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Ekaterina Joukova: Why do modeling agencies not book me?

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Ekaterina Joukova says,

I should be a fashion model; by many I have been told,
I’ve been trying for an year, and am just 18-years-old.
I know I am a little bit short, at a mere five foot eight,
and my 34-25-36 at 120 lbs may be a tad overweight.

Oh, I would really love to model all varieties of fashion!
And my motive is intrinsic; a deeply cherished passion.
Photographers, makeup artists, models encourage me.
But no luck so far getting booked; why should this be?

Here are some responses Ekaterina got.

  • Work on your pictures, expression, smile and hair mate.
  • Starting at age 17 and now 18, you are a little too late.
  • Better look like you’ve not for a while a good meal ate.
  • It’s your face honey; you need cheekbones like Kate’s.
  • Attention troll! Let the pros, not us, have your looks rate.

How may we disappointed and confused Ekaterina educate?

Ekaterina, by fashion world norms, you don’t look great.
Surely, it’s bad to resign yourself to your apparent fate.
But, ask yourself, why does age 18 border the too late
when the models will be selling to adults, not to jail bait?
To bolster your chances, you have lost 10 lbs of weight.
But why do fashion designers extreme thinness mandate,
when most women customers are not close to flyweight?
What people do the industry’s absurd standards dictate?
The designers who’d of the pleasures of sodomy partake
with boys
, whose looks the models have to approximate.
Surely, these looks are not those to which your’s relate;
neither with dieting, etc. could your efforts thus translate.
Be glad; let these facts your emotional well-being inflate.

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OMG more Romanians! Why do they all look diff? Why don't they all have round coarse broad faces with ugliness written all over them? WHY@!@

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OMG! This girl has freckles... and she looks gasp... white?

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Emily,

This woman, that you posted to compare to me...also has a bump on her nose. Her nose isn't hooked and neither is mine. We both have bumps on our noses. Oh dear, this must be so horrible for you! You found a picture of a woman prettier than me...but *GASP*!! She also has the same bump. She must be hiddeous to you now.

Romanian women generally look like an odd mix of gypsies and Slavs. I suspect the gypsy blood is heavily present in most of them. The Slavic blood takes away some of that gypsy look, but it's not a beautiful people however generously you look at them. They generally have coarser and heavier facial traits and less romantic faces than Northern European women.

They are overwhelmingly brunettes. The eyes are most often brown or yellowish brown (hazel)to very dark brown. Their skin looks dirty and not truly white, as if they are not entirely clean. There is often a yellowish hue, probably due to the gypsy/Hindu influence.

Many like to tone their hair blonde, in a vain effort to look like Northern Eurpean women. In pictures I have seen they sometimes add a blue color over the brown iris, resulting in an unflattering and fake effect. They seem to admire the nordic blonde and blue colors but these are off-limits to them. The result can be clown-like and I think it's best for them to work within their own natural color range.

They have a tendency to look cheap and vulgar so it is important for them to put on make-up sparingly, and to use clothing that is not too vulgar, for the same reason. Garish colors should be avoided.

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Ekaterina, at least that model doesn't look like a pitbull dog. I'm surprised you even bring her up again. You could only wish to look like her.

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Wow, that's low Emily. I dare not stoop to your level..but in all honesty let's see your face. Maybe we can compare it to a pig.

You can't possibly say I look ugly in these pictures..where I'm not mid-sentence..You should also realize that lighting plays a huge part in how a person looks.


How do I even remotely resemble a pit bull? You're such a troll hahah.

Oh wait a minute...could it be? I'm mid-sentence and I look good? Shhiiiit.

Now wouldn't you look at my disgustingly hooked nose? Oh my...how horrible..

Here's a chick that resembles a dog..

You see, Emily...you're too scared to post your own picture because you realize that you're not too great yourself, thus you will be judged horribly especially due to the fact you have a disgusting personality.

Emily how do Romanian women have any "Hindu" influence at all? There are no Indian people in Romania.

Ektarina you resemble television star Allison Mack.

http://www.laguiatv.com/img/hc/fotos/Per-Allison-Mack.jpg

Emily,
Ouch that was really really low....How could you compare Ekaterina to a dog? She is pretty and feminine looking. I suggest if you can't post a pic of your beauty then just shut up!
You are in the minority by considering her unattractive.

