrote.

They are part of a race that is the most appealing and most evolved, the Nordic race. Those things go hand in hand. Deformed eyes and undeveloped bodies can never be considered evolved. That is why asians try to look less mongoloid and more white. You will deny it, and still you will know it is the truth, and hate me for stating it, instead of blaming evolution.

Since this site is so unbelievably emotionally draining, I'm just going to interject one last thing for a long time.

I've been seriously starting to doubt the idea of some ethnic groups being more genetically dominant over others recently, in face of this very intriguing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7DfLZAMAkE&feature=channel_page

VC;
"Emily will STILL act and say incredibly bigoted and misanthropic things even when you lay off her."

It's funny...it's always those who show a blatant lack of tolerance for the taste and opinions of others who accuse others of being bigots. Hilarious.

You are the bigot for not accepting that not everyone shares your taste and perception of beauty (me and Barberella, for example). You are nothing but a name calling troll who pretends to actually have something to say.

You even attack the site owner in a most vicious way, and anyone who happens to disagree with you, or who has negative opinions on the ones you find attractive.

I am sick of trolls who think they can insult and gang up on people in order to make them conform. That kind of nasty tactic doesn't work with me.

Emily : You can use the civilized language to debate rather than using the ebonic language don't you? I sure most of your arguments iritate many people of the other races. the way you using a harshfull sentences to describe people doesn't sounded mature or superior at all in my opinion. - you can admire what you like...at least not by putting the others down, in order to get yourself high. What iS the point of putting down others? do you have low self-esteem? I don't know what's reason makes you dislike the non-white so much but I'd tone it down if I were you.

"You even attack the site owner in a most vicious way, and anyone who happens to disagree with you, or who has negative opinions on the ones you find attractive. "

Wait Emily are you talking about V.C. or yourself? Because last time I checked you were the one that attacked anyone "who happens to disagree with you, or who has negative opinions on the ones you find attractive..."

I mean we are all hippocrites sometimes. It's only human, but seriously you are the most hippocritical person at times.

"I am sick of trolls who think they can insult and gang up on people in order to make them conform. That kind of nasty tactic doesn't work with me."

You have ganged up on people too. Don't act like you haven't. And don't act like you haven't ever personally attacked anyone either. This is the "hooked nose, broad round faced, brown eyed brown haired ugly Romanian girl talking." Remember?

Bookworm did cite sources, but poorly presented them. Yes, it's true that there is a small amount of central asian ancestry in northern europeans, and that it's considerably higher among Finns, Baltics, and Hungarians, but it's certainly not anywhere near 25%. The presence of this asian admixture is on the y-chromosomal line, and since this makes up only a fraction of one's genetic makeup- the others being mtDNA, inherited from the mother, and autosomal, inherited from both parents- would knock the average admixture down to about half of that, meaning finns have, on average, about 10% central asian admixture.

There are many finns, baltics, and hungarians, with asian affinities, such as relatively flattened facial profiles, more prominent than average epicanthic folds, and wider noses with more flattened bridges, (this being detailed on Erik's post under "chiseled nordic noses", but he noted how swedes of finnish extraction don't undergo rhinoplasty at any appreciable rate to indicate a reduction in their "ethnic features") but the admixture is far too low to account for such a frequency. It's probably due to the ancestors of the Finns living in arctic-like environments, similar to those of asians.

However, finns, all the baltic people and hungarians are neither nordic nor germanic.

Actually, the pseudo mongoloid traits which a few scandinavians present are due to admixture with lapps which are neither nordic nor germanic as well

Anyway, in regard to mongoloid admixture being more largely present in nordics than in southern europeans, I beg to differ. Southern europeans possess most of the TRUE mongoloid admixture. Most of the mongoloid invasions were concentrated in Central Europe. Frenchs and Italians have more mongoloid admixture than scandinavians.

Bookworm did cite sources, but poorly presented them. Yes, it's true that there is a small amount of central asian ancestry in northern europeans, and that it's considerably higher among Finns, Baltics, and Hungarians, but it's certainly not anywhere near 25%. The presence of this asian admixture is on the y-chromosomal line, and since this makes up only a fraction of one's genetic makeup- the others being mtDNA, inherited from the mother, and autosomal, inherited from both parents- would knock the average admixture down to about half of that, meaning finns have, on average, about 10% central asian admixture.

There are many finns, baltics, and hungarians, with asian affinities, such as relatively flattened facial profiles, more prominent than average epicanthic folds, and wider noses with more flattened bridges, (this being detailed on Erik's post under "chiseled nordic noses", but he noted how swedes of finnish extraction don't undergo rhinoplasty at any appreciable rate to indicate a reduction in their "ethnic features") but the admixture is far too low to account for such a frequency. It's probably due to the ancestors of the Finns living in arctic-like environments, similar to those of asians.

However, finns, all the baltic people and hungarians are neither nordic nor germanic.

Actually, the pseudo mongoloid traits which a few scandinavians present are due to admixture with lapps which are neither nordic nor germanic as well

Anyway, in regard to mongoloid admixture being more largely present in nordics than in southern europeans, I beg to differ. Southern europeans possess most of the TRUE mongoloid admixture. Most of the mongoloid invasions were concentrated in Central Europe. Frenchs and Italians have more mongoloid admixture than scandinavians.

notice the plastic surgery on her nose

The "regular" japanese girl:

"no" photoshop retouch, no eye or nose surgery. And her skin also emits white light lol

Also notice how the hair of this girl was done to look thin in opposition to the coarse hair which japanese people have.
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Also notice how the hair of this girl was done to look thin in opposition to the coarse hair which japanese people have.

The alcoholic or down syndrome parade?

Godis, do you have an email I can converse with? I have my own reservations about posting personal information, and if you do, just set up an alternate one. I could set one up myself.

to VC. according to saami culture site.

While the Finns speak Finnish and the Sámi speak many different languages among themselves, all of these variants of human speech belong to the Finno-Ugric or Uralic language group. It is thought that at one point in time that this group may have ranged as far as northern Germany up through Scandinavia.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/sami/dieda/hist/genetic.htm

The site aboved has stated clearly the land of saami ( the caucasoid with asiatic admixture) covering from the germany up to scandinavia. so my question is going to be "does it deserve for this site which always proclaim the caucasoid women as the superior and feminine, promote a pictures of the women who of asiatic admixture?" -I know many of women in the attractive women section of this site. are either Russians, Baltics, Finns and Scandinavians. and what is the point to put down the women fully caucasoid like Gisale Brunchen, Kate Moss and Heidi Klum as masculine because of the caucasoid traits. for example. being very tall, big nasal and the deep set eyes etc. this site has got conflict in itself.

take a look at this pic. this girl has got japanese father and caucasian mom.
she looks a delicate nordic girl rather than the large bone neandertal gisele brunchen.

Imageto VC. according to saami culture site.

asians have got various hair textures. some in the northern can have thick hair while some in the western can have refine hair. for example tibet, Uyghur, Burmese, west chinese have got refine hair. the filipino and indonesian with austronesian influence got the most coarse hair.

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look at this on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49f_kOCA050

People who follow what you write, godis, your way of constantly attacking other posters, know what you are. I like to stick to the topics, that's not a secrect. You love to insult and attack and smear posters here, then afterwards you want to appear all innocent and fake remorse. You are the phoniest person I have ever come across in my life. You criticise me you little hypocrite, and yet you were the one talking about pig skin on whites.

There is NO ONE on earth that has the right or mandate to dictate what I can and cannot say about the looks of asians or anybody else. That is the topic of this entry - looks and the evolution of races and how it relates to our perception of beauty - and try to stick to it instead of trying to silencing those with a different opinion than yours.

Tokyo "fashion";

Note the greenish-yellowish skin tone. Their white skin tone is not the same as the one on whites. It is much more greenish-yellowish and darker.

Gracile and refined? Hardly. Those are the exceptions..after surgery.

Gracile and refined? Compare the head shape and size to the two whites in the photo and you tell me.

Yes, it is comical the way asians always use photos with fake lighting, retouching, plastic-surgery altered models and try to make them seem as little mongoloid as possible because they cannot stand their own looks. They need the fakeness of those photos because the real asians aren't good enough for the asians.

The irony of all their plastic surgery is that they actually make sexual selection impossible. So many of them have plastic surgery.

But when they do, they will become another physical person, so a mate will choose her because of a fake physical appearance. His children with her can look just as mongoloid as her natural self. Asians who have had plastic surgery will fool their mate into thinking they have selected someone with more European features than they actually possess.

This is true also for blacks and Indians, who bleach their skin and have rhinoplasty, for example. In order for nature to make its sexual selection you cannot have a vast amount of the population altering its appearance like in Asia.

Asians and blacks make their physical racial problems permanent by fooling their mates. Bad for evolution.

Plastic surgery Korea:

"As if there wasn’t enough plastic surgery in Korea already, the Government has just made it tax deductible. According to the Chosun:

The costs of plastic surgery, cosmetic tooth reshaping, corrective laser eye surgery, and “boyak”, or traditional Korean health supplements, will be eligible for income deductions in the year-end tax adjustment from this year.
Maybe this is all a cynical vote-winning ploy.

A recent survey found that out of a sample of 810 young women in Seoul and Gyeonggi, 61.5% had had plastic surgery. With so many people going under the knife, will a little tax sweetener make them feel more favourably inclined to the government?"

Almost 62 % of young women in Seoul have had plastic surgery! Talk about one massive lie. lol

Asians have such naturally bad and crooked teeth that they invented a word for it. Even celebrities cannot always bother with braces. Their teeth sometimes have an almost animalistic look to them.

You think these are the genes she will pass on to her children?

Think again.............

You think these masculine chiseled features are the genes he will pass on to his children?

Think again.............

The truth is not so flattering.

This is why asians are not feminine - unless you like pubescent or pre-pubescent girls.

Most of asians are in fact androgynous. There is little difference between the genders compared to other races;

whom say blonde hair and blue eyes going to be vanished because of the non-white people is completely inaccurate....many blue eyes and blonde hair born everydays in central asia. just take a look at the pics of these asian women with blue eyes? they look so pretty, exotic and natural without the cosmetic and materialistic stuffs like us. I still believe the ancestors of the nordic people long time ago were look like them.

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emily : I agree with you at some point. accodring to the recent survey found that out of a sample of 810 young women in Seoul and Gyeonggi, 61.5% had had plastic surgery. some friend of my mom visited korea and she told my mom that korean women are very pretty. all in all, Same reason all cultures do. white women love botox and boobs. Colombian girls do the boobs. the Iranians do the nose job in order to make themselves fit to the their aryan pride. The people that do this do it to look better and help self esteem. I posted those pictures in order to let you and some people see something opposite. it is not always the norm asian people have got epicanthic folds and flat nose. I only wanted to show you asians come in various looks.... remember one thing, "Asian" is just a geographical label....anyone who lives within the continent of Asia is considered "Asian". alone only the country china, there composed of 56 official ethnic groups and over 400 minority groups haven't yet registered to the government...so don't say they only have got only one hair color.

Wow VC, I know this might not mean much, but I am impressed! You really shut Emily down! You have also shown me some things too, and that vid you posted, both of them actually were very informative.

You know you've won an argument when people say its too scientific! I mean, you have really good points and it is really encouraging to see someone who is not a white-nationalist that doesn't worship Emily.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that nordic women aren't beautiful and that African women are the most feminine and gorgeous women on the planet, it is just nice to see someone who is balanced and not trashing other people. I myself think that asian women are very beautiful (I even think asian guys are pretty attractive), and it was really just annoying to hear Emily comparing billions of people to people with down's syndrome.

I applaud you for your tactics, because even though you were harsh on Emily, she deserves it. She was harsh on tons of people, without any evidence to her claims. Again, kudos for shutting her down, and using evidence to support your claims, not lame, biased photographs!

One more thing VC, don't be a stranger, we need more ppl like you to shut down Emily because she will always be here bashing people and spreading her anti-non-nordic garbage, making people feel ugly or worthless or unattractive and try and pass it off as being "truthful" and "non-PC".

For the first time in being on these comment sections, I feel like I learned something, and your comments have been truly helpful.

Thanks and kudos!

One more thing VC, thanks for referencing Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, it is a really good book and shows clearly that good teeth is more of an environmental kind of thing rather than genetic. I mean some of the pics are just astounding how in one generation, beautiful teeth become awful in the next generation!

LOL this girl below doesn't look nordic. She looks like a eastern russian.

Bookworm wrote

asians have got various hair textures. some in the northern can have thick hair while some in the western can have refine hair. for example tibet, Uyghur, Burmese, west chinese have got refine hair. the filipino and indonesian with austronesian influence got the most coarse hair.

Guy, you are the ONLY person in this world who isn't aware of the fact that central asians are mixed with caucasoids. Stop saying that mongoloid people have blond hair or blue eyes, because they don't.

Uyghur are not fully asiatic, neither are burmese nor some west chinese. It's a fact that EVERYBODY knows but you. They are mixed with slavs and other caucasoid groups from the past.

And how many times we must school you about the fact that SAAMI and FINNS are NOT nordic. So I also have to ask you to stop posting pictures of saami and finns and presenting them as nordics.

Furthermore, most of the uyghur, burmese and west chinese have either black hair and black eyes. Light traits only makes up a tiny minority. Stop looking at national geographic photos.

Halt posting pictures of ugly people and japanese models full of plastic surgery.

You're fighting for a cause which only makes sense to you. It's funny that you only pick on swedes. LOL

emily : I agree with you at some point. accodring to the recent survey found that out of a sample of 810 young women in Seoul and Gyeonggi, 61.5% had had plastic surgery. some friend of my mom visited korea and she told my mom that korean women are very pretty. all in all, Same reason all cultures do. white women love botox and boobs. Colombian girls do the boobs. the Iranians do the nose job in order to make themselves fit to the their aryan pride. The people that do this do it to look better and help self esteem. I posted those pictures in order to let you and some people see something opposite. it is not always the norm asian people have got epicanthic folds and flat nose. I only wanted to show you asians come in various looks.... remember one thing, "Asian" is just a geographical label....anyone who lives within the continent of Asia is considered "Asian". alone only the country china, there composed of 56 official ethnic groups and over 400 minority groups haven't yet registered to the government...so don't say they only have got only one hair color.

Bookworm wrote:

white women love botox and boobs

as if women other than white didn't love botox

the Iranians do the nose job in order to make themselves fit to the their aryan pride.

It's the most ridiculous justification ever. No, they do this to approach the look of NORDIC and general european people. Arabs also have the same inferiority complex.

there composed of 56 official ethnic groups and over 400 minority groups haven't yet registered to the government...so don't say they only have got only one hair color.

As long as they are not mixed with caucasoid, they only have one single hair color and hair texture: black and coarse.

The people that do this do it to look better and help self esteem. I posted those pictures in order to let you and some people see something opposite.

So, asians are a low self esteam people according to you. why not make a plastic surgery to look even coarser or flatter? lol Their plastic surgery always lies to fit an european mean.

No offense, but she resembles a white person suffering from alcoholic syndrome.

No way asiatic admixture is an improvement.

Emily (other one), I doubt that Emily is shut down, really, do you see that?

bookworm, you are using atypical Asians to make your points. There are very few Asians that actually look like the pictures you post. Your living in a fantasy world. What you're doing is lying, basicly. Your stories change and have far too many consistancies. Not all white women have botox and boobs, fool. These are the types of things said here that makes me question your intelligence. For all the Asian "fetishists" here, I can only hope you someday find a site that's more in line with your tastes. Name calling isn't going to change peoples minds. Nor are showing dishonest, non-representative pictures of a small minority of an ehtnic group. People generally have their preferences, showing photoshopped photos of unattractive Swedes will not make me say "OH, my GOD what have I been thinking all this time? Look at these hideous people! Good thing for bookworms pictures and VC's articles to help me see the light!" Um, no. Yes, this is a debate site and we are most certainly allowed to disagree, but no one's going to persuade me to rethink a point of view when people are deliberately misleading because they don't like something Emily says.

Finally, I apologize for the "rant" I posted (under Visitor). I had just about had it with this site, and vented.

VC, if you come back, I do have a question or two. First of all, I want to reiterate that I don't refute scientific data, I was merely asking you to show pictures of examples of the browridges you spoke of. By a less prominant browridge, I'm interpreting that as a neotonous trait (?). I understand that neotony is a correlate of femininity, but can it really stand alone when assessing the face overall? I understand that you claimed that Nordics had a more prominant browridge, but it is my understanding that the other, more refined traits of the Nordic face is more feminine overall. I was interested in seeing an example of this. That is why I asked for photos, not to replace your data, but to support it. Yes, I read your response to me, and I think if the foul language and name-calling wasn't present in your previous posts, I might read them in their entirety. Not that I don't swear! It's just that it was so excessive and to be totally honest without being insulting, I took you and your comments less seriously because of it.

I do still have my preferences in terms of what I find beautiful. I'll read your articles but I'm not sure I'd change my mind. I know what is inherently attractive to ME.

About my narrow perception of beauty: if you and I shared the same opinion of what is beautiful, and what's not, would it still be narrow to you? Is it only narrow because it's a perception that's not in agreement with yours? I think there are attractive Asians, Blacks, Southern and Eastern Europeans as well. It's just that of those groups, I find FEWER, not NONE, in terms of where I find the most frequently attractive people. That does not make me a bad person in the slightest. I'd read that you prefer the looks of East Asians, and that is your preference. I have not personally said a thing about what you, or anyone else deems attractive. I've stood beside Emily when people began bashing Northern Europeans. On one or two occasions, I stated my opinions of certain individuals that I felt were unattractive. I disagree that that's a narrow perception of beauty.