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DO you ever STOP!!!!!????? WHAT THE F!!!! Seriously!!!!
EMILY STOP IT!

Before it was East Asian and Indians then it was Slavs and now its Romanians???? Do you realize what your doing? Whats next ? South Europe and then whats left a small population of north Europe?

You have totally ignored my previous posts for obvious reasons. STOP praising this blond hair and blue eyed shit! ITS tiring! I posted pics of many Indians with real light eyes....blue, green etc and you didn't say anything. I posted my pics you didn't say anything. You only like to attack and not appreciate! If i had a hooked nose you would have attacked me! If i posted a pic of people with contacts you would have attacked. But you are easily silenced by the truth!

I don't understand at one hand your praising blue eyes and blond hair and at the other you are attacking people for trying to "get that"???? WHY should people not share this preference?

Oh Emily! you are getting your attention quota well fed here! I have never met a Nord like you (if you are one)...actually wait Erik is another...not sure if he is a Nord though.
But Nords have always appreciated my beauty and been very "accepting" people. The evolutionary/geographical histories of different ethnic groups have been different. SO WHY COMPARE THEM? In the other post of slutty white women you were talking about fairness in comparison. Do you leave room for any?
Why are you comparing other populations to your Nordic standards? What the hell. PLEASE GROW UP!
Learn to be nice and learn to accept variability and uniqueness.
I can go the same road as you! You think Indians look dirty/muddy because of their brown skin...I can say many things about Nordics but i love this group of people and will not follow you into the gutter.
ahhhhh anyways love to all!

and Emily darling that is not a pitbull dog!!! LOL

Emily: You need to stop coming up with bad jokes such as invoking a comparison to dogs to describe someone’s face shape or comparing adult East Asian women’s bodies to those of babies. These are absurd and lower the level of the discussion to the point that they invite people like Peter to trash the thread with useless comments, digressions and other nonsense. I know English is not your native language but neither is it mine. There are better ways to describe negative or unflattering facts or opinions, and you know it.

So it is OK for someone to call me a cow and a whore? Where is your reprimand to godis who has been writing overboard troll comments here for a very long time, aimed only at provoking me, and lacking argument totally, diverting the discussion to self-esteem issues and Nazi Germany? Interesting.

As for Ekaterina, she has had a bad attitude from the start and tried to shut up discussion. I ignored her comments lately, but she insisted on trying to provoke me to answer by reposting the same photo of a real model who happens to be far superior to her in looks, making fun of HER nose. Ekaterina happens to resemble a pitbull terrier and that is what came to mind.

You are welcome for the comments I made in your defense when Peter jumped at you. Maybe you deserved his critisism far more than I realized. After all, he has actually read your book.

I also happen to believe Asians do look childlike and underdeveloped. This is a fact, and I stand by it. I have also through pictures and arguments proved that they do, especially in comparison to adult white women. It is a well-known fact that they appear arrested in development to most people here. Displeasing Peter is not something that I am concerned about. He can take responsibility for his actions. I don't.

Yes, Peter, that is a pitbull terrier.

Regarding the gypsies, the gypsies have Hindu origins. I didn't know this, actually. When you compare them it seems very likely so I accept that as fact. You can look it up in Wikipedia. There are many gypsies in Romania. To me it is clear that they have infuenced the gene pool of Romanians.

Ekaterina, you do not look good by our standards. You look like a typical Eastern European with a poor profile, and now when I see your teeth they seem strange, as if they are too short. Not flattering. As a model you are sub-standard and this has nothing to do with your weight but with the fact that you don't look good enough. That is what you were told. As for trolling, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

The real model does not have a perfect face, I have never said so. I compared her to you so I didn't think I needed to look long and hard for a perfect face in order to show someone better and more appropriate for the job of modeling. She has an interesting, open and sweet face, without a feature that totally ruins it, as far as one can tell in that picture.

Erik, what is your native tounge? Considering that you yourself brought that up I would like to know.

Emily: You have to be held to higher standards. When Godis trashes my arguments or the discussion with poor comments, I have few reasons to mind because it shows what kind of arguments my critics have: empty ones. Now if she were as annoying as Peter, I would warn her, but there is so far not much to bother with the way she is. On the other hand, you appear to agree with many of my major arguments. I wish to convey that these major ideas can be defended rigorously, using neutral language and, when required, empirical evidence and academic arguments. If you come up with ridiculous comparisons and lowbrow comments in support then I have to deal with straw men that the people who defend my stances are unsavory characters and incapable of coming up with a decent argument. These critics will ignore all valid points made by you and all instances where you have clearly won the argument and focus instead on your bad jokes or absurd comparisons.

Another reason why you need to be held to higher standards is that this Peter character is trashing this site with useless and off-topic comments, and all he needs to mouth off is to see a new comment by you. You are dealing with a character that will bait you. If you decline the bait he will declare victory. If you take the bait he will digress into multiple off-topic issues and resort to foul debating techniques, forcing you to decline further discussion, again claiming victory. All along he will contribute nothing of value. Please don’t give him an excuse to trash this site more by bringing in the dog comparison.

It is self-evident that East Asians have less dimorphic secondary sexual characteristics than Europeans. But this is natural for them and cannot be described using terms such as arrested development and underdeveloped. You may use “arrested development” and “underdeveloped” if you prefer, but in any case, a comparison of adults with babies is uncalled for and simply provides an excuse for people like Peter to leave comments. I know you are not concerned whether you displease Peter, but you can at least try to give him fewer reasons to comment on your postings.

Peter has not read my book and I am not sure if he has read the articles on homosexuality that I have posted online, but even if he has he has shown no understanding of them in his comments left at this site.

Ekaterina is a girl, not a woman. You have made your argument about her looks. Now leave her alone. Girls tend to be more sensitive about their looks and negative comments about them, if necessary, should be worded as neutrally as possible.

Regarding native language, I don’t have any. It is difficult to explain and irrelevant here, but I grew up being exposed to multiple languages, unable to call any of them my own.

"You have to be held to higher standards. When Godis trashes my arguments or the discussion with poor comments, I have few reasons to mind because it shows what kind of arguments my critics have: empty ones. Now if she were as annoying as Peter, I would warn her, but there is so far not much to bother with the way she is. On the other hand, you appear to agree with many of my major arguments. I wish to convey that these major ideas can be defended rigorously, using neutral language and, when required, empirical evidence and academic arguments. If you come up with ridiculous comparisons and lowbrow comments in support then I have to deal with straw men that the people who defend my stances are unsavory characters and incapable of coming up with a decent argument. These critics will ignore all valid points made by you and all instances where you have clearly won the argument and focus instead on your bad jokes or absurd comparisons."

I think most people would have much less patience with these people, who are here only to disrupt, divide and ultimately destroy the site, in my opinion. When they have got rid of me they will continue their attacks on you and anyone who dares to say anything they disapprove of. It seems you are aiding them in that.

The provokations they have subjected me to are excessive, anyone sees that. I think you have to take responsibility for NOT moderating these threads at all. It is virtually impossible to run a site where you allow troll comments to stand totally unmoderated, since their aim is to take full monopoly on opinions and silence others. You alolow them free range and reprimand me instead? What kind of strange and unusual policy is that?

When you clearly see that someone is ganging up on one person, whose opinions they disagree with, in an attempt to make this person go away by any means necessary, I think it's appropriate to moderate. You have chosen to not moderate their nasty comments, blatantly ignoring the flaming and trolling I was subjected to for a long, long time . You have let them know that this is fine, by doing nothing. This is how they see it. They do this because..they can, like a child would, unless limits are put in place.

In spite of this I have continued to write what I believe to be right. Godis's latest attempt, trying to turn Romanians into some kind of quasi Nordics, must be addressed, and that is why I wrote about Romanians and showed what they typically look like. Misinformation should not be allowed to stand.

"Another reason why you need to be held to higher standards is that this Peter character is trashing this site with useless and off-topic comments, and all he needs to mouth off is to see a new comment by you. You are dealing with a character that will bait you. If you decline the bait he will declare victory. If you take the bait he will digress into multiple off-topic issues and resort to foul debating techniques, forcing you to decline further discussion, again claiming victory. All along he will contribute nothing of value. Please don’t give him an excuse to trash this site more by bringing in the dog comparison."