To reiterate a few more things, the previous comment I posted where I said "on a few occasions" or "one or two times", in reference to stating my opinions of the looks of some people, I've said things out of anger and frustration here, possibly offending some without that intention. I am proud of the looks, ethics, accomplishments and values of my direct European ancestry. I've felt insulted and attacked for stating that while on this site. I said things in response to that that I've reread and believe I could have said some things differently. It's not my wish to insult anyone, cause anyone to feel less than for any reason. I was thrilled to find a site like this, one that exalts feminine beauty, as well as Northern European beauty. This site in general, as well as the site admin, has been compared to proting Nazism for doing so. How sad is this? I will never apologize for stating my admiration and appreciation in the beauty of Nordics, including Scandinavians as well as Teutonic and Keltic beauty as well. I won't apologize for agreeing with Emily on this point either, or supporting her as she spoke of the attributes of hers and my heritage. I tried to keep the focus of my comments on what it was I found positive, and why, instead of what I found negative and why. If that wasn't always accomplished that wasn't my intention.

I don't believe I have to point out the flaws of others in order to emphasize the beauty I appreciate. Whether anyone agrees or not, I don't regret standing beside Emily when she and I discussed the beauty of N. Europeans.

I'm going to be pretty busy with school as well as a trip to Hawaii that I'm quite looking forward to. I'll be back sometime, soon. One final thought until I return: I think beauty is secure enough to stand it's own.

Emily what's the name of the Vietnamese girl you posted? she's pretty.

Barberella,

I like your comments which I have followed in this thread. And I agree with the way you debate the issue. Good to see that you hold your own in an uncompromising manner. I agree with you about Northern Europeans being most attractive. The average Asian, be it the mongloids or the Indians who are a mixture of every race I guess, is not as attractive as the average Nordic. Pictures can be sometimes deceptive, as its pointed out already so many times, as they can be made to look good or bad. Anyone who has travelled in both the continents (Asia and Europe) will know what the average type look like. As you say, there are attractive Asians too. But far fewer than the attractive North Europeans. There has been a lot of scienctic data and fact discussed in this site and its very fascinating. From the point of view of beauty in the eyes of a common person, the definition of Kant can be help. He says, "beauty is balance and structure as if arranged by intelligence." It is easy to observe that the nordic races have the best balance and structure. They are aesthetically most complete among all humans. And humans instinctively recognize this and what we call 'beauty'. People do not need scientific data to ascertain what is beautiful. And it is a fact that people in Asia consider the north European look (though they may not know it as that) as beautiful and they gravitate towards it. But when directly questioned people tend to take an opposite view from their own beliefs merely for the sake of argumentation. And if the person's ego gets involved he/she would stick to the erroneous argument. So its difficult for people to agree whether what they consider as their 'own' could be lower in the order of physical beauty.

You argue with dignity and self-respect.

My children were watching a show that airs here in Canada. It's about two children who travel around the world and go to various famous locations in countries. I can't say exactly where they were in Sweden, I didn't catch that part but let me say I find it hard to believe that all of these women are walking around with platinum blonde hair without bleaching it. Both my husband and I were watching the background in the show, to see if that were true and let me tell you, the average hair colour was a lighht brown, the same colour that all other blonde haired children seem to get as they age. There were a few blonde women but the majority was light brown. I think a lot of these so called naturally blonde swedes dye their hair to fit the sterotype that in my opinion was brainwashed into people by nazis and such. Yes, blonde hair looks lovely however it isn't the only beautiful colour. Lets get real people. Anyone who is pushing such views on us, that swedes are the most beautiful is ignorant. As far as Swedes being more feminine, I don't know. I went to school with one Swedish girl that I was friends with, and she did have blonde eyebrows however she had to lighten her hair to stay blonde. It had darken just like the rest of us through her youth. Hey eyes were an amazing light blue-green, but I didn't see guys go after het as much some people are pushing us to believe. Not to say that guys didn't find her attractive, they did, but for as rare as this blonde hair, light eyes person is to find in the world (especially in Toronto, she stuck out downtown), and for how it is appearantly the most attractive to men, she was never approached or anything. Her friend from Romania in fact was the girl that men were chasing down. My Swedish friend was jealous of this girl. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps this woman on this website who pushes that Swedish women are the ideal beauty is afraid or jealous? Anyone who has to push their point so much is trying to change your beliefs into their own. If she were confident in what she believes, would she be here wasting time discussing it? Of course not.

I have a friend who I dont believe to be Swedish, however she had blonde, like platinum blonde hair as a child. Once it began changing to a darker shade, she started lightening it and has doner this for over 10 years now. People don't even know it's not her natural haircolour, except her friends from early in life. Perhaps all of these so called platinum blonde Swedes walking around Sweden have done the same. How can anyone look at a picture and say yes this persons hair colour is natural from eye colour and eyebrow colour alone? We can lighten our eyebrows just as easily as lightening the colour on our head. I can give you countless examples of women in my family, and men in my family who had blonde hair as children, and it went a darker colour as they aged. The majority of the women choose to keep their hair a blonde from that point on.

And yes, I am a very very attractive dark brown haired caucasian woman. I am on the extreme side of feminity. And no I am not jealous of blonde hair. Men pursuit women with a certain figure and a nice face. I highly doubt that blonde makes you more attractive, all it gets is a few more head turns. And just because a man looks in your direction, doesn't mean he finds you attractive. Men don't turn to look at me because I have brown hair or blonde hair, men STARE at me because of my figure and from what I am told countlessly, my gorgeous face. I get dirty glares from women even. I wonder why that is, considering I am not this blonde haired perfection :)

I also want to touch on body types. Men are attracted to women who have a small waist. The smaller her waist, the more attractive her body appears. Men are probably attracted to these supermodels and such when looking at pictures because realitve to their shoulder width, their waists look tiny, and men can't see past the fake photoshop and posing. In real life, men would not be attracted to them. And I say men, not boys. Boys might be, not because they truly are, but because in our youth we strive to fit in with our peers, and if that is what is being pushed on the younger people, than these boys are going to go along with the flow and pretend it is what they find attractive to fit in. When I was swimming with my family in the summer, I was with two toher mothers. One with an average feminine body type (although chubby from having babies) and the other was the model type. Broad shoulders and narrow hips. Her waist did appear small relative to her shoulders but not to her hips. Anyways, men did not look at all at the supermodel type woman. Men however, were gawking over myself and the average feminine mom swimming. And I bet if the supermodel woman had blonde hair, men would of looked, not out of attraction, but because they associate blonde hair with fakeness. Something that men in their youth seem to chase after because it is pushed on them through media.

If we were living without television, internet, all of thes ways to communicate around the world, would men still be pursuing blonde hair? I highly doubt it, because more than anything else, men like women who look healthy. Healthy shiny hair of any colour, a small waist and hips that can carry a child. This archetype blonde haired blue eyed woman if you want to call it that, is being brainwashed into people. Girls don't dye their hair blonde because they are jealous of Swedish women or even threatened by them, girls feel like they have to do it to be attractive in the eyes of a BOY (not a man.) Media brainwashes males just as much as they brainwash females. People really need to wake up. You are basically calling Gods creation ugly. God created brown eyes, brown hair all of these colours because they are beautiful and they serve a purpose. Dark hair keeps people HEALTHY in the south, and light hair keeps people HEALTHY in the north. And I don't believe in any religion, if anyone wonders. I believe in spirituality and a divine presense, not what we are pushed to belive (religion) through the media and institutions.

Nicky,

Perfection does not come from color of hair, eyes or skin but from structural perfection and aesthetics. Dark color eyes, dark hair and dark skin can be extremely attractive if the body and face are aesthetic, structured and balanced. In the same way, a blonde haired woman with blue eyes and white skin can be unattractive if her face and body do not have balance and structure. Moreover, health and strength are 'attraction'. Attraction to the opposite sex is based upon how good an offspring from the union with that 'body' will be. Nature presents to us as 'attractive' whoever is good for the propogation and progression of its species. This attraction is presented to us 'instinctively'. What we call instinct is nothing but nature's design for its own good. In the north European regions the number of people on an average with a balanced body and structure - otherwise physical attraction - are more. This does not mean that only blonde people are attractive nor does it mean that others are not attractive. The caucasian race are by far much more attractive than other races. There could be women with different colors of hair and eyes within this race. What matters most is the balance and structure of the face & body and general health in a woman (these can be made more attractive with charm that comes from intelligence and goodness). And in men, in addition to physical balance and strength, a good character and qualities of will such as courage, truthfulness, compassion and kindness present themselves to women as being attractive.

If you get stares from men and get dirty looks from women, it is most certainly because you are gifted with beauty and are good for nature. The more beneficial you are for nature's progress the more attraction you exude. Nature being amoral, it does not recognize the fact that you have children and a husband and it continues to present you to other men as desirable. Everything about you becomes attractive to the man. Its another matter that humans by virtue of thier minds have created moral limits and therefore most often refrain from acting upon their instincts. Nature does not recognize blonde as the only attractive option. In fact nature only recognizes that which is good for its progress.

You, being a beautiful woman, are good for nature. Or you, being good for nature, are beautiful. Either way, its a happy fact. Congratulations!

Mango,

I understand what you are saying, however I don't really find it relates to what I was speaking of. I didn't argue that northern europeans are or aren't more structurally appealing or any such thing, I was arguing that blonde hair and light eyes isn't this beauty ideal that is pushed on us. It just happens that northern europeans have a higher percentage of people who have a more refined facial structure, along with what comes natural to them in the north, lighter shades of eyes and hair. But to say that dark ahir and dark eyes can't be attractive is ridiculous. Itis very obvious to me that the more refined your features are, the more attractive you are. That is why celebrities and the like have nose jobs and all of that. Balance in the structure of the human body is what is attractive, as well as health. And I don't think that refined features are european, they are lets say, good gentics and perhaps evolution of the human species that is unfolding. So when people on this site are calling indian women or other races with refined features european looking, it's ignorant. It's not european or northern european, it is evolution of their own race.

And even to say that northern europeans have the most physically attractive bodytype doesn't seem right. The women on average might be more feminine, but with that they are still only average in feminity. Who's to say that evolution isn\t going to change into a more extreme form of feminity, and a more extreme form of masculinity. I have a 13 inch difference between my waist and hips, and my bum sticks out past my upper body. And it isn't because I havre more fat or muscle sitting there, it's because of the way my hip bones have been formed. My bone archs out in the back. And because of this, my 5'1, small boned frame could carry an 8lb baby as well as a 8 lb 4 oz baby with no problem. It was said somewhere on this site that wider hips are more for physical attraction, I don't believe this to be true. Because of the bone curving out in the back, my children had more space inside my body to grow, and my belly didn't protrude as much as women with narrower hips. I didn't have back problems or anything else that they had. And here I see women bashing people with the same body type. Why is it? Because of jealousy? because it is a sign of evolution? Swedish women have an average body type, the same average body type that is shared with lots of other races. Maxim is ful of lots of women from all over the world, with this exact same average feminine body type. So really, the only thing that can possibly rank Swedish people alittler higher than other races is that on average, they have more refined features. WHICH doesn't make other races with similar facial features european, just farther than the rest of their race in evolution (if you want to look at it as the human race evolving anyways.)

Jealous of something I find deeply unattractive? Jealousy is a destructive emotion that I think non-whites experience when they see beautiful Nordics, rather.

The reason I put the record straight on asians here is that the reality differs enormously from the fake image asians like to promote of themselves.

There is simply no correlation between asian-promoted fiction and the reality regarding asian looks.

There will be attractive asians, no one says there are not, and they will be less mongoloid in appearance and therefore less coarse and more refined, and more like the white Nordic standard of beauty.

The more typically asian they look the less attractive they will be even to ASIANS themselves.

62 % of young Korean women in Seoul have had plastic surgery. That is a staggering figure, and it reveals the deep dissatisfaction they feel about their looks. However, faking it with plastic surgery and fooling your partner won't solve the problem of the mongoloid looks for the next generation. It will instead make the problem permanent.

You are wrong about Swedes. There are many naturally blonde Scandinavians and Swedes. It is my country and people so I ought to know, and I am one of them, actually ;) Quite frankly, you do sound like a jealous brunette, and making a point of denying that only makes it the more obvious, I think.

Carolina Kluft is one, for example;

By the way, that utter nonsense about the browridge, what's that about? lol. White women usually don't have protruding browridges unless they are masculine like Brooke Shields, for example. Look at Carolina, a top athlete and therefore rather masculine in type. Normal browridge.

Asians, on the other hand, have a real problem with low and slanting/sloping foreheads, which look less evolved and less feminine.

Asians;

Swedish girls;

Those who have rather low foreheads usually still have good proportions.

Hm, hairy arms on an asian woman. Aren't they supposed to be so hairless?

The mongoloid race has uncanny similarities to Down syndrome patients. I actually believe there is some kind of common gene that accounts for the mongoloid look in asians and in Down syndrome patients.

They are just too similar not to be related physically. I don't mean to sound mean, but what other explanation for the similarities can there be? They both have arrested development so it seems logical, I think.

Sorry, I don't find this attractive at all;

I prefer these in terms of looks. Swedish girls;

The only one attractive here below is the one on the far left. The asian girl with the fair skin has had skin bleaching (very popular among asians) and many plastic surgery operations. It is obvious that asians are less evolved as a race, I think. They just are coarser and less gracile and refined, on average.

The name of the Vietnamese girl I posted photos of is Do Thi Hai Yen, to whoever was asking.

Emily, you are a foul person! I know when you read this, your gonna start pissing your pants, whining that "non-nordics" are ganging up on you but seriously, you have issues. I am seriously starting to think YOU have down's syndrome! You are delusional and an impossible person! You were totally shut down by VC (hate to break it to you Barbella, but Emily got OWNED! VC 3, Emily 0), and you come back posting this weak shit of swedish girls in a bar. You respond to scientific claims with weak biased photos and NO evidence to back you up, you are pathetic. Word to the wise, BACK YOUR SHIT UP! Stop running your mouth, flapping your jaws and banging your keyboard and saying mindless shit like this. You are a smart girl, and you write well, so why the hell wont you back your shit up! Prove that asians and downs syndrome patients are similar!

And no, I will not apologize for what was said above, because I am not a horrible person for calling you out on your shit! Who cares if VC, or me (right now), are using swear words in our posts and you don't! Just because you don't swear in your posts doesn't make them any less inflammatory. In fact, even though VC swore, he came off as being a lot more intelligent than you! You are truly delusional and a disgusting human being. I don't wish harm on you in any way, I would just love for you to open your eyes and your heart, and stop being such a damn bitch!

Your boyfriend must of left you for an asian girl, or a non-nordic girl, or something, because you are just ridiculously mean towards members of the Asian race. And just because you say some "nice things" about Asians once doesn't erase all the bullshit you say afterwards!

I think I am on to something thought... You are probably so harsh toward people who are non-nordic because you boyfriend left you for a non-nordic girl, so in a sense you are jealous. I think I will run with this for the next few posts. See emily, you aren't the only one who can come up with BASELESS SHIT! Am I angry, yes!--it sickens me that there are people like you in the world, so hateful and mean.

And Barbella, before you get all upset, saying that I am infringing upon Emily's right to speak her mind or whatever (which is really laughable), please read this very carefully: I Do Not Care that you and Emily prefer white-nordics! I don't. Additionally, I am glad you are proud of your heritage. So am I, I am proud to be of English, Scottish, and Italian and African extraction. I am truly proud of that. Read what Emily says, actually read it. It is disgusting, she is disgusting! Everybody should be proud of where they came from. What is wrong with Emily is that she takes it to another level! She insults people, saying they look diseased. I know you said that you don't agree with her form of psychotic extremism, but you shouldn't dismiss it as us bullying her. I am saddened that you take up for her so much, because she is truly a disturbed individual. I mean, even in the way she attacked Godis (not saying Godis was w/o fault mind you), the way she attacked that model girl, the ways she talks about africans, she is just an overall evil-minded person. And yeah your right, she doesn't bore us with scientific facts and all that, she just posts random (biased) pictures of swedish girls. Why bore us with things like facts and figures? Why? Everyone proclaims her to be scholarly just for mastering english, but the extent of her scholarship must end with typing in "swedish girl bar" into google.

Here is a novel idea for you Emily, research your shit! Stop running off at the mouth and start to back something up for once(hint: this does NOT include just google), at least then you can have some respectability.

Here is what you wont see from me, an apology for the tone, or anything I have said here, because it is all true. Emily, if you don't broaden your horizons a bit, life will kick the shit out of you, and you will never truly be happy. I do think on some level, you were wronged by somebody of a different ethnicity and you made sweeping generalizations (oh I cannot wait to here the "but my best friend is black/asian/slavic/other" line from you, I just feel it coming on! Of course, you probably aren't even woman enough to respond to this or to me). Whatever happened, whatever the circumstance, it is not okay to just pigeonhole a whole group.