Peter will trash this site no matter what I write. MY GOD, haven't you understood that yet? He has been doing that to me ever since the beginning. If I write that I love the beautiful colors of Nordic eyes and hope to see them preserved in Nordic countries he immediately start posting large photos of Indians with bright eyes of different colors. It doesn't MATTER what I write, he will always troll as long as I am here. Period.

"Peter has not read my book and I am not sure if he has read the articles on homosexuality that I have posted online, but even if he has he has shown no understanding of them in his comments left at this site."

Maybe he has understanding but disagrees with you and can't express those disagreements very well.

"Ekaterina is a girl, not a woman. You have made your argument about her looks. Now leave her alone. Girls tend to be more sensitive about their looks and negative comments about them, if necessary, should be worded as neutrally as possible."

She was the one not leaving ME alone. I ignored her previous troll comment, yet she persisted in her provokations and reposted a photo of a model, making fun of her and me. She wants to model but cannot be subjected to any negative remarks. Well, in that case she should choose another profession.

You use many pictures of girls of similar age here on your site, by the way, many of whom may be deeply offended by your words and opinions of them. I don't think you are in any position to tell me to leave anyone alone as long as you do the same thing. You earn money on the links to their nude pages, even, so you cannot take any moral high ground here. You have seen the comments men and others here post under their pictures, but you seem to think that's fine, disregarding the fact that the girls can also read them.

"Regarding native language, I don’t have any. It is difficult to explain and irrelevant here, but I grew up being exposed to multiple languages, unable to call any of them my own."

How very unusual. Could you tell me where you grew up, perhaps?

Its funny how so many people can spend this much time commenting and posting pictures on this ridiculous page of b/s...especially people who dont really know anything about the person in 'real' life but instead choose to judge her based on the worst possible photos that someone found from her facebook/google page...i know Ekaterina in person and she is fucking gorgeous no matter what hateful bitches say! They are just jealous that they haven't done modelling (or have..doesnt really matter) and choose to sit on there asses instead and write dumb fucking pointless comments on a page that was created by someone who is bored out of there small fucking barely-existent brain. Don't be a hipocrit to people who you don't know in real life and base your comments on bad photos of them especially...Kate is a strong, intelligent, sophisticated, beautiful woman! She doesn't only have the looks but also the brains and attitude to back herself up and down-grading comments are worthless to her...btw..she does not want to be a proffessional model...she actually has brains to do more important things than pose for a photographer who jerks off to pictures of models (and comments about there looks on gay-ass websites like this one)b/c he can't get any pussy himself! And to all the hatin' bitches..go blow someone.And stop spilling all your PMS on this page..take some painkillers to ease the pain of looking in the mirror...

Thank you..and this was a waste of time but it was worth saying..

THIS CHICK IS SO DAMN GORGEOUS...THE GIRLS WHO POSTED THERE PICTURES ON THIS PAGE AND NEGATIVE COMMENTS DONT FUCKING COMPARE ! DON'T TRY TO BRING SOMEONE DOWN IF YOU ALREADY LOOK LIKE SHIT..PLEASE..IT'S ENTERTAINING BUT A WASTE OF YOUR TIME..SO STOP CRITIQUING EKATERINA AND GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR..THEN ASK YOUR DADDY IF HE CAN AFFORD PAYING FOR THE PLASTIC SURGERY

I would take this girl home in a heartbeat! She is a bombshell!

Im speechless now..... :D but excited in my pants.. gtg

Emily,
That dog is a Bull terrier....not pitbull or pitbull terrier. Thats what i know.
I want to wish you the best of luck and for all of our sakes i want the incredible Nordic race to flourish and increase in number. I love them :D

You are pretty. I can tell from your posts that you are happy with the way you look. Its a shame that people wrote such illogical and unkind things although many like myself can see otherwise. Agencies may be make choices but doesnt mean they are wise. There is no logical reason. People just have arbitary views and make decisions.

Sorry, meant to say, "people just have arbitary views and make arbitary decsions".

Romanian looks don't have any similarity with Indian looks. They actually resemble middle Eastern/Turks.

Yes, Emily *rolls eyes* the Gypsies are Indian. I wonder how you can claim Romanians are soo ugly when you are so ignorant to how they look. But remember, there are Romanians that have no gypsy in them at all. Because like I said within any population there is a percentage of people who are comfortable mating with only their own kind. You act like OMG you discovered something so new here, but I mentioned it in my describing my ethnicity:

Here it is, second paragraph *yawn*:
"There is also a large percentage of gypsies (or ethnically Indian mixed with Caucasian)"... quotes herself

So anywhoo, after that went over your head, lets talk about how hard you tried to portray Romanians with hooked noses. Generally, some Romanians do have hooked noses. This is the result of the invasion of the Ottoman Empire in Romania. This gave some Romanians an overall Middle Eastern or Turkish look, just like Andreea mentioned. So let's see we have the Romans, Ottomans/Turks, Celts, Goths,*Other Germanic tribes, Indians, Mongols that could have all affected Romanian gene pool. The Romanians before all these invasions were Dacians which are an Indo-European group.Let's Remember that every Romanian does not have everything in their gene pool. Not every Romanian has Gypsy blood for the most part. The safest thing to say is that every Romanian probably has Roman and Germanic influence in their gene pool. And probably all of Romania also has the Ottoman genes as well.

However, like I mentioned before... Every ethnicity from my observation has hooked noses.
I would say that all Europeans (Northern, Central, Eastern, and Southern), Middle Eastern Groups, Indians,Pakistanis, etc. (excluding East Asians/Mongols), and North Africans have the highest percentage of hooked noses. You can probably say that Middle Easterners have a higher percentage than Northern European, but overall we have corrective surgery these days. It's easy to fix a nose, it's not easy to fix a bad face with bad masculine bone structure if even possible.

Here are som FAMOUS Nordics who have hooked noses. I can garauntee you that many Nordic women have hooked noses. I have observed this when I went to Germany, that a high percentage of women there have hooked noses. It was Northern Germany as well, so closer to the North than the South. Honestly, this is not surprising. Think of it this way:

The weather in the North is cold and dry. The weather in the Middle East is hot and dry. I am sure a nose like that has an evolutionary advantage in dry places, so I can see why both groups have preserved that nose. You are joking yourself if you don't believe that Nordics don't have hooked noses...

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Attractive Swedish girl with hooked nose

Your hooked nose argument is simply not an argument. There are people with straight noses and hooked noses in almost any population. I highly doubt that Eastern Europeans have a higher percentage of hooked noses as you claim. Even if they did this can be corrected, and it doesn't detract from the overall attractiveness of a face. A gorgeous girl will be gorgeous still with a hooked nose. An ugly girl will still be ugly with a straight nose...

So I don't see your argument. Oh this one is hilarious:

"They generally have coarser and heavier facial traits and less romantic faces than Northern European women"

LOL Romanian literally means Romantic Latin! Our language and everything about us is more romantic than Northern Europeans. I would consider most Nordic women plain compared to Romanian women or most Eastern European women in general. Romanians ARE romantic. They are a Latin group that exudes romance. LMAO

Honestly Emily, you cannot convince me or most men that have gone to Romania that Romanian women are not beautiful. I have been to the beaches and I have seen these girls practically naked. You cannot say they are not attractive.

And about the whole gypsy thing. I knew this guy that was half-gyspy. This boy was so handsome with his black hair, emerald green eyes, and dark skin. He had pouty lips and strong shoulders as well. I couldn't date him because he was practically a man whore lol But I swear I could just be sitting next to this guy and I would become wet:) Maybe I just like dominant looking masculine guys that look like Gods but I can't help it! However, I have had Nordic boyfriends who looked like Gods as well. One guy had golden skin(he was outside a lot and tanned), blue eyes, and curly golden hair. He actually had a bumpy nose too but it added to his character and his gorgeous chiseled face. So, Nordic men are attractive to me too, although I like darker colors on men.

However, unlike your advice I do not suggest you go to Romania. The country is not very safe and someone like you would not have a good time LOL

I am pretty sure the twelve year old gang of little gypsy girls would beat the shit out of you once you opened your mouth. LOL

Thinking back,

I know of maybe one or two Romanian women I have personally seen with hooked noses. Actually not even hooked but bumpy. Most Romanian women don't even have relativley high nose bridges...

Also Emily,

Pick photos of more attractive Nordic women. In general they are not special just well groomed. Here is more of what I think of when I think of attractive Nordic women. These women are TRUE beauties:

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This girl is not my favorite as it is hard to find photos. But she overall has a more feminine face than any of the girls you posted. She is very attractive.