And another thing too barbella you are right. White people do get the race card thrown up at them too much here in America. I was even hesitant to call Emily racist in the beginning, but earnestly feel that she is by some of the monstrous things she says. I do think that is true that black people blame the "white man" too much for issues they deal with in their lives. That is why my parents raised me to, instead of play the race card, always just evaluate things and see if maybe I am doing something wrong that I may have overlooked. I don't believe in using the n-word, even though sometimes I do (I think I mentioned in a previous post) because it is a negative word. I was also taught never to use terms like "white-trash" because I believe we are all God's children and God doesn't make "trash." I love white people, I have no problem with them. That is a term that white people use amongst themselves that I think is very negative too, and comparable to the n-word. Most are pretty nice, some not so much, but that is more due to personality factors rather than their skin color. Well, anyway, when Emily spews her hateful speech (something so easy to do behind a computer desk, right Emily?), I feel its like when some calls a white person, "white trash." It enrages me, because it is so disrespectful, and that is what Emily is in a nutshell, disrespectful and bigotted. The way you have presented your ideas, I respect that. I feel like you, for the most part, have been pretty level head, and I can see where you are coming from. But I cannot identify with Emily, she doesn't just state her opinion, she accosts people, just like she did with the model girl, Ekaterina I think is her name (who I thought was very pretty!). She attacks people, and it is a really ugly personality trait.

Again, I say this unabashedly, unashamedly, and freely. I mean absolutely everything that was posted in this note, and I will not back down. You have some serious character flaws Emily, and if you don't correct them, you will never be happy. That is all I wish for you. . .

Oh yeah, this must be your old boyfriend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wuRjqptkvI&feature=related

Such a long rant and not even one argument on the issue.

I can see why non-whites can find this entry upsetting, especially if they already have self-esteem problems or inferiority complexes. Maybe it is best not to read it if you can't be detached and argue the issues instead of the poster.

Emily (the black Emily),

"I love white people, I have no problem with them."

lol

Hey emily, calling someone jealous isn't an argument! You cannot prove it. Talk to me when you have more than just bullshit.

Black Emily,

let me ask you this...do you deny that there are physical similarities between white people with no asian admixture who have Down syndrome and asians?

For a number of reasons, one is that I have a head cold and excused myself from class, and two is that I'm not leaving for Hawaii for a few more days, I couldn't help myself and checked the site again this morning/afternoon. First of all to Nicky: It is obvious that you have an innate preference for brunettes and this is why you say the things you do. It was a fairly biased couple of entries. What this site entry describes and entails is how evolution has brought us to this point: we now have a very fair race of humans that are coupled with a very fine and gracile bone structure of the face, as well as feminine proportions body-wise. Is this the height of evolution? In the opinion of the site admin, with the support of empirical scientific data that he's supplied for us to read, this is the conclusion that a great many believe. It frustrates me when people say that the reason that there are so few natural blondes is because they are not viable to the species that is continuing to evolve. I disagree with this. While it's true that most of the world's population is comprised of darker people, that is not one and the same as saying that the comparatively fewer natural blondes are somehow becoming extinct, and then saying that this is because their genes, and subsequently the features thereof, are not conducive to the perpetuation of the species. These traits are prevelent amongst Northern Europeans, still, because there is obvious viability and innate need for the traits to carry on. Furthermore, one reason for the decrease of lighter eyes and hair is due to extensive admixture of darker traits with those of the Northern Europeans. Yes, the traits are reciessive, and I'm aware there's a good chance that when I decide to have children, if my mate has darker features and eyes, my offspring most likely will as well. I don't believe that recessive means "weak", I believe it means that it's more rare, however still viable. If VC sees this, I've read (on-line) a number of articles that support this. It may contradict what you've learned, and if so, please respectfully respond to these claims.

As far as the opposite sex and their attraction (or lack of according to Nicky) to blonde hair, I'd say that blondes still get quite a bit of attention, and being a hairdresser for the time being, know it is the most asked for salon service. Blonde hair does a couple of things: It draws light to the face, and then softens the features of the face. Those with the highest frequency of natural blonde hair usually have the "softest" features, according to my information, which is partially related to my profession, as well as a color theory seminar I took that was instructed by several scientists in differing fields. Some of my information is practical, and applied, since at this time, hairdressing is my livlihood. We subconciously equate blonde hair with youth, femininity (more blonde male children end up with brunette hair than blonde female children) as well as overall attraction to this shade because light colors capture the eye first, that's a fact I've read from many different sources, it's basic color theory as well, although I expect VC to disagree:)

Next, I'll admit that I'm not an expert on this, but again, based on what I've learned, persons with darker hair and eye colors also have more robustity of their features on average. Now VC's articles, videos and posted info gave me a lot to ponder. While the brow ridge for example, may be more "delicate" amonst East Asians, adding femininity (or neotony), the darker colors of the hair and eyes are not as soft. I'm not saying that, as my opinion, this is the absolute truth, but in my professional experience, when an Asian woman comes in for hair color, namely highlights, for example, I usually suggest going only a few shades lighter (very fair blonde colors look very unnatural on darker complected people or on Asians even with lightest skin tones), and apply the color just around the face to "soften" her features, and this usually yields beautiful results. The lighter color draws light, and then diffuses sharp or prominant features or balances assymetry, if this is a concern.

For me, I'd say that on average the darker complected the woman (this includes dark eyes and dark hair),then the coarser the features, (of course I see exceptions to this on a regular basis). I've noticed that to be the case, and for those of you who feel my citing my current occupation as something of a joke to base scientific hypotheses on, I'll remind you that I apply the laws of color and linear shape on a daily basis. Take a moment to realize also that my training entailed extensive study of human anatomy and pysiology of the face and head, particularly, and that training showed me how to interpret facial shape, as well as symmetry of features, and additionally, the ability to ascertain "problem areas". More "ethnic" women, if you will, seem to ask for styles and colors of hair, make-up etc. to help "recede" prominant features, while women of more Northern European background ask for the opposite: styles to help to bring features "out". This is one of the reasons I've come to the conclusions that I have. I don't, however, believe that robustity of features is unattractive as long as there's symmetry. Women of darker ethnic origin can be quite striking, but they almost ALWAYS ask for lightening of the hair, even if it's very suble lightening, in order to achieve the desired softness and femininity to their look.

Finally, as I realize this may be the longest entry I've written in the history of my visiting this site, I'd like to address Nicky once more, allegating that the only reason that men glance at blondes is to briefly assess the "fakeness" of blonde hair, and then dismiss it. Not always true. Once again, certain laws of human attraction allow us to gravitate to things that catch our eye first, and often the attraction is instantaneous, on a basic level. Concious desires and preferences will dictate our innate tastes and our deliberate attraction to a "chosen" person with features that make up "our type". The term "Gentleman prefer Blondes" still rings true, even if that preference is fleeting, however at times it isn't fleeting! I've heard many men say that they love brunettes, redheads, girls with glossy, jet black hair, and everything in between, and all these colors can be gorgeous if they're on a person whom they're suited. I've also heard those same men say that they still love blondes even if they haven't deliberately chosen a blonde mate in years. Go figure.

I looked at several pictures of downs syndrome patients, and I do not see the resemblance. I honestly don't. I cannot understand how Emily can compare the two groups because to me, they look completely different.

The word "mongoloid" has two meanings.

One refers to the mongoloid race, being one of three great races, caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. The other one refers to people who have Down syndrome. Why is that, do you think? Is it because there is no physical connection at all?

"Mongoloid:

1. resembling the Mongols.

2. Anthropol.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by yellowish complexion, prominent cheekbones, epicanthic folds about the eyes, and straight black hair, and including the Mongols, Manchus, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Annamese, Siamese, Burmese, Tibetans, and, to some extent, the Eskimos and the American Indians: no longer in technical use.

3. (often l.c.) Pathol.(no longer in technical use) of, affected with, or characteristic of Down syndrome.

—n.
1. Anthropol.a member of the peoples traditionally classified as the Mongoloid race: no longer in technical use.

2. (usually l.c.) Pathol.(no longer in technical use) a person affected with Down syndrome."

Barberella;

"What this site entry describes and entails is how evolution has brought us to this point: we now have a very fair race of humans that are coupled with a very fine and gracile bone structure of the face, as well as feminine proportions body-wise. Is this the height of evolution? In the opinion of the site admin, with the support of empirical scientific data that he's supplied for us to read, this is the conclusion that a great many believe."

Very true, and eloquently put. Most people believe this and agree with Erik's conclusions about the link between physical evolvment and universal appeal, but due to the furious and irrational reactions from those not belonging to this group of people, therefore feeling excluded, it is a truth that is not easily told.

It becomes even harder if you actually compare the races in order to argue your point. People will not readily accept a reality that is not to their own benefit, it seems. This of course doesn't mean they don't see the truth. Admitting it is another thing, though.

Mango, thanks for the compliment. I wasn't expecting it and was suprised and pleased. It's been a while since I've been viewed as an individual instead of some sort of minion of another poster. Once again, I appreciate the compliment. I've been called names, accused of saying things another poster has said, simply because I said she had a right to say them, or because I admitted that I shared some opinions, namely on the fact that Nordic women are often very beautiful, as well as stating that I agreed with some other, but not ALL of this person's viewpoints. The reason I wrote last night that I was going to leave the site for a while, in addition to the reasons of being busy in the coming weeks, is because the conversation has digressed to the point of EVERYONE on here, myself included is hurling insults at one another instead of sticking to the topics. It was my wish that I could engage in conversations with others about the many topics pertaining to beauty. Hopefully when I return I'll be able to continue that.

In the spirit of debate, I believe everyone has a right to share their peice. I don't believe anyone should ever be censored.

Emily, other one, you know that I've not come even close to using the language that Emily's used to describe individuals that belong to races I don't find attractive. That is the merit I should be judged on, although I don't think you have the right to judge me or anyone else for that matter. Is it the fact that I said Emily has a right to her opinions the same as those who wrote that Nordics have light eye colors that look dead, the women are horse toothed and unfemininly built like line-backers' or that my straight, small upturned nose is snobbish, or piggish. Not to mention the pig-skin!! Oh, and we're inbread too. We have hair colors like cartoon birds. I saw things like these, and then saw her saying things she was, but told she was this terrible person. I disagreed with it. I shared an appreciation for Nordic beauty with her. If associating myself based on those reasons means that I'm lumped in with her, that the merit of my comments, that have absolutely nothin to do with hers means you deem me as some terrible person, than that is TRULY YOUR PROBLEM. If you are as smart as you portray yourself, you'd understand the difference.

Sorry for the typos in the previous posts:)

Emily (the black Emily)

"I love white people, I have no problem with them."

lol

lol classic

Everybody who write on this board is full of stories to tell

They always have a swedish friend (girl of course) which envy their ethnic traits

All of them stand against whites and end up being whites themselves or saying that they love white people

All of them are either blond/blue-eyed or have someone in their family who is

Callmewhateveryouwant,
This is very true.

It's kinda funny how Nicky/Mango remind me so much of Godis...now I don't want to be paranoid, but all of the things they've said (to eachother, how strange) are things that Godis' said at various times, so I don't know. She's done this before, invented other posters to conduct "experiments", and that compliment, out of nowhere, how odd.

If I'm wrong, sorry! There's just some uncanny similarities, like the reference to Kant, Godis' favorite philosopher...

Visitor:

Fascinating you should say that. But I am not Godis. Perhaps there is some similarity. If I continue to post on this debate you'd eventually know that I am not Godis or anyone else who is experimenting. I have visited this site last night for the first time and found the debate fascinating.

I am not white. I am Asian (Mango is our national fruit). I am a man. I am 37 years old. I love my country and people but I think white races are far more evolved than the other races. And I beleive that they are generally more attractive than the rest. For long I have been interested in this kind of a debate, but where I come from this kind of debate degenerates quickly into a fight. Most people do not hold the argument on a topic of this sensitivity and instead start to 'play the player and not the ball'. But I found many views here truly fascinating and though some posters say they come from non-scientific background I am enjoying the level of intellect they display. I like a good debate - and dont mind losing and being proven wrong.

I think there is a lot to debate yet and I intend to stay on the thread.

Kant is not my favorite philosopher, though he is probably the greatest of the Western Philosophers. Schopenhauer is my favorite philosopher - for he is greater than Kant.

Barbella, I don't think you're or a horrible person. Like I said in my previous post, I can see where you are coming from. I just think it is a poor judgment call on your part to support her as voraciously as you do. That is all I am saying. It seems like with every nasty thing she says, you have some way to kind of clean it up for her, and I don't think that is right.

I do resent some of the comments you posted about what others have said. I think it is wrong to describe people in such dehumanizing terms (that's what it is mind you). I didn't like how Godis said nordic have "pig pink" skin. I likewise don't like it when people say africans look like gorillas (Emily, that must sound familiar), and I don't like it when people say that asians have skin like a snake. To quote billy bush, its gross. I have been reading this site for a while, and I remember seeing early posts from Emily, and yes she was just as inflammatory then as every. And I was offended by it then just as I am now. I gotta give it to the girl, at least she is consistent.

Even if those things were being said (and I recognize they were), does that make it right for Emily to do likewise? Are their wrongs canceled out by her doing the same thing to them? What benefit is there in taking on the positions of such negative people? Can anyone learn and grow from such an experience? I think not! All you get is a circle of negativity that never ends. All you get are the same things hurled back and forth, a never ending cycle. Maybe it is time that we rise above this cycle and really talk, really understand each other without hateful, mean words being exchanged. Emily is a perpetual ball of negativity, seeking to uplift her own beauty by stepping on others. Dammit, that is not right, and I'll be damned if I don't call her on it. I feel like Emily is such a negative person, and spends so much time tearing people down, its draining. Can you imagine how it feels to have someone say that your people look diseased? As I am writing this it is hard for me to even fathom that those words were typed on her keyboard. I understand that when you see someone like Emily being "ganged up on" when you share a similar position is annoying and hard, but you have to exercise wisdom in who you take up for. Remember, just because someone is ganged upon and in a position of disfavor, does not mean that they are innocent or right. I mean no disrespect, because I do feel that you do have valuable things to say and add to the conversation, and I think you waste your time taking up for Emily.

Also, you shouldn't feel the need to say that Emily has a right to her opinion because everyone recognizes that. Just because we revile her opinion, doesn't mean that we strip her of her right to have one.

Emily: You're arguments are lame. You citing the fact that people call it mongolidism or whatever does not mean that asians look like they have down syndrome, all it means is that, unfortunately, there are people out there like you who actually classify these disease in such a racist way (undoubtedly the same people who idotically say they all look alike).

Callmewhateveryouwant:

Yes, I do love white people. I don't see the point of your post. I love asians, blacks, indians, native-americans, etc. I love them all, I love people. I truly don't see why you find asians so unattractive. I think they are a very attractive people, but not everybody likes everything I do, and I realize that.

I was hoping this painful discussion thread had finally died, but I guess not.

I'm pretty much done with this site for awhile, for now. In regards to "the other" Emily, thank you.

Barbarella:

"VC, if you come back, I do have a question or two. First of all, I want to reiterate that I don't refute scientific data, I was merely asking you to show pictures of examples of the browridges you spoke of. By a less prominant browridge, I'm interpreting that as a neotonous trait (?)."

Yes, it is, and it's also a "primitive" trait.

"I understand that neotony is a correlate of femininity, but can it really stand alone when assessing the face overall? I understand that you claimed that Nordics had a more prominant browridge,"

I didn't mean nordics in particular- I meant caucasoids as a whole. I'm not sure as to how much variance these populations exhbiti- from nordics to north africans to arabs to irananians to indians- but it seems generally rather homogenous.

" but it is my understanding that the other, more refined traits of the Nordic face is more feminine overall."

In comparison to a group like black africans, certainly. That's what I said, and that's what Erik said. Testosterone and certain other aspects of facial gracility can also make even the area of a small or non-protruding browridge appear more rugged.

"I was interested in seeing an example of this. That is why I asked for photos, not to replace your data, but to support it."

Well, I've shown some photos and videos, albeit not a whole lot to show such a thing. It's not that easy to come across such specific comparisons, but I can understand now.

"Yes, I read your response to me, and I think if the foul language and name-calling wasn't present in your previous posts, I might read them in their entirety. Not that I don't swear! It's just that it was so excessive and to be totally honest without being insulting, I took you and your comments less seriously because of it."

I understand this, but as I've said, in certain debates, I disregard certain aspects of etiquitte in what I see is largely irrelevant to addressing extremism. Is that really a good approach? No, I need to work on it. But it shouldn't be too understandable.

"I do still have my preferences in terms of what I find beautiful. I'll read your articles but I'm not sure I'd change my mind. I know what is inherently attractive to ME."

That's understandable. Here's an example: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/the-masculinization-of-the-western-white-female/

This is a little independent anthropology study that merged the photos of a bunch of modern white models and a bunch of older white ones, and the more recent ones are more frequently preferred.

Am I saying you prefer more masculine women? No, there's a certain range of femininity and masculinity that seem to be considered universally attractive, even with the women at the upper ranges of that masculinity being more preffered. Maybe that's how most modern white american males feel.

Maybe alot of these nordic women Emily spams are quite feminine, but maybe I just have a greater preference for equivalently "feminine" east asian women. Have I been trying to convince you, all along, to prefer something else? No. I'm simply pointing out that nordic women simply aren't as gracile and feminine as alot of people have made them out to be. That's all. And I can also admit that east asians have certain flaws, and highly feminine women would also lead to highly feminine men. Do I believe general facial femininity correlates with all around beauty? Of course not.

Then again, alot of these nordic women Emily posts, I sincerely don't believe many people can find them highly attractive. Good looking or pretty or average maybe, but highly attractive?