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This girl has a beautiful face. She was in Erik's attractive women section. Her body wasn't great, but her face is great. I really like how she looks and I think this is what an attractive Nordic woman looks like.

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Although Charlize Theron is not 100% Nordic (she is French, French too have a high percentage of hooked noses), and you can see the French in her just by looking at her face shape and bone structure. However, you can see the high percentage of Nordic she has as well. It really added to her looks! Doesn't she look gorgeous? The fact that Charlize is not 100% Nordic is not suprising. Fromm my experience people that aren't 100% one ethnicity are usually more attractive. She is more attractive than most 100% Nordic women.

Actually I am going to look for some pictures of 100% Nordic women that truly are attractive. Nordic women in general are beauties and you aren't doing them any justice with the photos you post. You post photos of either very plain or very masculine Swedish women that are well-groomed. There are some, but very few feminine and truly attractive women in your photos.

I'll post those pics on here when I find them...

"Ekaterina is a girl, not a woman. You have made your argument about her looks. Now leave her alone. Girls tend to be more sensitive about their looks and negative comments about them, if necessary, should be worded as neutrally as possible."

Erik, I could honestly give a rat's ass about what a shallow Swedish idiot has to say about me. For all we know she could be sitting there, stuffing her ugly face with chocolate, and trying to make her miserable life a little better by 'bringing down' others. If you could see me right now, this makes me laugh out loud at Emily's stupidity.

"She was the one not leaving ME alone. I ignored her previous troll comment, yet she persisted in her provokations and reposted a photo of a model, making fun of her and me. She wants to model but cannot be subjected to any negative remarks. Well, in that case she should choose another profession."

Oh my dear, sweet child...
'It wasn't me! She started it! Waaahhhh!!'
Your behaviour is that of a 5 year old.
Anyway, let me try and teach you this in a mature, adult manner..
The photo of the woman you posted to compare to me, was brought up again. I then noticed that she also has a bump on her nose. Now, you must be idiotic not to notice that I wasn't making fun of her nose. The woman has a nice nose. Why on earth would I be hypocritical and make fun of her nose when I also have a bump on my nose that makes me look good? Take a minute and think about that.
I have already stated - I DO NOT WANT TO MODEL. Can you read? Modeling is a thing of the past for me. I do it in my spare time when I feel like it. And guess what? People book me because they find me incredibly attractive. My career? You have got to be kidding me. I bet you I'm far more mentally advanced than you and have post-secondary and career goals for my near future...Instead of sitting on my ass all day and flaming others for their appearance, which never makes a person who they are in any case. Now why don't you take another 5 or 10 minutes and let that process through your thick skull.
Negative remarks you say? I laugh at them because you do not know anything about me. My attitude is sarcastic, not 'bad'. Sarcasm is a rich thing, learn to live with it.

On a side note, you have fished out every possible negative remark out of your small brain, that your mind starts pacing around, looking for something to say...so you go for my teeth.. :S
Dear Jesus, my teeth are beautiful, and so is my smile. They are straight and white. I'm sorry if you're used to seeing toothpaste commercials with models who have horse teeth..I am not one of them.

Short teeth: http://www.drnormanhuefner.com/assets/blog/DrHuefner_Monica1_small.jpg

What you think are 'good' teeth (ew): http://chicshaping.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/white-teeth.jpg

Mine are a perfect balance between those 2 extremes ;)

And....

Russian..

I know who you are ;) Haha.

Ekaterina..this section was made by Erik - not me - and is named "Ekaterina Joukova: Why do modeling agencies not book me?"

HE has invited a discussion about the reason for your not being booked by the agencies. HE has allowed user comments on this, and HE posted the first photos of you, CLEARLY inviting people to speculate and discuss the reasons for your lack of success. Now, my opinion is that you are not qualified since you don't have the looks for it, and I have explained why. It is not just a matter of age, height and weight, but basic physical appearance of the face.

I can understand that you find it hard and unpleasant to read, but this discussion was NOT initiated by me but by the owner of this site. This discussion DEALS with your "case" so to speak, and I am not trolling when I comment and judge your looks as I was invited to do by the person who runs this site. Even you must be able to understand this.

You seem totally unable to take critisism, and you also live under a false sense of grandeur since you are not particularly attractive in model standard terms. You are a pretty but ordinary girl. I'm sorry. The dog comparison was uncalled for, I admit that, but sometimes even I lose my patience. I suggest you don't read comments about yourself since they bother you immensely unless they are flattering. How you would have got by as a model with that kind of attitude is beyond me, but that is your problem, I suppose.

Contrary to what you believe you cannot stop people from talking about you if you model, and you DO offer your services as a model on that site, so technically you are fair game to discuss here. I commented on your looks as a model. Try to understand that. Not on you as a private person, but as a model. I only talked about you in that regard, and that is what this site is about, as you see. Models and beauty, and so forth.

Finally, your decision not to model seems in every respect the right one for you, so that is probably for the best.

Might I add:

Their skin often looks muddy and not white is what you claim... Um... have you ever seen a vampire movie? Have you ever noticed that Romanians are portrayed with very very white pale skin in any of those movies? Dracula was based on a Romanian king named Vladimir. Have you ever noticed how white he is portrayed? Why... because most Romanians are very white unless they are mixed with Roma/Gypsy, but even then they can be very white.

I am very white, I even freckle. If I wasn't so white why did I just finish putting sunless tanner on a few minutes ago in an attempt to give myself more color and making myself look "alive" without resorting to damaging my skin with the fake n bake?

Romanians CAN actually tan and not burn. If they do not tan, they usually maintain a very white color. Either way it looks very "romantic" as you like to put it. What man can resist dark brown THICK hair with pale skin red lips and dark almond shaped eyes? Romanians also do not age as badly as Pure Nordic women do. This is because their skin has enough pigment in it to actually be able to tan nicely and not get super damaged. But like I said, they can be very pale as well.

Oh... sigh sigh sigh the ignorance...

Erik made this section for the purpose of discussing the modeling industry, not my 'case'. What he wanted to point out is that feminine beauty is not marketable in the fashion industry because they look for masculine females. It has very little to do with my appearance per se. Erik stated that there are many attractive girls with feminine attributes, such as myself, that do not get booked due to lack of masculinity.

You went beyond what this section was supposed to be about. You stooped down to such a low level - bashing different nationalities, comparing me to a dog, stating that I look terrible, that I have a horrible nose, etc. I honestly laughed at those statements. If you knew me in real life, you would realize that I take criticism greatly. I welcome it and take it with a grain of salt because nobody knows me better than I know myself. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, everybody should realise that. What your problem is, that you do not know how to build constructive criticism. All you did was try and shoot me down. How is that going to help me improve myself in any aspect? (Not that I need to). I have honest friends who will tell me if something about me is off..and yet, they find me to be a very attractive person. As for me, I say what's on my mind. I appologize if I have in some way upset you. I am harsh. You just have to learn to deal with it.

I have opted out of the modeling industry because I don't take it seriously. I do not have a marketable look by the industry's standards because I am feminine and am the minimum height for getting signed by an agency. That is the only reason. It is not because I am unattractive. I still enjoy modeling for fun if something comes up. I do not engage in anything serious because I now understand how silly the modeling industry really is. I have greater goals for my future that will last me a lifetime. Unlike a modeling career, which would only last until I was in my early 20's if I was to succeed in it.

Yet again, you mention my attitude. Do you honestly think I would talk like that with people I network with? Those people are interested in my look and do not criticize me for enjoyment. I have heard uncountable times that I am very professional in what I do. The most important attributes in working as a model are reliability and class. I possess both of those aspects.

To conclude, I suggest that we both stop this nonsense because it is completely pathetic.

Emily: Regarding provocations or bait, they are best ignored. The reason people have been ganging on you is that you chose to respond to their trivial points and the manner in which you do provokes them. What is the bright idea of trying to correct a portrayal of Romanians as quasi-Nordics? Some people know better, others don’t care. What will happen if some people actually believe it to be true? Nothing, and this misconception will be gone when they interact with a representative sample of Romanians. It is a useless thing to be wasting one’s time clarifying. And the way you do it, you open yourself to the accusation that your argument is that attractive people are effectively not found outside the Nordic ethnic groups. Your actual argument is that by European and widely shared criteria of attractiveness, attractive individuals are found at a much higher frequency among Northern Europeans. Not one of your critics has disputed this, but they will accuse you of the straw man because of your style of arguments.