"About my narrow perception of beauty: if you and I shared the same opinion of what is beautiful, and what's not, would it still be narrow to you? Is it only narrow because it's a perception that's not in agreement with yours? I think there are attractive Asians, Blacks, Southern and Eastern Europeans as well. It's just that of those groups, I find FEWER, not NONE, in terms of where I find the most frequently attractive people. That does not make me a bad person in the slightest. I'd read that you prefer the looks of East Asians, and that is your preference. I have not personally said a thing about what you, or anyone else deems attractive. I've stood beside Emily when people began bashing Northern Europeans. On one or two occasions, I stated my opinions of certain individuals that I felt were unattractive. I disagree that that's a narrow perception of beauty."

I guess you're largely right, but I don't feel like addressing this in detail. I'm sorry if I've knocked on you, but I'm still revolted at how you've defended Emily and tried to twist what she says. Sorry.

Before I'll probably leave for quite some time, I'll address a few fun new claims Emily has brought to the table:

When someone bespeaks of facial femininity, gracility, refinement, whatever, they obviously bespeak of averages. There are highly feminine black women, but they are less frequent in respect to their population averages. The same holds true for a whole host of other ethnic groups.

East asians may be more feminine on average, but it obviously isn't particularly hard to find masculine asian women- just as one can find masculine white women. But, in your words:

"Gracile and refined? Hardly. Those are the exceptions..after surgery."

So gracile and refined asian women are exceptions, and only after surgery? That's a massive, disgusting exageration.

In regards to you waving around that study of korean women who undertook surgery, that was just... 810 in Seoul. Do you know how many people are in Seoul?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul#Demographics

About 10 million. Talk about representative.

East Asians also don't have overtly sloping foreheads. That's a load of BS. To quote more anthropological data from this very site: http://femininebeauty.info/ethnic-comparisons/facial-flatness

http://femininebeauty.info/images/hanihara.3.gif

East asians and europeans have about the same level of forehead development. In fact, they're in the middle ground of human physiological expression, with native americans have the roundest, highest ones.

You seem to have a nasty habit of picking little features you see in some photos of other races, or read up on, and just running with it as much as humanly possible.

Then again, finding some east asians with relatively flattened foreheads isn't too hard when it's such a heavily variable physical trait.

Another highly variable physical trait that also falls on a scale of derivation is head breadth, measured under the cephalic index. Look it up. Dolichocephalic refers to a long head, mesocephlic refers to a middle-ground head, and brachycephalic refers to a round head. There's also classifications like hyper-dolichocephalic and hyper-brachycephalic. It falls on a scale of derivation because, well, when you look at our evolution, we became much rounder headed.

It's been a common observation that africans are typically dolichocephalic, europeans are mesocehpalic, and east asians are brachycephalic.

And this trait varies substantially amongst racial groups, perhaps the most variable trait- so much so it's been shown to have small environmental components in twin studies.

Here's just a few examples:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/34/20070722185615!Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png

Although this is a very old chart, the data in it is stil probably very reliable since the cephalic index measurement has been around for ages, and is just so simple. Notice how strongly europeans vary.

It even varies heavily within a small place like Sardinia, which ranks as relatively dolichocephalic on this map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Sardinia_Cephalic_Index.png

It varies so heavily that there's a few areas where they approach east asian norms.

Here's another example- France: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4972/57341469.jpg

And horrors of horrors, you can see that Scandinavians are the most dolichocephalic europeans, and thus, have the most "primitive" head shapes.

However, I've never seen a single study, or even opinion, to rank head breadth on a scale of attractiveness. It's overwhelmingly likely all relative.

But back to foreheads, I'm also uncertain as to how that can be ranked on a scale of objective attractiveness. While it's certainly on a scale of derivation, and a broad neotenic trait, there was a study on this site showing how examinees generally preferred highly rounded or middle ground foreheads- yet a certain age group did greatly prefer sloping foreheads.

Plus, you have to consider how loads of pre-modern cultures practiced head binding, to alter the shape and structure of the head and forehead, often- wait for it- BEAUTY. Look it up yourself. Many groups, like native americans, the Minoans, the ancient Egyptians, the Mayans etc. etc. deformed the forehead to extreme shapes, greatly outside of what humans are normally capable of expressing.

So I find the verdict rather out on that one.

Also, a number of the asian women Emily has posted are southeast asians, which are quite obviously not as gracile as east asians, largely due to their hardier lifestyles and the like.

And finally, this comment:

"The mongoloid race has uncanny similarities to Down syndrome patients. I actually believe there is some kind of common gene that accounts for the mongoloid look in asians and in Down syndrome patients.

They are just too similar not to be related physically. I don't mean to sound mean, but what other explanation for the similarities can there be? They both have arrested development so it seems logical, I think."

If you throw out the transient below-the-neck physical features (which you never will), then all you have left in terms of such a similarity is flatter faces and epicanthic folds.

Why do people with downs syndrome and other genetic disabilities have these traits? I don't know. You seem to love the idea of there being some master "Downs snydrome gene" that also accounts for a few physical similarities with asians, though.

Again, that's alot like hilariously archaic and simple minded early racial science. But you don't have any objections to it.

I've often heard infants have relatively flattened faces, but I'm not sure of this, or the anatomical correlate of it. Some of the facial flatness seen among east asians and the like is due to their heavy midfacial flatness and fronto-orbital flatness, but that's heavily reduced in other mongoloid populations, in spite of having similar general facial flatness.

Since they're both broad neotenic traits, unrelated to derivation, my guess is that some kind of genetic defect related to expression of all these causes them to be retained beyond infancy. Remember, a GENETIC DEFECT. The basic definition of neoteny is a RETENTION of infantile traits in an adult organism. They aren't really connected, but Emily has no problems worshipping the broad neotenic traits of light skin and hair in nordics, but thinking epicanthic folds or flat faces or relatively flattened nasal bridges are an innately disgusting trait.

But you don't seem to sound mean?

Could someone just search Emily's name on this site and compile all of the garbage she's said?

"What this site entry describes and entails is how evolution has brought us to this point: we now have a very fair race of humans that are coupled with a very fine and gracile bone structure of the face, as well as feminine proportions body-wise. Is this the height of evolution? In the opinion of the site admin, with the support of empirical scientific data that he's supplied for us to read, this is the conclusion that a great many believe."

This is what I want to leave on. But I'll say again that Erik doesn't seem to believe cranio-facial traits shifted heavily towards european norms are universally more attractive- just somewhat.

I've detailed my positions on this heavily, and while I agree with alot of what Erik's saying, I disagree strongly with alot of it, and for good reason, and see some inconsistencies with Erik's ideas, including biases and some other ideological ideas he seems kind of reluctant to openly express.

Regardless, this site has taught me a staggering amount about human beauty, physical anthropology, and evolution in general, and it's something to build upon. In alot of my future studies, I plan to make this debate apart of it as well. I strongly believe I'll be able to present something more level-headed than what Erik presents- this site is supposed to be mainly about beauty pageants, but it seems an atrocious avenue to be comparing things like the presence of derived traits among humans and the general question of race and beauty and the like.

All I have to say for a long time here, I hope.

I am not Godis. Like I said, I come from Canada, grew up as a teenager in Toronto, a multicultural city. I don't follow the rants that go on here, I am a mother, I breifly go over things being discussewd, and look for the truth myself when it becomes available. I simply don't have the time to go over everything being said. And I have been viewing this site for over a year, I just decided to post on something that doesn't seem to be entirely true, as what I saw on a childrens show that was filmed in Sweden. I neverr said blonde hair isn't beautiful, even I am attracted to it, but to say that it ranks higher than another haircolour is absurd. I find beauty in all things. And from what I have seen growing up in a mulricultural city, its not that men prefer one hair colour to the next, it is that the media pushes it down our throat until we all believe it to be true. Such as men are being pushed to believe that supermodels are beautiful. Men are attracted to a certain body type and certain facial features, one that resenates with their need to create healthy offspring. And trust me, I have watched men closely, men do look at blonde hair more but how often do we see them stare at these girls? I dont see them stare at these girls anymore than I see them stare at a brunette or a redhead. It has been brainwashed into them that blonde equates to fakeness, and I am sorry to say but a whore. I know that sounds wrong as well. But this came from my own husbands mouth. Blonde hair they seem to think of it as a girl who is more fun and more easy to get into bed. Not necessarily a life partner or anything other than something to use sexually. And I have seen pictures even on here, which has been seletively picked for you to view by the way, with what looks to be light brown hair roots, on these so called naturally blonde swedes. Once again not saying that it isn't possible, but swedes are human just like the rest of us, and unless you are born with dark hair, it seems to darken as we age. I can think of so many people with blonde facial hair, blonde hair on their body, yet they have to dye the hair on their head to match the colour of their youth. Bothy my brothers were blonde, with now a lighter shade of brown. My children have blonde hair and red hair, yet I highly doubt it will stay this vibrant light colour as they age because that isn't what happens on average. My own fiery red headed child gets so much attention because of how rare it is to see his hair colour these days, nobody even pays attention to my blonde haired child in comparison. So whats all the hype about blonde women? It seems because we are brainwashed to belive it to be perfection.

And so once again I want to say that I am speaking about what I saw on a television show filmed in Sweden. And the average was light brown, however there were a few blondes and this is speaking about both genders.

I think that white people are jealous of olive complexions adn darker skin tones. Tans aren't a natural tone for our skin to have. So why do we do that? Another thing that is being pushed on us by the media through Hollywood, movies and the like. Tanning our skin is essentially burning our skin cells, obviously how people get skin cancer. So why do something that is harmful to your body unless you want to conform to some sterotype being pushed at us? I don't know very men who like pasty white skin. This all comes down to this archetype of ideal beauty, which from the looks of it, hasn't escaped northern euopeans and swedes... why else burn your skin? have you been told that it is the most attractive?

I see beauty in all races. Yes, asians dont have perfect teeth, but they hair gorgeous hair. Yes, black people dont have these "european" facial features but they have an ASS and a tanned complexion. White people have beautiful facial features but they have a pasty bland skin tone. I could go on and on. I am not here to bash anyone, or offend anyone, I am just trying to say what I see as a person in a multicultural city. There is some sterotype that is being pushed on all of us whether we want to realize it or not, and we should spend less time bashing one another and spreading hatred and jealousy, and embrace our difference and see that each race has beauty within it. No one ranks higher than anyone else unless you yourself believe it to be true, and let me say, that most of the world is filled with ignorant people who like to sell their propaganda to create an evil and unhappy environment in the world.

I wont respond either due to lack of time. I just wanted to write on something that I saw, unbiased on television. I would much rather leave this on a positive note than to come back and hear anything negative be thrown at me or anyone else for that matter. Frankly it is quite gross. Ignorance doesnt make it the truth.

VioletCorpus,

You always bring up the neoteny argument to stand for your point of view.

Let's be logical here. What's feminine: to look like a child or to look youthful?

That's the point. The neoteny represented by east asians looks retarded. As they haven't developed completely. They possess the same traits of born babies: disproportional head, sunken nose bridge, epicanthic fold, wide set eyes.

Also you keep insisting on asians having more refined traits. Girl, we have posted many pictures of nordic girls standing side by side with east asians girls proving that your argumentation holds no truth. Anyone can see that east asians have oversized traits in relation to nordics or any european group.

If you prefer asian beauty, it's your taste. However, say the truth or open your eyes at least.

Why don't you say that you prefer east asians because they have broader noses or bigger heads? Even coarser hair or flatter faces? Instead of that, you come here with your well written texts and try to convince people that asians are curvy, have long legs, proportional head and no prognathism.

a picture is worth a thousand words

beauty isn't the point here. just to enlighten how asians are in fact coarser. just look at the girls and see how the two white girls have finer traits. pay attention to their nose. the two whites have it thiner and pointy while the two asians have it flat, wider with rounded nostrils. Even more noticeable is the jaw size.

VC, thank you for answering my questions and explaining what you did. I appreciate that you took the time. Hopefully you'll come back from time to time.

It has become apparent that my defense of Emily, which largely began during a conversation where it was Nordics being largely insulted, and where I came to the defense of Emily while she was expressing her approval of the looks of Northern Europeans, which I concurred. I do not hate races of people, or individual people based on their race. I'm sorry that it appears that I do, it simply isn't the truth. I think that if the evidence was to look at the photos I've posted, they've all been of people I have found attractive, not of those I don't, with a few exceptions which was largely due to my utter frustration with other posters Yes, I've gotten impatient and frustrated with some people here, that happens during debate.

I happen to prefer the looks of Northern Europeans as far as men (and women) go. That does not mean that I, personally, think everyone else is ugly, because I don't. I don't have as critical a view of other races as others' here. It's not just some token "I really do think other races are attractive" statement. I do, but less often than I like the looks of what I've already stated I prefered. Someone said "It's ok to say that you don't think certain people are attractive, and just leave it at that". I believe for the most part I've largely done that. Judge me on the merits of my comments, please? Not on those comments of another poster. I've not chosen to align with hate, and for those that think Emily's hateful, that is your issue with her, not me.

Oh and one more thing before I shut this down for good. Just because your studies and text say that this or that is the most beautiful, does it make it true? Seriously, think about that. Ahve you yourself went out into the world, all over the world, to different places in all countries to rpove someone elses opinion to be true? These studies can be biased if a person so chooses them to be. I am speaking from a person who lives in a very multicultural city, where whites are a minority almost, and that I am not seeing all of these ugly asians and such. Probably because these asians I live around are in a north american country, where we all get the same healthcare. I dont see any more beautiful white people here than I see black people, and so on. Youa re picking on a country of people who are less fortunate. They dont always get the advantages that we take for granted.

Hm..not very persuasive damage control, VC. You live in a fantasyland.

For example, Koreans;

Japanese;

..and almost all the other ones I have posted.

Actually, almost all my photos are of East Asians (Koreans and Japanese) so the lack of gracility you see is the lack of gracility in E. Asians - not in the S. E. Asians. Sorry.

The profile of the asian with the low sloping forehead is Korean. There are many that look like that.

Good photo, Callmewhatyouwant. The asians have much heavier and coarse facial features than the white girls. Just as I have noticed myself when I looked for photos.

VC:
Godis, do you have an email I can converse with? I have my own reservations about posting personal information, and if you do, just set up an alternate one. I could set one up myself

Sure, I'll set one up. But I try to be safe online so I don't know how I would go about posting my email without other people knowing what it is. How would I go about doing that? I'm not very computer savvy.

Barberella:

Stop posing Emily as a victim. She is not. People do not lash out at you and Emily simply because you believe whites to be more attractive or superior in certain ways. People lash out at Emily and yourself because of the way Emily degrades other people and whole populations and because of the way you stand behind that.

Emily:

Thanks for calling me a hyppocrite. I believe I mentioned that WE ARE ALL HYPPOCRITES at times. I just realized I was even being a hyppocrite when I once again attacked your character by claiming you are a hyppocrite. Old habits die hard. I am remorseful. I personally don't like you and I find your persectives on things shocking,troubling,etc. However, I am disapointed with myself because as I have read my posts I realize that they are a poor representation of the person I usually am. I guess that being online brings about a different darker side of me. I am usually a very nice person in my everyday life outside of this site. Even when I don't like people I generally don't say mean things to them,and I am usually not sarcastic and insulting. Even when they mess with my nerves. I have to say I have never met anyone as outrageous as you however. Either way I probably will be nasty at times. But I just want to improve and try not to attack your character. That is the worst thing I believe. I won't call you a horrible person anymore.
I don't know who you really are and what is really going on deep in your brain and your heart. It is not my place to judge other souls like that, although I believe you do need a wake up call and you will be judged by others. It is only human nature for people to judge.

Godis, you know shit about what I stand for. Go through these pages and ask yourself where are my photos of persons of other races, and their comparative flaws. No where. I've usually posted photos of the Nordics you can't stand, but no one else really. Oh, the Romanians I posted to insult you with. Which by the way wasn't my intention, which once again shows what you know about me.

Nicky, too bad you're not coming back. It pains me to know that you'll never read how I think for someone who finds all races and persons equally beautiful, you think blondes look like whores. LOL. I get it, you're a brunette. If you think there were inaccuracies in my post you're wrong, I was speaking of my salon, and the amount of revenue it generates from turning all the proud brunettes into delicate blondes...but no one really likes blonde hair. I, too live in a large, multi-cultural city and women of all races, ethnicities and backgrounds at least try the color, and many keep it. The point of that comment was to say that you love blonde hair, but then again only whores like it because your husband says so? Later.

Funny, godis, you say I lash out and degrade whole populations, yet you lash out at Scandinavians repeatedly, over and over, yet no one says a word. Amazing, isn't it. You people are incredible hypocrites. As long as you lash out at Scandinavians, blondes, Nordics..you are fine here. No one will say a thing, or criticise you for it. Why the double standard?

Say anything negative about non-whites and be prepared to be ganged up on, or even for just defending the looks of Nordics. People like VC and black Emily have even openly urged others to attack me. I don't even think you realize how disgusting and revolting you people are. You're nothing but a mob.

Gang up on whites and call them names like pigs and whores (yes, godis, you called me "whore" and wished me physical harm because I didn't approve of someone's nose shape!)and then bully them, accusing them of everything under the sun if they have any opinions that are unfavorable to non-whites.

This site is NOT just about POSITIVE opinions. It is about ALL TYPES of opinions, negative as well as positive, about looks. If you just want mutual flattery, find another site. This one deals with reality.

If asians and blacks cannot accept the reality of their looks, away from the artificial lighting and studio settings with professional models, photo retouching and white admixture, it says all about their looks, or lack of it.

The fake fury is not about my "degrading" and "insulting" anyone. This is plainly about trying to prevent anyone from putting a dent in the fake image of the asians. The truth isn't good enough for them. Asian students - even some models - and Tokyo and Beijing cheerleaders that I used, are not good enough for them.

Half-white asians, or plastic surgery-altered models in studio settings, or you are racist and degrading them.

They come here to a site named femininebeauty and can't find any photos of them because they in fact are far from feminine, on average, especially compared to white women of North European descent. It takes an adult, developed body to be feminine. Then they start posting their professional, retouched studio photos and jump on anyone who dares to say "Hey, wait, this is not what asians normally look like."

As for Downs syndrome, I have been called a terrible person for stating an objective fact - that asians have physical similarities to people who have a physical deformation.

WHY is it that a disease in whites with no asian admixture creates mongoloid features? I asked that question before.

I think it is interesting that the physical flaws I see in asians appear in whites who have a disease that prevents normal development.

Asians have underdeveloped bodies compared to other races, and most of them have no real curves to speak of, and remain very tiny and pubescent-looking, apart from the heads, which in contrast are often larger than the heads of whites, and much heavier and coarser.

For comparison purposes I will have to use photos of people with the disease. I think it is obvious that the mongoloiud traits are very similar to the ones of asians. That is why the word refers to both types of people.

Down syndrome, how it manifests itself in whites;

Asian child with Down syndrome. Why is it much less visually apparent in an asian? Because they already naturally have those features.

To callmewhat you want according to what u say :

Girl, we have posted many pictures of nordic girls standing side by side with east asians girls proving that your argumentation holds no truth. Anyone can see that east asians have oversized traits in relation to nordics or any european group.

answer - if that person find the large head, healthy black which difficult to fall out and look different than the animal fur or the nose holes which easy to breath in any kind of weathers, are better than the nordic traits.....you just simply can't change their minds eventhough you would kill them because of what they believe.

callmewhatever you said say :
LOL this girl below doesn't look nordic. She looks like a eastern russian.

answer - I don't know which part of the brains you take to consider?.... for me she looks like a normal white woman and the eastern russian people don't look look different than nordic.

the girl with blonde hair is not even from russia. she is from kazakhstan as same as the one looks asian also kazakh.
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As long as they are not mixed with caucasoid, they only have one single hair color and hair texture: black and coarse

answer - I find the thick black hair is stronger than the puffy blonde hair. I rarely have seen the asian men get bald. but many caucasian men loss their hair when they get older. caucasian men up to 80 percent of all white men will suffer from hair loss and male pattern baldness in part by the time they are 60 years. Hair loss can start any time after puberty. Caucasian men are more likely to lose hair than African or Asian men

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Emily (other one), I doubt that Emily is shut down, really, do you see that?

bookworm, you are using atypical Asians to make your points. There are very few Asians that actually look like the pictures you post. Your living in a fantasy world. What you're doing is lying, basicly. Your stories change and have far too many consistancies. Not all white women have botox and boobs, fool. These are the types of things said here that makes me question your intelligence. For all the Asian "fetishists" here, I can only hope you someday find a site that's more in line with your tastes. Name calling isn't going to change peoples minds. Nor are showing dishonest, non-representative pictures of a small minority of an ehtnic group. People generally have their preferences, showing photoshopped photos of unattractive Swedes will not make me say "OH, my GOD what have I been thinking all this time? Look at these hideous people! Good thing for bookworms pictures and VC's articles to help me see the light!" Um, no. Yes, this is a debate site and we are most certainly allowed to disagree, but no one's going to persuade me to rethink a point of view when people are deliberately misleading because they don't like something Emily says.

Answer - if those people are just the small amount and I living in the fantasy dream then the documentary like national geography, discovery chanel would get a problem. many of what I say on here is from what I have watched in national geography. don't believe? you google the national geography site and read it.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html blonde and blue eyes aren't even originated in europe but asia. The thing is that the haplogroups I, R, J etc didn't originate in Scandinavia or Western Europe, they migrated there.

According to the map of light hair and eyes the lightest are the Eastern Swedish and Finns that are Eastern Europeans and they have high frequencies of N1c1 ( japanese and some north east asian have but most caucasian in southern europe which don't have blonde hair don't have this group) but that doesn't mean that the light eye and hair gene are connected with the N haplogroup.

I think that right now light hair are connected with R1a and I haplogroups, both very frequent in Eastern and Central Europe and they originated in the East
If you look at the light eyes and hair maps of Europe http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_of_europe.shtml#hair_colour hair_colour you will clearly see that north-central and north-eastern Europe are lighter than Western Europe.

In “Echoes of the Old Darkland” by Charles Finch III, MD by a doctor of medicine (Yale) the following is quoted: “We propose that the ... population that survived the last glaciations in southwestern Eurasia was largely a group of albinoids who were better adapted to the ecology than their darker relatives who had originally colonized the area. These latter were gradually replaced by albinoids, though small groups of African aboriginal types long persisted on the North Atlantic seaboard because of the availability of Vitamin-D-rich salt-water fish. This “goodness-of-fit” of the albinoids in this northern environment was due to the more efficient Vitamin D production and utilization in the whitened skin in these sunlight-deficient latitudes and better cold resistance.

The Ice Age had the practical effect of isolating this marginal group from other populations for a prolonged period, promoting a consanguinity that would have allowed the recessive albinoid genes to express and propagate themselves. Creation of a new race via depigmentation is consistent with the tendency in nature of new species and subspecies to form out of marginal groups that have become isolated from their “parent” populations and subjected more or less abruptly to extreme environmental conditions, which generate intense selection pressure.” (Op. cit. p. 35) Albinoid mutation seems as good a speculation since the fossil data and genetic data both seem to rule in favor of a common, Black African ancestry for all mankind.

which people are verify mongoloid?

Mongoloid" applies to physical traits and not to contemporary or historic definitions of racial or social groups. Some current terms for the latter are Asian, East Asian, Southeast Asian, and Oriental; however the range of Mongoloid does not correspond exactly to any one of these. In regards to "Asian", it can be said that North Asians, East Asians, and Southeast Asians are physically Mongoloid, however most South Asians are not, Central Europeans, Eastern Europeans, Central Asians tend to intermediate between Mongoloids and Caucasoids, and West Asians (Middle Easterners) are classified as Caucasoids. ( like godis said about the nasal, face's structure. the mediterraneans and middle easterns seem to have caucasoid facial features than the northern europeans)

The Mongoloid classification has long been debated as to whom it includes, even today. There has been much debate over what constitutes a race.

As a form of classification by Carleton S. Coon (1904-1981), "Mongoloid" includes the indigenous peoples of North Asia, East Asia, Southeast Asia, and some parts of Central Asia and South Asia. Most people from South Asia are usually classified as Caucasoid, while most of those from Central Asia as intermediate.

By extension, Mongoloid arguably includes Polynesians from the mid-Pacific Oceania, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, those of Greenland, some indigenous populations of Northern Europe (eg. the Sami of Finland) and some Eastern Europeans who are said to have Mongoloid admixture and whose cranial morphology (brachycephalicy, high zygomas, etc.) but not pigmentation (blondism, eye color, etc) more closely resemble those of Mongoloids than Caucasoids.

you may wanted to look at this link. it is easy to understand.

Q Haplotype #1

The haplotype below has few matches. Nonetheless, they fit the pattern for a haplotype with an Asiatic origin that was

incorporated into a Scandinavian population. This haplotype most likely entered Britain with the Vikings.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gallgaedhil/haplo_q.htm

both look the same though the one on the left appeared elegant and stand out because of her deep color.

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which one look older? both are the same age.
Caucasian woman and Asian woman.

Emily, seriously, get a grip. You must be PMSing. I don't understand your comparison of Asians with people with down syndrome. To me, they don't look anything A like! The Only likeness I see are the epicanthic folds, which are spread out widely acroos many populations, whatever the "race." Oh yeah, please don't put words in my mouth! I never said people should openly attack you! All I said was I am calling you on your bullshit, and yes that is what you spew. You spew hatred, not reality. You have this strange idea that your opinions equals reality. I am sorry honey but life doesn't work that way. You have provided not a shred of evidence (other than the lame pics you find on google) for your claims. At least VC can back up what he says. What about you? All you do is whine and cry that white people are being attacked just because people disagree with YOU. You seem like a very egocentric person, which is not a stretch since you are very ethnocentric.

And one thing that you need to learn to do is separate being realistic from being hateful and cruel. There is a difference in saying, "I typically don't find Asians attractive because of X, Y, Z..." and "I think Asians are ugly and looklike they have down syndrome."

There is also a difference in saying, "African women have lower concentrations of estrogen circulation in their blood than the typical European or Asian women. Hence, African women are less feminine," and "African girls have wild, wooly hair!"

Can you see the difference? I no, probably not, but I thought I would give it a shot.

Sometimes I wonder if you truly believe the shit you put out! I mean, it would be really sad if you didn't and you were just messing with us, but it would also be sad if you actually meant it. We need to take a poll on which is more sad, because I honestly cannot decide!

Once again Emily, no one is upset that you thing Nordic Women are on average, prettier than other girls. Kudos for you, two thumbs up, whatever you say. You are just such a mean spirited person when you state your opinions. I personally think you lack tact, but hey thats me, I don't really know you that well to say if that is one of your problems or not.

I have a novel idea, instead of retaliating whenever someone makes fun of the other makes fun of another ethnic group, why don't some of us try and take the higher road. It seems like we keeping going over and over the same old stuff. "Well Godis you said this," (and Godis, that wasn't right, but I do think you apologized), and "Oh Emily, you did that," can't we just move on!

I mean really, is anything being accomplished by all of this bickering? Really? Is anyone learning anything out of this? No!

But I mean, I guess it will continue until certain parties (*cough cough Emily, Callmewhateveryouwant[CMWEYW], Godis) learn to argue (I know what you're thinking Emily/Godis/CMWEYW, but *gasp! Calling names is not how people should debate).

See, a debate is an exchange of ideas and not of insults. I feel that if we approach things this way, then this will be productive and we can actually learn something.

I think I know why Erik is mostly silent, who wants to walk in on huge Cat fight?

bookworm, I get what you're saying and read your article, but just because there are blonde and/or blue eyed Asians doesn't mean the're the norm or average. I'm not saying, nor ever did say that your photos aren't of real or actual people, but to show these photos and then try to say that they represent a large percentage of Asians is false. I've searched far and wide myself for pictures of Asians with these traits and have found none, other than in articles that talk about the fact that the traits do exist, but rarely!

Mango, hopefully you do stay on the thread, I'm not sure where you come from, and how topics and discussions like these digress into argumments specificly, but as you can see here, oftentimes, people tend to play the player instead of the ball as well. Thanks again for being polite and open-minded.

answer - if that person find the large head, healthy black which difficult to fall out and look different than the animal fur or the nose holes which easy to breath in any kind of weathers, are better than the nordic traits.....you just simply can't change their minds eventhough you would kill them because of what they believe.

Your and other preferences aren't my businesses. If you prefer larger heads, flatter faces and coarse hair, it's your taste and I have not to do with that. However, you, Godis and VioletCorpus defend your point of view by spreading some lies. At least be honest. Simply say that you prefer asians because they have bigger heads, flatter faces, yellow skin, coarser hair and coarser traits. Saying that asians girls are more feminine because they have more refined traits is ridiculous.

Simply say: asian girls are more feminine because the have coarser traits and disproportional heads.

answer - I don't know which part of the brains you take to consider?.... for me she looks like a normal white woman and the eastern russian people don't look look different than nordic.

Since you use non-nordic finns and lapps as examples of what you consider to be nordic and white no wonder that you consider that NON-white girl to be white. I'm sorry but she doesn't look white and isn't white.

Russians are NOT nordic and eastern "russians" are heavily mixed with mongoloids. By the way, there are many ethnic groups living in Russian which are not true russian. Ukrainians for instance.

the girl with blonde hair is not even from russia. she is from kazakhstan as same as the one looks asian also kazakh.

As if the girl on the right were an example that one could find in every corner of Kazakhstan.

Congratulation, you find out that there are a few white people living in Kazakhstan and you cannot even prove whether the white girl on the photo is a tourist or not. lol

In any country where the population is heavily mixed it will be displayed overlaps between all races which make up the mix.

both look the same though the one on the left appeared elegant and stand out because of her deep color

And the girls on the right has a nose job, a chin implant and surgery in the eyes in order to approach the caucasian group. lol Her nose job is so dramatic that even the nostril turn out triangular

By the way, why do you always pick out nordic people with some degree of lappish admixture to use them as examples of pure nordics? Do you think people are not able to understand your agenda?

A thing I have notice since first day is that the "nordic" girls that you choose always have something mongoliform about them. You always try to avoid nordics which look 100% caucasoid. Your swedes and general nordic examples are either from very northern Scandinavia (heavily mixed with lapps); have some degree of finn admixture or are lapps or finns proper.

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answer - I find the thick black hair is stronger than the puffy blonde hair. I rarely have seen the asian men get bald. but many caucasian men loss their hair when they get older. caucasian men up to 80 percent of all white men will suffer from hair loss and male pattern baldness in part by the time they are 60 years. Hair loss can start any time after puberty. Caucasian men are more likely to lose hair than African or Asian men

lol. knowing that mongoloids can't have blond and thin hair, you now attack the baldness of white people. lol

which one look older? both are the same age.

Answering the question: the woman on the right look older

This woman below is swedish and she is around fifty years old. Well, she looks younger and better than your ugly asian milf.

Ehm...how can we know if any of these women have had plastic surgery?
Asian women love plastic surgery. 62 % of young women in Seoul have had plastic surgery.

Also, if one of them is a smoker she will age much quicker. Nothing destroys the looks of the teeth and skin like smoking, and especially if someone drinks regularly, too.

Bookworm;

"eastern russian people don't look look different than nordic."

lol Yes, they do.

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Bookworm;

"eastern russian people don't look look different than nordic."

lol Yes, they do.

Actually, bookworm is insanely trying to convince everyone that the result between a caucasoid and a mongoloid mix is a nordic.

That's why the "nordic" examples that she brings always look like this

Curiously, she always pick out examples of modified mongoloids which approach the caucasoid look (photoshop edition, mixed race central asians, plastic surgery) and present them as mongoloid diversity. That way she can make the balance between a "nordic" with lappish blood and a "mongoloid".

Instead of accept the fact the result between a caucasoid mix and mongoloid mix = central asians (something more logical), she prefer to believe that nordics are the real result between caucasoid and asian mix.

Emily,

Some of these photos are unfair and cannot be used to compare without bias.
For example that photo which i assume is women from north korea army.
The same could be said for the photo's of the people at the protest or whatever it was.
North koreans get food ratios which amount to mostly rice and potatos.
Vegetables and fruit are scarce and meat and fish are a luxury that they get maybe once or twice a year.
These people are severly undernourished and i can clearly see that off the faces of those women in army uniform.
European people would look like that too if they lived off a diet that didn't provide nutrients as nutrients are needed for healthy skin,hair,eyes etc.

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The photos of the cheerleaders and girls at parties and nightclubs are more fair.
I actually like the look of these Asian girls more then these swedish girls

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but these girls i find more prettier then all the above

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Some of the bodies on the asian girls you posted dont seem to me to be "underdeveloped".A couple perhaps do but some don't.
White women can have this type of body too and i don't consider it underdeveloped

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A woman doesnt have to have big breasts and big bottom to be feminine.According to that perception,women like Kim kardashian would be classed feminine but would any one really call this feminine?

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Its true plastic surgery is popular in some asian countries but there are feminine/beautiful people there without it too but numbers wise, as an overall population, nordic people would be more attractive.

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Callmewhateveryouwant,

Femininity is femininity .It is not restricted to whether someone looks child-like, youthful,cute, mature or motherly etc.
You could argue that a girlish look is a certain type of femininity and a mature/womanly look is another type if someone is really anally retentive but really, who cares?
This site is about feminine beauty and that can be seen looking at someones face whether child or adult and regardless what "look' they have.

Emily,

Having the Down's syndrome pictures up to me is just really wrong.
I guess your point is that many Down's syndrome children have slanted eyes and that alot of asians have slanted eyes too so your speculating is there some genetic abnormality similarity.
Well, it could also be said that many Downs syndrome children have wide-set eyes and quite a few models like Gemma Ward have very wide-set eyes so would that also mean that that they both share some genetic abnormality similarity too?
I strongly doubt it for either.

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Children with Downs syndrome have got such beautiful,harmless and innocent spirits.
To me,if the choice had to be between being stunning beyond measure and having a horrible personality and soul or the preciousness of a sweet innocent spirit in Down's syndrome i would pick Down's syndrome.
These children truly are precious and special.I know for sure that none of the children with down's syndrome would be writing some of the caustic commentaries on this site whether directed to Asians,Nords,Indians,Slavs or otherwise.
It really would be nice to see no more pictures on here of children with disabilities for the purposes of comparing beauty and looks.
Its nice to discuss beauty but we have to keep it in perspective with the more important things in life.

Callmewhateveryouwant :

answer : the picture of the girl which you think she was asian and done the nose job is Uzbek. I don't even think there has plastic surgery there and most uzbek don't have flat nose like asians. even the native the americans don't have flat nose.

according to the picture of kazakh girl I posted and you said she was not kazakh but ukranian. I don't know what nationality she is though the person who took a picture said himself she is kzakh.

you said I claimed scandinavians have got mongoloid blood?

answer : I only say thing what I've seen on their faces. we are all know most white women tend to have narrow face and weak jaw. it is very difficult to find one with a board face and large jaw. that aren't caucasoid trait but seems many swedish women do have such a trait?
just take a look at a picture of the so-called erin nordgrende, swedish model taking a picture with her biracial black-asian husband and tell between her face and her husband face which one is more gracile and delicate?.......erin clearly has got a board face with some square-element like off the mongoloid people? her black husband is on the other hand. he has almost no cheeksbone and jaw. erin's head is also appeared larger than tiger wood while her nose is so tiny and flat for such a large head she has. yes, I guess many asians do have large head but they don't seem to have larger head than erin erin nordegren. because they don't have a caucasian jaw, which when it sets on the mongoloid head make the face appeared larger and masculine like erin.

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now take a look at the beautiful swedish royal princess? I have found her pic in the website www.womenlargejaws.com is that feminine huh?

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she also has got extremely large strong neck than any women I have seen in my life. if she had no hair I would mistaken her as some viking male. what's large boned woman with even thick neck muscles.
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all in all I find arnold schwarzenegger turned feminine after I seen such a robust swedish women.

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I have never seen white woman with this type of nose before, sincerely......her nose is very asian.

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wow! this one almost native hawaiian or south pacific.
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but you can be sure that I'm not a meant person. I find every races have beautiul people and I like the look of all races and I find this swedish girl looks pretty in my perspective. however, I don't find its good you all judge the other races as inferior and primitive to the white race. I really don't know how do your parents brought you up? but many people on here like "callmewhatyouwant and emily" aren't sounded like a good person at all for me.

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Bookworm asked "which one look older? both are the same age."

Bookwork,

The blonde looks older but i dont think it has anything to do with hair colour or nationality.Other factors come into it too like how well a person looks after their skin,being wealthy and being able to go to beauty salons, being able to afford beauty treatments and good skincare or being poor and not being able to,sun exposure,smoking,drinking,sleep,stress,depression,nutrient intake.

The one with brown hair does look really good though and has aged well.

Eastern Russian people do look different from Nordic people.Just as equally beautiful but look different,There are exceptions of course.

"White women can have this type of body too and i don't consider it underdeveloped"

What's that supposed to mean? Everyone can have everything. That doesn't make it the norm or the standard. White women have adult, normal, developed and curvy bodies that exude femininity. Asians on average really don't. That's the difference. White women don't appear as permanent pubescent girls with over-sized, flat heads and unappealing eyes.

This is the by far most common and typical asian body type. This is simply not feminine, and this is the standard - not the exception.

Japanese;

We like hips, breast, waist and nice feminine curves;

Swede;

There are those who are more thin and less curvy but they look proportionate and not odd;

and a nice non-flat profile is prettier;

An asian person wouldn't consider it underdeveloped, naturally, but they too would prefer a more curvy body. That is why asians go to the plastic surgeon so often and reconstruct their faces and body. They want a more adult and feminine face and body.

The asian cheerleaders lack curves and developed adult feminine bodies. Anyone can see that.

And those women are chosen for their appeal so it really says a lot.

The Swedish girls are making faces so you really could say it's unfair to compare them, but of course, you didn't say that, and you excluded the group photo where they did not . lol Instead you made the asians pictures smaller which benefitted them since you don't see the mongoloid eyes as much.

The new picture you show of asian cheerleaders is questionable since at least the ones in the upper row middle have breast implants. I realize asians need help in that department but it's not the way nature made most of them.

To me, the eyes are the most important feature we have. Warm, sweet, loving and expressive eyes ar ethe mos timportan tthing. That is why asians don't look expressive and warm. Their eye shape and colour prevents this, unless they have plastic saurgery. That says a lot about a race, if the eyes are so hopeless that you have to "open" them up in order to get a true expression out of them.

Asian cheerleaders. Curves and some height would really help their looks, I think, and of course less mongoloid features.;

I prefer this;

To this;

This photo actually is very good in that it shows how ordinary East Asians often look. To me these girls look well-nourished and have good teeth, for example. They look like millions of other young asian girls.

This is an asian girl from Sweden. She is thin. So she should be excluded then, too, right? lol After all, maybe she only eats an orange a day and that makes her malnourished which in turn makes her eyes mongoloid and her head big. ;)

I guess she must be N. Korean too. Malnourished and suffering, for sure. Is this the new non-argument to use on well-nourished, normal asians? You just can't stand the truth so there must be some kind of weird explanation. The truth is that asians look like that.

Well-nourished Swedish girls who should be excluded since they probably don't eat good food so you really cannot tell how they look at all.

Common asian eye type before surgery;

..and after;

Japanese. I just don't find this race attractive, on average.

Mango is not me actually. When I first read her post my first thought was, "Wow they are going to think she is me" mainly because she mentioned her Swedish friend was jealous of her Romanian friend, or something like that.

I actually don't agree with Mango when it comes to the blonde hair thing. I will adress that later.

Kant is one of my favorite philosiphers but he is a popular philosipher known and quoted by many. To say she is me because she quoted Kant is just weak logic. Besides, Kant believed that true beauty should not be associated with anything sexual. If you believed something was beautiful because of your sexual attraction to it, he didn't believe you were seeing something beautiful. To him, you have to put away the sexual meaning behind something before you could see its "true" beauty. Therefore, most of Kant's quotes regarding beauty do not apply to this site. This site is primarily about sexual attraction. Kant's definition of beauty does not include sexual attraction. That is why I believe this site shouldn't even be called feminine beauty, because it focuses on sexual attraction. Beauty is truly a whole other realm. But, I have to say I sort of disagree with Kant. I believe that you could see something as beautiful even if there is a underlying sexual element to it. However, I believe it should be subtle. It shouldn't be like wow she is beautiful BOING! Get it?

Sorry, you guys said either nikki or mango was me. I don't remember and I don't feel like going back and looking! Either way I am not her.

I've always kind of wondered this. Now Emily claims that the best of the best Nordic men, would only go for Nordic women, since Nordic women are the best of the best women...

So, I wonder why President Kennedy, the most attractive, articulate, and also one of the most powerful men at the time married a woman like Jackie Kennedy?

Jackie Kennedy was far from Nordic. She had what Emily would like to call a basketball head? A big broad round head. Jackie Kennedy also had extremely far set eyes. She also had a pretty broad nose. Jackie Kennedy also had boring brown hair and brown eyes. Her skin wasn't all that as white as Nordic skin either. I believe Jackie was of French decent.

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Now, I do wonder why such a powerful intelligent handsome and charismatic man, like Kennedy, didn't pick a NORDIC woman to father his children. Afterall, didn't he want them to be just as intelligent charismatic and beautiful as him? Why would he pick the rather un-Nordic, unfeminine, Jackie?

Tell me Emily, did Jackie trick him into sharing his Nordic genes with her. LMAO! Or did he find something charming of Jackie Kennedy's rather uncommon beauty. Because she was not classically beautiful with her broad face and nose. However, she was still a classic beauty. There is something very charming about the way Jackie looks. Her far set eyes, her wide face...

you said I claimed scandinavians have got mongoloid blood?

answer : I only say thing what I've seen on their faces. we are all know most white women tend to have narrow face and weak jaw. it is very difficult to find one with a board face and large jaw. that aren't caucasoid trait but seems many swedish women do have such a trait?

All this according to you. Broad and narrow face are non-racial traits. You are making up facts there. All population on Earth range from narrow to broad. Even the indians that you claim to be fully caucasoid are mostly broad-faced. All traits are inside an average.

The perception of broad and narrow is very relative. It's a relation between height and width. A girl with a short face will appear to have a broader face and a girl with a long face will appear to have a narrower face. However, if one measures the width of both face the narrow face can surprisingly show a greater width.

Asians have massive faces and heads stuck to a little body. Even when their faces are narrow (greater height), they are still massive. Before you talk about the head size of the swedes you, should first notice that swedes are a tall people. On another hand, a 150 cm asian has a head which is bigger than a 180 cm swede. If it's not a anomaly, I don't know how to call that.

I'll help you even more

This picture represents two swedish girls and a middle east woman. I edited it, but all of them are part of the same photo. So, the proportions are exactly the same 1:1. Notice how bigger and massive is the the middle east woman head in relation to the heads of the two swedish girls. I chose this photograph to show you that even a arab/middle east person, which, according to you, are more caucasoid than nordics, can have heads which are super broad and massive.

I have never seen white woman with this type of nose before, sincerely......her nose is very asian

I'd also like to know how many classifications you have for asian noses. It's seems that all noses look asian to you.

Girl, nothing in this world gets more caucasoid than nordics. Swedes are actually super caucasoid. In fact you are mistaking cute and youthful features for asian admixture.

A super caucasoid swedish girl

A super caucasoid swedish man

Some few swedes have lappish admixture. That's why some of them show a pseudo mongoloid aura around them. However, you don't accept it. Instead, you try to pass swedes with lappish admixture as true nordics.

Bookworm wrote:

answer : I only say thing what I've seen on their faces. we are all know most white women tend to have narrow face and weak jaw. it is very difficult to find one with a board face and large jaw. that aren't caucasoid trait but seems many swedish women do have such a trait?
just take a look at a picture of the so-called erin nordgrende, swedish model taking a picture with her biracial black-asian husband and tell between her face and her husband face which one is more gracile and delicate?.......erin clearly has got a board face with some square-element like off the mongoloid people? her black husband is on the other hand. he has almost no cheeksbone and jaw. erin's head is also appeared larger than tiger wood while her nose is so tiny and flat for such a large head she has. yes, I guess many asians do have large head but they don't seem to have larger head than erin erin nordegren. because they don't have a caucasian jaw, which when it sets on the mongoloid head make the face appeared larger and masculine like erin.

Answer: Now you are contradicting yourself. You first said that white women have weak jaws and after you said that the mongoloid head plus a caucasoid jaw makes a woman look masculine (now they have broad jaws)

Godis wrote

Jackie Kennedy was far from Nordic. She had what Emily would like to call a basketball head? A big broad round head. Jackie Kennedy also had extremely far set eyes. She also had a pretty broad nose. Jackie Kennedy also had boring brown hair and brown eyes. Her skin wasn't all that as white as Nordic skin either. I believe Jackie was of French decent.

Notice how her head was still totally proportional to her body size

The Nordics are made up by people with narrow and squarish heads. Jackie Kennedy didn't have a massive head, she just had a squarish head. We are not picking on the asian head shape. Actually we are calling attention for the hugeness of their head. No matter whether it's narrow or square, their heads are mostly ever huge and disproportional in any circumstance.

Girl, one can easily identify a mongoloid even standing 1 km away

We can't say the same about that girl
http://www.femininebeauty.info/sites/default/files/imagepicker/others//u12737851.jpg

Size sometimes is very relative.

See this african woman. She apparently looks very soft, delicate and fine.

The same woman standing beside a white man. Look how her head structure look massive in relation to even a caucasoid MAN.

Emily,

Actually i stated that i found two pictures of swedish girls more attractive then the swedish cheerleaders and the asian cheerleaders.
Im wondering if your only seeing what you want to see because you completely left that out.You seemed to ignore parts of my comments that were favourable to swedes and just picked up the parts you didn't like.
You also ignored or perhaps didnt see that i suggested that it wasnt good for anyone to write such caustic comments directed to any nationality INCLUDING nords.

If you also looked at my comment to bookworm you would see that i said that nords along with east russians are beautiful though each in different ways.

You took my comments with a incredible amount of suspicion without even realising that i think many nordic women are feminine and beautiful and i appreciate nordic beauty.Many have beautiful hair,eyes and skin tone.Dont ignore what i just wrote and then attack from suspicion that everyone hates the "awful truth" and is trying to bring your race down.
My point was that i find some swedish women feminine and i also find some asian-mainly chinese,taiwan,vietnamese women feminine too.
Apart from some i guess could seem "underdeveloped" to me many of their bodies are petite and slight.To you,you might consider that all underdeveloped.
I have my opinion and you have yours and i'm not going to change your opinion and your not going to change mine.

You also conveniently ignored or overlooked that i actually said that numbers wise,as a population, nordic women were more attractive to me ie:there are more beautiful,feminine nordic women then asians.
Now would someone say that who has a hidden agenda,is a nord hater,and hates the truth as you seemed to accused me to be?
No,they would say all asians are beautiful,swedes are ugly etc and try to pick the worse,most biased pictures they could find.
They certainly wouldn't be saying that they find nordic women as a general population more attractive.

You can't seem to understand that someone can find more then one nationality or look attractive and that it doesn't have to be a competition.
I'm neither swedish nor chinese,korean but croatian and can objectively say that i appreciate the beauty in swedes,chinese,koreans and other nationalities too of course.
When your secure in yourself you don't feel threatened and you would have no reason to feel that way because your probably more beautiful and feminine then most people.

As for comments of putting up the photo of the cheerleaders pulling the funny faces thats getting too suspicious.I didnt specifically choose that one out because of them pulling faces.I just downloaded one and put it one the page.
I could have put the other one up and to me my opinion would still be the same and your opinion would still be the same.
I also left photos of asians that i didnt put up too.I didn't sit there and scrutinise each photos in fine detail so i could pick them according to my biases lol.
I also didnt make the photos smaller.I always put ALL photos at times 400 regardless and how they turn out is how they turn out.

You also hastily and sarcastically made assumptions that i would say that the asian girls from sweden should be excluded too and would say that they were malnourished instead of actually asking me.If you had of actually asked me instead of attacking i would have told you that those photos are totally fair and any other photos of asians or other living in sweden was fair too because they have very good living standards.
I was only saying that it isn't fair to compare women from north korea who really are all malnourished.Look it up what they live like.Also for anyone else who is living in poor conditions.

Emily,i get the feeling that you would be suspicious and catty even if someone agreed with you which is what i actually was doing in part.I find many swedish women very beautiful especially the photo of the girl that Bookworm uploaded.
Personally though i also believe in God and i believe that he made beauty in many different packages and nationalities both outside and inside.
Femininities good topic,but it shouldn't be taken this seriously.

Emily,

Actually i stated that i found two pictures of swedish girls more attractive then the swedish cheerleaders and the asian cheerleaders.
Im wondering if your only seeing what you want to see because you completely left that out.You seemed to ignore parts of my comments that were favourable to swedes and just picked up the parts you didn't like.
You also ignored or perhaps didnt see that i suggested that it wasnt good for anyone to write such caustic comments directed to any nationality INCLUDING nords.

If you also looked at my comment to bookworm you would see that i said that nords along with east russians are beautiful though each in different ways.

You took my comments with a incredible amount of suspicion without even realising that i think many nordic women are feminine and beautiful and i appreciate nordic beauty.Many have beautiful hair,eyes and skin tone.Dont ignore what i just wrote and then attack from suspicion that everyone hates the "awful truth" and is trying to bring your race down.
My point was that i find some swedish women feminine and i also find some asian-mainly chinese,taiwan,vietnamese women feminine too.
Apart from some i guess could seem "underdeveloped" to me many of their bodies are petite and slight.To you,you might consider that all underdeveloped.
I have my opinion and you have yours and i'm not going to change your opinion and your not going to change mine.

You also conveniently ignored or overlooked that i actually said that numbers wise,as a population, nordic women were more attractive to me ie:there are more beautiful,feminine nordic women then asians.
Now would someone say that who has a hidden agenda,is a nord hater,and hates the truth as you seemed to accused me to be?
No,they would say all asians are beautiful,swedes are ugly etc and try to pick the worse,most biased pictures they could find.
They certainly wouldn't be saying that they find nordic women as a general population more attractive.

You can't seem to understand that someone can find more then one nationality or look attractive and that it doesn't have to be a competition.
I'm neither swedish nor chinese,korean but croatian and can objectively say that i appreciate the beauty in swedes,chinese,koreans and other nationalities too of course.
When your secure in yourself you don't feel threatened and you would have no reason to feel that way because your probably more beautiful and feminine then most people.

As for comments of putting up the photo of the cheerleaders pulling the funny faces thats getting too suspicious.I didnt specifically choose that one out because of them pulling faces.I just downloaded one and put it one the page.
I could have put the other one up and to me my opinion would still be the same and your opinion would still be the same.
I also left photos of asians that i didnt put up too.I didn't sit there and scrutinise each photos in fine detail so i could pick them according to my biases lol.
I also didnt make the photos smaller.I always put ALL photos at times 400 regardless and how they turn out is how they turn out.

You also hastily and sarcastically made assumptions that i would say that the asian girls from sweden should be excluded too and would say that they were malnourished instead of actually asking me.If you had of actually asked me instead of attacking i would have told you that those photos are totally fair and any other photos of asians or other living in sweden was fair too because they have very good living standards.
I was only saying that it isn't fair to compare women from north korea who really are all malnourished.Look it up what they live like.Also for anyone else who is living in poor conditions.

Emily,i get the feeling that you would be suspicious and catty even if someone agreed with you which is what i actually was doing in part.I find many swedish women very beautiful especially the photo of the girl that Bookworm uploaded.
Personally though i also believe in God and i believe that he made beauty in many different packages and nationalities both outside and inside.

Femininities good topic,but it shouldn't be taken this seriously.

It is very interesting to me how Emily posts photos of Anita Eckberg claiming, "We like curves, blah blah blah", when she scrutinized my body for being slighlty overweight. First of all I have a similar body type to Anita. The only difference is that IS similar to my body when I am overweight, and that is Anita's body at a pretty normal weight for her. So her body is naturally just bigger than mine. She appears taller and bigger boned than me. When I am on the thin side I have her body only smaller and more delicate. I have to say when I am thinner my body is even curvier, because my breast weight settles and my waist is tiny when skinny. Either way, I don't understand why Emily and Barberella scrutinized my body. I had some fat here and there but overall it was still a pretty shapely hourglass body. It wasn't even at the point where I gained so much weight I was shapeless, although close.

Either way, they claimed false things like, "You tend to put on weight." They know shit. If they ate what I ate on a daily basis I'm pretty sure they would be 100lbs overweight not 20lbs. I had trouble gaining weight as a teenager, and although my metabolism slowed once I got around 18, it is still a good metabolism especially since I effed up my metabolism from a long time ago. Besides I have had small periods in my life when I ate healthy and really took care of myself. I looked my best then, with the right amoutn of fat in the right places. I just love how Emily and Barberella attacked my body the way they did, and then Emily posts a photo of a "curvy" Anita Ekberg. Ok.

And I'm sure in response to this she's going to post the worst photos of me she creepily saved to her computer. Well, I'll post the better ones. And I lost 10lbs for your information and I'm debating whether I should post any photos up EVER again or whether I SHOULD post some right now or whether I should wait until I get to my ideal weight...

I just want to show Emily she is WRONG about me. I am not jealous. I am an average girl. I guess I'm a pretty girl with a nice body. That's all. I have no reason to be jealous about anything.

Anita Ekberg: The photo Emily repeats as a sign of the curvy and feminine women in Sweden:

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Me overweight:

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Me slightly (Emily thinks there is a huge diff. but there isn't) thinner. At this point I was still not at my ideal weight, I think anyone can tell that:

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So, how is my body revolting, while Anita's is curvy and beautiful according to Emily? Is there a bias there? Because I actually think that my body even overweight is more delicate than Anita's...

My face is also more rounded off and less angular than Anita's. But I'm revolting and she is a symbol of femininity! OK!

Yes,

Scandinavia consists of TONS of blondes. No they don't dye their hair! It's all natural. I get highlights so I must not be a REAL blonde, I must be a FAKE blonde. Because there is no such thing as blonde hair getting darker with age. You know, not in Scandinavia. Well, this chick sure has some roots if that is true:

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You know I don't even dye my hair. I just get highlights over my natural color. I don't need to dye it to make it appear blonde. I just need highlights to add a lighter element to it. I also get it because I have a ton(too much) of fine limp hair, and it lifts it. But no I must be a fake blonde. Ok.

The conclusion: Emily is biased.

I still curious one thing. the saami, Finn and Estonian have got mongoloid blood but how come they have got very blonde hair?....many of the estonian people aren't even blonde but almost white hair. the mediterraneans and the arabs seem to have more caucasoid features but you have never seen them have blonde hair except the one who with the nordic features. for example, board face, short small nose and stright hair. those with these traits seem to have blonder hair than the one with a strong caucasian features. my curiousity is going to be... if they didn't have a blonde hair because of they have something in their blood involved the mongoloid in central asia so what reason could it be?

Saami girls.
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and most original blonde regardless of the race or ethnicity seem to share the same facial pattern. a
short small nose, round or board face.

Estonian singer.
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now look at the cuban-american celebrity sarah pacton.

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do anyone notice same similarly things in their faces?
syrian girl.
blonde syrian

or the blonde spanish like this girl.
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this is a picture of the some people on flickr. he told me this is a picture of his niece. he is hazara. -the Hazara are primarily a mixture of afghan or middle eastern and mongol people. I have seen a picture of his daughter she looks caucasian but he doesn't allow me to put her pic on here except the picture of his niece.

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Godis,

No one says Swedish girls never dye their hair a lighter blonde tone. That doesn't change the fact that many don't, and many have naturally wheat blonde hair. My hair for isntance is a natural golden/honey blonde tone. Your arguments are a tad bit immature.

The photos of you show a not toned, overweight body. I don't mind some overweight, but your photo just isn't attractive, not now and not the other ten times you showed it here.

You looked great before so I hope you quit food binging, or whatever it is you do since you gained so much weight in just a few months. The Swedish woman is sculptural and toned in that photo. You just don't compare at all, I'm sorry.

mary;

The reality is that some people here find it hard to adjust to real, candid photos of asians. They try to invent any ridiculous excuse not to accept those photos, even if that is the reality of what asians look like. To me, this is just admitting that there is a problem with asian looks.

It's funny, when I post photos of Swedes the argument is that they are too well-off and now the argument is they are too poor so those asians are not valid examples. Pure desperation, in other words.

These are photos of South Koreans, since you find North Koreans to be so invalid. I wonder if they would agree with you. My feeling is that North Koreans would be deeply insulted by your words.

Since 62% of young women in Seoul have undergone plastic surgery according to one survey (double eyelid and nose job being the two most popular ones) I think photos of North Koreans can be more truthful sometimes since they are more natural.

South Koreans;

Notice the larger and more open eyes of the girl standing in the back next to the white guy? Even if you cannot say for sure that they are fake this IS exactly what plastic surgery-altered asian eyes look like (see my photos of before and after p.s.). That is the problem with South Korean photos. The girls in the front are more natural.

Notice the more gracile and refined face of the white woman. Asians have very large, round, puffy and coarse faces so they will often look more heavy-set and less refined. I have seen this so often now so I can say that the claim that asians are more refined is a myth. They are actually more coarse.

The white teacher below is much older, but she still looks more refined and less coarse;

Another example;

There is little sculptural qualities in the asian face, and in profile they just disappear. I actually don't mind their tiny underdeveloped bodies and the over-sized heads so much, but their eyes it the definite deal-breaker for me.

I love sensitive, warm, expressive and well-formed eyes, and I think their importance is vital. Asian eyes often don't say anything. They are generally unexpressive and emotionless, and black.

S. Korean women soldiers.

This one is probably of S. Koreans, too, actually.

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Godis, don't you think that Anita Eckberg's shoulders are too big? I think they are alright but isn't that masculine?

Emily - the asians in south east asia and south asia don't have epicanthic folds. I will show you something.

Thai celebrity) burmese) indonesian
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this one is thai celebrity she is not even part white. her grandfather is east indian.
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indonesian.
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I think this filipino woman is very pretty as well.
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malay child.

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I still curious one thing. the saami, Finn and Estonian have got mongoloid blood but how come they have got very blonde hair?

Maybe because they don't have mongoloid blood. Furthermore, Most saamis have both black hair and black eyes. lol you trust so much in your google searches. You like to define a race of a country by looking at the twenty first google results.

this woman is totally caucasoid

she has high nose bone; has deep eye socket; has a pointy chin; doesn't have prognathism; her face isn't flat; she doesn't have epicanthic fold

You just say that she's got mongoloid blood because she has short nose and straight hair. lol south europeans also have straight hair.

the mediterraneans and the arabs seem to have more caucasoid features but you have never seen them have blonde hair except the one who with the nordic features.

Why arabs are more caucasoid? Many arabs are still at some extent a transition between negroid and caucasoid and they usually display that. Nothing gets more caucasoid than nordics and europeans. Arabs are somehow primitive caucasoid. Many have sunken glabella and undeveloped chin just like negroids.

lol you just think that arabs are more caucasoid because they have longer noses.

for example, board face, short small nose and stright hair. those with these traits seem to have blonder hair than the one with a strong caucasian features.

However, doesn't the nappy hair of arabs make them less caucasoid and more negroid?

my curiousity is going to be... if they didn't have a blonde hair because of they have something in their blood involved the mongoloid in central asia so what reason could it be?

Maybe because they don't have mongoloid blood.

allmewhatyouwant : I will show you a picture of the blonde anglo-saxon which I find she looks fully caucasoid. ...anyway like I said at period. even among the anglo-saxon women. the blonde one also tend to have round face and a short small nose as the blonde nordic. its quite dificult to see the blonde with a high nasal and narrow face. anyway I think the girl in this picture below looks fully caucasian.

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Everything that you bring is fake

rounded face and wide set eyes

nose job

lol this guy is probably a tourist

this woman has epicanthic fold

indians do have white admixture. mainly north indians.

the picture of the girl aboved this comment is dutch celebrity. I think she seems to be the only one blonde that have narrow face and a well-developed chin. the less of them that I have seen all fall into the same category of the blonde nordic with the round face or the chubby oval face.
example below.

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callmewhat you want :

that guy is comes from southern of thailand. he isn't tourist he is thai actor. I found his pic in the asian celelebrity board.

and to thai woman picture. I don't know how you consider which people has got epicanthic folds? her eyes appeared large in my perspective.

callmewhatyouwant : by the way have you ever heard of ainu people? I think their men are cool too and have a mascular shape.

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all in all as I have stated at period. I like all people of all races. no matter round, chubby, square, narrow or long face are look nice to me. this estonian singer is my favourit singer. I know she looks fully caucasoid but she is estonian. do you think the estonians don't have mongoloid blood like the Fins?

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allmewhatyouwant : I will show you a picture of the blonde anglo-saxon which I find she looks fully caucasoid. ...anyway like I said at period. even among the anglo-saxon women. the blonde one also tend to have round face and a short small nose as the blonde nordic. its quite dificult to see the blonde with a high nasal and narrow face. anyway I think the girl in this picture below looks fully caucasian.

Of course, all your pictures of blonds are of front view. Curiously you have no side view to prove your point.

Nordics are far more caucasoid than arabs and south asians.

No matter what you say. Nothing in this world gets more caucasoid than nordics

Arabs and south asians are incomplete caucasoid. As if they were still developing their caucasoid traits.

the picture of the girl aboved this comment is dutch celebrity. I think she seems to be the only one blonde that have narrow face and a well-developed chin. the less of them that I have seen all fall into the same category of the blonde nordic with the round face or the chubby oval face.
example below.

chubby and round are not racial traits. You are a new level of ignorance.

all nordics that you have posted so far are more caucasoid than all your south asians and arab examples.

as for your thai actor it's pretty obvious he is not fully thai

looks mulatto

[img]do you think the estonians don't have mongoloid blood like the Fins?

finns don't have mongoloid blood.

Godis, you said numerous times that you liked Kant, you said "My favorite philosopher's Kant." Now, you're saying that you disagree, it's not my concern why you change your mind.

I eat whatever I want, whenever I want, and never gain a pound. I've got an hourglass shape except I don't have any extra weight on my frame. I think that a .67 WHR is feminine, yet slender. I think it looks preferable to an hourglass that's not toned. I'm sure that you'd like to think that I'd get fat easily, for your own amusement. Sorry to disappoint you. That's not the case at all. I take pride in my appearance. If you think that your body even comes close to comparing to Anita Ekberg than you need to lay off the crack pipe! LOL!! Do you even understand how ridiculous you sound comparing yourself to her? She was tall, yet proportionate. Even if her frame is "bigger" than yours, she still had a leaner, toned appearance.

You continue to add laughter to my day, oh thank you Godis!

No more photos, either, Godis!! For the love of all that's holy, please no more!!

I'd hate for you to do that, and than come back from Hawaii, with photos of my own, just to show you how grossly ignorant you are. I'll be sure to do that, just so you know that you should be embarassed for EVER having accused me of being jealous.

I'm seriously contemplating this so that this fool shuts the F*** up, once and for all!!

Aloha, everyone, see you in a week and a half!!

Godis, if you were only "slightly" thinner, then please explain why the belt that fit around your hips now has to be worn higher, on your waist, with what appears to be the same amount of the overlap of the belt left? What it appears to be is that your waist is now approximately the same circumfrence as what your hips used to be. Did you think no one would notice that? Is this an indication that your waist now has a measurement comparable to what your hips used to be, which means that your hips are proprtionately larger as well? That's what I see, with absolutely no bias. It is a picture, and it can only be interpreted ONE way, in terms of how the belt fits.

Once again, it amuses me to think that a comparison to Anita Ekberg is relevent. You, godis, and she, Anita, have entirely different proportions. Added height means that extra weight is less noticable. Godis, I'm glad to hear that you're working on getting to your ideal weight. When and if you do, give yourself a pat on the back, ok. And do NOT criticize me for having certain preferences. You state what you prefer, don't you? I happen to prefer a more toned, slender look, and think that women generally look better when they're at their ideal weight. I believe that it was you who posted photos of Christine Hendricks, and then said that you felt she looked much better at a smaller size, which is true. It usually is. Just because I said that I thought you looked much better in the white skirt is no reason to get defensive. Once again, not that it matters in the case of someone as dense as you, but, if you don't welcome the criticism of your recent photos, then don't keep posting them.

Finally, I think you're seriously disturbed. You HOPE that Emily and I would gain weight by eating as much as you. That's typical. Godis needs people to look bad so that she can look comparativley good, I guess. She has an obsession with Emily, if it isn't evident by now. She needs Emily's approval of her figure. She NEEDS Emily to believe she has blonde hair, pale skin, and whatever else it is she's been trying to convince Emily of (for months). If someone doesn't think she's hot, they're either biased or gay(if they're a guy). She thinks that no other woman on this thread could possibly have as feminine a physique as she. She keeps accusing people of being creepy by saving her photos, but then keeps reposting and reposting and reposting them!! Godis, your photos haven't changed, nor has the perceptions of them either. I know that it gives you some sick, creepy comfort for you to picture me, or Emily as masculine, or overweight. I can affirm that I'm neither. And you'll finally get your wish, pictures of Barberella, in a bikini. Not fat, not at all masculine. I'm happy to say that I get to spend the next 10 days in paradise, while Godis wishes for people to be ugly so she can be pretty in comparison. How sad that is.

To me, asians are childlike, unfinished. A girl that is twelve has almost the same body as the one who is 25.

They are very short, flat, with poor hip development and tiny breasts. This is contrary to everything that adult femininity is about. There is the femininity of a gir,l and then there is the femininity of the sexual, fully-developed woman.

This is not feminity - it is arrested development. Pubescent girls..are they feminine? No, because they are not developed yet. If we take people who have no body and call them feminine why not call children feminine? We don't call children feminine since we instinctively know that we sexualize children if we do.

The exact same thing applies to asian women since they have the exact same look as pubescent white girls.

Do you know what is the difference between these white pubescent girls and the Thai pubescent girls? The Thai girls will look the same when they are 23. That is lack of evolvement.

The difference between adult and child should be greater. You shouldn't have to ask yourself if this is a pubescent girl or a woman.

Typical asian body, around 5' "tall" (minus probable breast implants);

Anita Ekberg, Nordic girl. You never have to ask yourself if she is a minor or a woman. A man doesn't need to ask a girl like her to show her driver's license.

Whites and asians don't compare. White women look like real women, and actually have a body.

Emile : the nordic women have got a good shape when they are young I know. I got the relative who had pretty good shape and she turned to be mrs. piggy after gave birth a babies. the asians seem different.

look at this thai model. this is her shape before married. she looks like she is skinny.
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this is a picture after she gave birth a child. she married a european man. both of the kids in the picture are her childrens.
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her shape turned to look like the caucasian women.
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GODIS FOR THE LOVE OF FREAKING ALL THAT IS HOLY YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

Please listen to me. Stop listening to the catty racists and listen to me now. I might be one of the only people you converse with who happens to know what humans look like so stop and listen. There is nothing wrong with your body. You are not fat. You are thin. You are actually thinner then the average female. Even your "Fat" pictures are thinner then the average woman in the western world. You are doing serious damage to your mental health by listening to these people and posting your picture for them to see. You have nothing to prove. Women will never be kind to you because they are in competition with you. You refuse to remove yourself from that competition so you will be forever locked in a destructive cycle with these women. Stop competing with women. It is not healthy. If you must compete do it in a meaningful way such as work or sports. You need to walk away from these people. They are as crazy as you. Go seek comfort from your family or whoever it is in this world that loves you.

Bookworm,

Try not to use the fake studio portraits of plastical surgery altered half white models and show them off as asians. They are unrepresentative. All you do is telling people that real asians aren't good enough as examples of asians.

You also used Swedish Princess Victoria as an example of an ethnic Swede - which she is not, even if she has Nordic blood, too. The royal Swedish Bernadotte family is originally French, and Victoria's grand mother on her mother's side is Brazilian.

Actually, non of the royal children look particularly Swedish. Here is their brother, Prince Carl Philip;

Their sister is blue-eyed Madeleine who looks a little more ethnically Swedish.

Let's look at some photos of Thai princesses. Not exactly a sight for the gods, I'd say.

And a Japanese princess;

EMILY! Try not to be an ugly nordic racist eh?

Emilie, the thing that I trying to say is the white women get a good shape when they are young and they are get fat after a pregnancy. the asian women are skinny and retain a few extra pounds after having a baby, and most keep some of their extra curves which make them get a better shape.

here. I will show you a picture of one of my relative. she is pretty in any cases, although she is quite fat now ater gave birth a baby.

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No offense but your relative looks fairly large pre-pregnancy. Most women lose their baby weight pretty quick barring they aren't overeaters by nature. Most western women are food addicts and eat pure garbage. Of course they are going to gain weight. it is a myth that pregnancy weight somehow completely changes a woman's shape and she is forever tainted by it. Furthermore you are a complete asshole for putting her picture on this website. If she ok's it then it's fine but otherwise you have no right whatsoever to subject her to that kind of scrutiny.

bookworm, women of all races can get out of shape and overweight after childbirth. It is not just white women who always do. You showed a picture of a model who stayed thin after childbirth. All the white models I've ever seen always seem to too. In fact, I see all the time white women who bounce back quick after giving birth. You make the kind of statements against whites you blame Emily for making about Asians. You have the weakest arguments here. Your kind of a rascist to it seems like.

Alot of grabbing at straws for the sake of arguing all the time here.

Godis, it's not fair that people are saying that your fat. Stop comparing yourself to the other girls. If the Jane Fonda sci-fi heroine does post her pictures, she's as immature as she says you are and even if she looks hot, it won't matter someone will find things wrong with her and tell her the kind of stuff she tells you maybe, drop it girls! Your all hot!

My grandmother said to the girls in our family "For every woman on earth, there's at least one man who thinks your perfect."

I'm a white guy, and I like white girls. I don't get the whole Asian fixation. Even though Emily said some things about them I wouldn't say, I think there girls are too "dainty", thats a nice way of putting it lol! I found this site looking for Jennifer Jenesko and Olivia art. This Erik dude is on point saying that women in art are more feminine than most of the real ones!

Not a troll, just someone who tripped over this site and finds alot of the discussion kinda interesting.

thisisnuts :

who is racist? don't you think the cristeria of this site is very much sounded like "lebensborn"?
I sureI'm not racist. and that's all what I want to say here. I just don't believe there would be only one race which master in everything's.

and I don't have anythings to against white. why should I? I only trying to let you guys see the other races also have got the good side too. how about "callmewhatyouwant" or "Emile" say ghetto stuffs about the other races I don't see you say anythings against them?

bookworm, your right, if I call you a racsist than I'd have to say it to a lot of other people I guess, so I won't and just say that it was your bias. I think it's because from what I read that your saying that examples of Asian beauty are Finnish, Esotonian, and East Baltic women. Even if they have some Asain in their background doesn't mean they should be judged as being Asian or Asian looking. I get that theres like 10% Asian DNA or whatever but I still think they look more White, Caucasian, European than anything else. And I also thought you implied that their more "Nordic" than Scandinavians. I think the model statement, how the Asian model should represent how Asian women look after childbirth compared to white women was a lot off. All models, cause they're freakishly thin and tall, are going to bounce back better than "average women", and if their natural body shape and metabolism didn't work in their favor, models have money for personal trainers and when push comes to shove, a plastic surgeon to lift whats fallen and suck out whatever shouldn't be there. So yeah, that's what it was that I was referring to, and it wasn't rascist, but definitely biased.

I think this site's pretty cool, in terms of interpreting beauty. I wasn't looking for this or anything like this. I was just looking for art! It kind of sucks you in. The comments are very interesting too. I wasn't trying to just happen on it and start putting in my remarks to create any more dissention or controversy. So if I said anything previously that someone is going to interpret as my being an asshole than I apologize in advance.

I'm still wading through this page, but I stumbled on this section, in which a reply was made to one previous poster. I've yet to locate that post, but I thought I'd comment here first, in case I can't find the post, or give up before I find it. The post being replied to is:

"The pedophile argument is a valid one, since it is the truth. I know the truth doesn't matter to you, dear, but that's the way it is. Pubescent, tiny and underdeveloped bodies normally do attract pedophiles who prefer them to adult women with curvy, feminine bodies. That is why white pedophiles flock to Asia. Deny that if you want to, everybody knows it's the truth anyway"

Now I have my suspicions that neotenic preferencs underly the tendency for some males to seek young females, some of whom seek out young girls. However, I cannot claim to have reviewed the scientific literature on this, and at any rate, it is not the purpose of my comment here. My point here, is that the above quote is invalid as an argument for a far simpler reason, which because of its simplicity, takes precedence over more complex arguments which may amount to little more than self-justification. The simple point is this: men embark on overseas sex tourism in countries where people (a) the exchange rate favours their own currency, making the sex resource cheaper than in their own country, and (b) they especially seek countries where life itself is cheap, and fellow humans can be bought very cheaply. That is the reason not just pedophiles, but other sex tourists flock to Asian countries. They also go to other countries, such as Latin American and - I gather - African countries, for the same reason. Further, with regards the subgroup of men seeking to practice activities which are illegal in their own countries, the other incentive - apart from cheap people - has been the likelihood of getting away with it, because life - and people - are cheap. This rationale is no different to any other form of human exploitation in those sorts of countries - it's a very robust principle to be found across a broad range of exploitations. One need not posit neoteny as some sort of rationale, when a far more parsimonious one is available.

White (borderline) pedophiles are attracted to the undeveloped, tiny body of the asians because it looks like their preferred sexual object - the undeveloped/developing girl body. That is why they go to Asia. Cheap sex can be found anywhere so there is no need to travel across the world for that. Asia offers something special for the pedophile - an endless supply of lolitas who never physically turn into adult women.

Asian women themselves invite pedophiles to their countries by the very way they present themselves (the deceptively innocent lolita-child look is extremely popular among young asian women, who seem to deliberately play on these types of fantasies). I think there is a mutual understanding that white men who want pubescent girls, or women who look like them, can find them and use them easily in Asia.

So it is true that Asia is a good and welcoming place for the white pedophile, and less dangerous for him than his home country, but the core motive for going there is that he can live out his sexual deviant fantasies there with the endless sea of underdeveloped, tiny, childlike women and girls he prefer. He doesn't even have to use underage girls since asian girls in their teens often look like younger children.

No other race is so undeveloped and childlike as the asian race. Denying that this fact plays a vital part in the white pedophile's special interest in asians is ridiculous.

I really don't think white (borderline) pedophiles are attracted as much to Africa or Latin America since the preferred physical type is not as common there.

A 15-year-old asian girl can often look like a 11-year-old white girl, and I think that is an enormously important factor. The illusion of having sex with a child and not a woman is total, and if society there is also permissive and welcoming all the better.

Here you go,feminine asian bodies!

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Swedish and caucasian body, feminine my ass ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

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I think that one example of how Asian women do look comparitively underdeveloped to white women is at looking at the gymnastics competition in the '08 Olympics in Beijing. There were people who were arguing that there was no way that the girls were 16, but once documents were presented, it appears they were indeed 16, at least according to the satisfaction of the judges of that event.

Compare the looks of the Chinese gymnasts to those of the American gymnasts. They are between the ages of 16-20

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This is merely a comment regarding the looks of the Asian women in contrast to the American(White) women. I'm not saying ONE WORD about pedophilia. So the person who wants to misinterpret this comment (and I'm sure there'll be plenty), the point was, I repeat, to show the obvious differences in the types of physiques amongst these ladies. As a former gymnast, I wasn't able to pursue the sport much after the age of 14 due to the normal development of my body, and the contradiction to what is "competitive" in that sport. At almost 5'6", and a weight that was (then, at 14) 107 lbs., and the fact that I had larger breasts and hips than what was "acceptable" made me re-evaluate my interest in competitive gymnastics. Very short, small-framed and slender bodies is what is necessary. I was also not interested in the dieting and exercize that my Dr. warned me could effect the development of my young body. This is also not an argument about "femininity"; it is obvious that gymnasts aren't going to be on the more feminine side. Yet another reason I wasn't competitive-body types with hips and a slimmer back and shoulder area inhibits the the development of the musculature that's needed to excell in this sport beyond childhood years.

To "I'm not racsist", that's a joke, right? You're using a picture of a FEMALE BODYBUILDER to argue that they are less feminine than Asians, who once again are represented as professional models. Not a convincing argument bookworm, but you've not had any since the onset of your posts so why should anyone be suprised anymore.

Honestly, your models are not the most attractive ones that you could've used. Let's see, the top row, woman with the lavender bikini, she's a great example of a woman who doesn't have very discernable curves, at ALL!! I'll admit, not all of the women you post are terrible looking, but if you have to make those women look "good" by comparing them to the picture of the Swedish bodybuilder, than what does that really say? That your photos cannot prove your point on their own? Can you try finding photos of attractive, feminine Asian women(on a public photo-sharing site, for example), that are of the "average population"?

Like these, for example,

Japanese School Girls Pictures, Images and Photos

the japanese girls Pictures, Images and Photos

Not THESE, professional, photoshopped photographs of professional models, (I think that might make your point much better).

Japanese Girls Pictures, Images and Photos

Japanese Pictures, Images and Photos

All that's being asked of you is to provide photos that are comparable to photos of other ethnicities that are non-professional, candid, and un-retouched.

Incidently, although each and every person is entitled to his or her preferences in terms of attractiveness, one who LESS prefers a body like this....

Japanese Pictures, Images and Photos

Sexy Japanese Pictures, Images and Photos

To THIS....

Swedish girls Pictures, Images and Photos

Cannot be faulted for having bad taste, or for being rascist.

Sorry about the photos that didn't post, I'll try a few more as examples......

Stupid japanese girls Pictures, Images and Photos

Japanese tattoo girls 15 Pictures, Images and Photos

2 Japanese girls? Pictures, Images and Photos

Swedish girls everywhere!!!  glorious! Pictures, Images and Photos

Swedish girls Pictures, Images and Photos

All these are examples of candid, nonprofessional, un-retouched photos. In order to better make your points (bookworm, not a rascist, etc.), these are what you should be using, in order to keep the debate honest.

I forgot to mention in the last post that the bottom two pics are of Nordic women....though it's probably obvious, you never know...!

And I wasn't, REALLY, going to touch this with a ten foot pole, but I really do think photos like these are exploitative, in bad taste, and do perpetuate a stereotype that's for some reason, another poster's getting a LOT of flack for mentioning, but, gee, it's all over the page I found the photos of Asian women on....

Japanese School Girl Pictures, Images and Photos

Japanese School Girl Pictures, Images and Photos

Japanese School Girl Pictures, Images and Photos

This to me is just gross, I'd try to be more eloquent if I thought it'd make a difference. I think it's shameless, and the people responsible for representing and exploiting Asian women in this way are as bad as, and comparable to, the people responsible for what's happened to high fashion modeling.

Pedos flocks to asia because there are several countries that do offer up underage boys and girls for sexual sale. It has nothing to do with 16 year olds looking like 11 year olds. They have 11 year olds over there for sale if you want it (not all over asia, very few countries in asia allow this to occur legally. It also happens in all western countries. Get off the high horse.)

I can't even believe you racist pigs are still arguing over asian looks.

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TYPICAL SWEDISH BEAUTY

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Rawr: "rascist pigs" makes me laugh, if that's your point, or the basis of your points, which is to call others names instead of contributing anything of value besides name calling, then they're pretty weak. There was a conversation about how Asain women were more feminine and more mature looking than Nordic women so in the "spirit of debate" which is all this is, it being a debate site and all, I showed examples I could find that disspelled "notaracsit/bookworm"'s theories. What is wrong with what's being said here, besides the fact that YOU don't like it and YOU'RE offended? Big deal, lots of people are always getting offended by these discussions that talk about LOOKS. The reason that Asian women's looks are being discussed here is because we discuss LOOKS here, it's surely not rocket science to figure out. I did say that those who capitalize on the exploitation of Asian women were deplorable human beings, but that's racsist, ok, sure.

"Notaracsist", once again, your denseness prevents you from seeing the absurdity of posting the most outrageously unattractive photos of Nordic women you can find and comparing it to Asian models. I think I showed what kinds of pics are comparable, but you're so immature and pathetic, I barely expect you to understand. Only your air-brushed models can look even remotely good compared to what appears to be a blonde woman with those fake "costume" teeth in. If that's the best you can do...and apparently it is. The good news is that one day you'll be able to muster up all of that average intellect of yours and try to have a conversation that's worthy of other adults. Good luck to you. By the way, take away the photoshop, and whatever other "enhancements" your models have and you have pretty much nothing.

Notaracsist, one more look at your "sexy" Asian women shows me that they have to have surgery or white admixture to approach the standard of beauty that's typical for women of European descent. These women don't look like average Asians. YOU ARE LYING. Thank god, no one's stupid enough to believe you.

"There was a conversation about how Asain women were more feminine and more mature looking than Nordic women so in the "spirit of debate" which is all this is, it being a debate site and all, I showed examples I could find that disspelled "notaracsit/bookworm"'s theories. What is wrong with what's being said here, besides the fact that YOU don't like it and YOU'RE offended? Big deal, lots of people are always getting offended by these discussions that talk about LOOKS. The reason that Asian women's looks are being discussed here is because we discuss LOOKS here, it's surely not rocket science to figure out. I did say that those who capitalize on the exploitation of Asian women were deplorable human beings, but that's racsist, ok, sure."

I do not condone the other racist statements either. It's painfully obvious the only reason all of you fools are discussing the looks of other races is to say one looks better than the other. Better than=Superiority. Superiority of a specific race happens to be something a lot of racists spew. Therefore i logically conclude most of you morons are just in denial racist pigs. Yes, I'm going to call you names. After thousands of years of advancement including going to the fucking moon it would appear that some human beings are still so goddamn ignorant they feel the need to quantify and qualify the looks of their race and compare it to those of other races. Well guess what? You looks are arbitrary. They have nothing to do with who you are. Your name, your age, your face, your body, they mean nothing.

Guess what, white people exploit their own women. Go to the United States, it's a white majority and 1 in 4 women have been raped in that country. What you see with Asians is a LONG history of the exaltation of youth. It is no different in western culture. As Lewis Black opined "It's like a bowl of shit staring at itself in the mirror screaming 'It's Shit!'"

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people there compare pictures of hideous swedish women to PROFESSIONAL pictures of PROFESSIONAL MODELS

lol

It must be a new category of low self-esteem

If you are trying to prove that there are ugly swedish women, then you are wasting your time. Nobody is saying otherwise.

Why don't you attempt to prove that regular non-famous asian women without photoshop edition look better, on average, than swedish women?

Good Luck!

Rawr : I'm not (the poster : I'm not racist) he is not me but seem we both sharing the same point of view and I sure there are many people in this world agree with us than with you, emily or barbarella and eric. even when I show this site to my husband. he also disgree as well. Im not even asian and I feel like smashing you for talking all these. there's beauty and yes there can be ugly in all races and I can find pretty in every women. I've seen some gorgeous asian and black women. I think white women have got the best facial features but asians have more natural beauty than the average white woman which always have a lot of makeup. I never said the asian women look prettier than the white women nor I said they are ugly. I just find them good-looking and cute that's all. and in the reality life. men do not looking for the perfection beauty which full of glitter and glamour in a women. beside, a natural beauty.

well, I've been shown the pictures of beautiful caucasian women to some asian guys and they said these women look unnatural. these have got the blue eyes which look like an empty sky and giving the expression of coldness and strangeness. since the majority of humans in this world have got dark eyes. otherwise, the blonde women have light eyelashes and eyebrows, making our eyes appear less intense. You'll probably get more people saying they like darker hair cause people have these assumptions and stereotypes about blondes. And also, remember you are getting answers from all over the world, many countries don't even have blonde women so they probably won't prefer caucasian-looking women or find them attractive?

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and now take a look at these asian women? they don't even have a blonde hair and blue eyes or caucasian facial features? but they have got a natural-looking and a warm coloring which made them stand out?
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and what's make you all think the non-white can't have high nasal or a deep set eyes? why do you think all non-white women with these traits must be the biracial or had done the plastic surgery?

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"Rawr : I'm not (the poster : I'm not racist) he is not me but seem we both sharing the same point of view and I sure there are many people in this world agree with us than with you, emily or barbarella and eric. even when I show this site to my husband. he also disgree as well. Im not even asian and I feel like smashing you for talking all these. there's beauty and yes there can be ugly in all races and I can find pretty in every women. I've seen some gorgeous asian and black women. I think white women have got the best facial features but asians have more natural beauty than the average white woman which always have a lot of makeup. I never said the asian women look prettier than the white women nor I said they are ugly. I just find them good-looking and cute that's all. and in the reality life. men do not looking for the perfection beauty which full of glitter and glamour in a women. beside, a natural beauty."

You are still a racist. You can't talk either. Do you have any redeeming qualities?

This is indonesian woman is also very pretty too.

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this one is somalian girl I found her pic in flickr. she is pure black but very pretty as well.
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Bookworm, still showing photos of professional models and comparing them to the few unflattering pics you can find of Nordic women. You just don't get it. You're an ass, sorry, no other word comes to mind. STOP SHOWING PHOTOS OF MODELS. STOP SHOWING PHOTOS OF ASIAN OR BLACK WOMEN WITH EUROPEAN ADMIXTURE. MORON. Your Indonesion woman doesn't look pure Asian, which is why she's pretty enough to warrant a mention by you. And you speak and pretty much post the indentical pics that "I'm not a rascist" does, so as far as I'm concerned, you're the same.

Rawr, gee, since this is a website that deals with topics conerning LOOKS, and race largely determines peoples LOOKS, then, Oh My GOD, can you believe it, people are racsist because they state their preferences and everyones a rascist because we haven't adopted the whole "one world, one race" motto like you? You very obviously don't understand the nature of this site. Besides calling others rascist, what have you contributed to this conversation? Your facts are incredibly unreal as well as exagerated, no where have I found the 1 in 4 rape statistic you posted, and what about this "white majority"? In some places, that's not the case, even if it is a reported national average. In the city where I live, for example, that's pretty far from the truth. Are you even American, or just one of those that hates the US and talks shit about us? I love those people. And do I mind your calling me rascist, not knowing a thing about me? No, why should I, it's a word used so much it's lost the power to call out those who really ARE rascist, not people on a website who say they're not attracted to Asians. Misuse of the word RASCIST negates the power it should have, thanks to people like you. Nice going.

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