You may clarify how the average people of different ethnic groups look like, which is well within the scope of this site, but if you want to avoid flaming and nastiness, then there is a better way than your way.

You mentioned the example of Peter posting pictures of Indians with light eyes. You have wisely chosen not to respond to it. All people that have had sufficient interaction with Indians know that blue and green eyes (not Hazel mislabeled green) are very rare among Indians. In regard to your comments, posting pictures of these Indians proves nothing and neither does claiming how a very small percentage of people with light eyes translates to an absolute number in the millions because of the large population size. He will not continue to post these pictures if you just ignore them. This is how you should behave with lots of similar arguments and you will be less picked on.

Peter will not be trashing this website no matter what you write. I asked him to behave and he didn’t. Then I warned him and he still didn’t. I will be giving him a second warning. Since he has nothing of value to add to the discussion what is he going to do? If he behaves he will post a few comments here and there and then leave. If he doesn’t behave I will make him leave.

Regarding girl vs. woman, I have used pictures of 18- and 19-year-olds, but, with few exceptions, they look adult. Ekaterina looks adult also, but her girlishness has to do with her mind. She is not yet a woman in this regard and this is why negative evaluations of her looks are best worded carefully. If you go over unflattering comments about women’s looks that I have used, then my unflattering comments are usually along the lines of, to use Ekaterina’s example, there is a bump on her nose that most people will not find attractive. This is far removed from the dog analogy you have come up with. At my worst, I have used some sarcasm to describe that the Emperor has no clothes or compared the looks of top female fashion models to those of male-to-female transsexuals, but it is difficult to describe the masculinization using euphemisms, my language proficiency is limited, my comments are countered by the fashion industry singing paeans to the attractiveness of these women and they are nowhere as extreme as your evaluations at their worst.

If some people leave negative comments about fashion models or the more feminine women shown within this site, I don’t bother because they are usually a one-time incident by a given person. Multiple foul or lousy comments about the more feminine women are not a problem really because they show what best the critics can do, and if these women read the comments, my own portrayal of them as attractive will counter the negative comments. On the other hand, when a regular like you starts leaving lousy negative comments and you happen to mostly agree with my arguments then you have to be held to higher standards.

In your latest reply to Ekaterina, you have stated your evaluation of her looks – pretty but ordinary – in a very reasonable manner and this is how it should be. Your apology to her is also welcome and she has reciprocated. So that takes care of the matter.

Also, Ekaterina got it right why I put up the article on her. The real issue isn’t why Ekaterina has had a hard time being booked. She is just an example used to focus on the nature of the fashion industry.

"What is the bright idea of trying to correct a portrayal of Romanians as quasi-Nordics? Some people know better, others don’t care. What will happen if some people actually believe it to be true? Nothing, "

Well, I think it should be corrected. Painting a false picture of Romanians, turning them into blondes and blue-eyed Nordics when they most certainly are not, but instead one of the swarthiest-looking people in Europe, is not something that should just stand uncorrected.

The truth matters, and the fact that some here ignore it in order to sound better-looking than they are is not acceptable. You say the misconception will be corrected once they interact with Romanians(!). Most of them will never interact with them, not here in Northern Europe, in any case, so the misconception would have been there if I had not corrected it.

You put blame on me for the flaming and trolling instead of moderating the threads here and tell people that this behaviour is NOT acceptable. That is very strange. Usually, respectable boards have moderators who don't accept trolling and flaming. Saying he or she deserved it is improper.

As for the young girls you use here they are the same age as Ekaterina, and have the same basic immaturity that comes with that age so you cannot say that she is an exception and the other 18-year-olds who "look" older are more mature mentally. They are not, obviously.

They are what they are....teens and very young adults. Also, even older women can get offended and hurt by things that are written about them, you know.

Anyone with a true and genuine concern for their feelings would for example blur their faces so as to protect their identitites when you use nude photos. In that way at least they would be spared the added humiliation of being identified on the same page where people discuss and value their body parts and general appearance. Since you refuse to moderate the threads some remarks are very low and primitive, and these could be read by the models.

When you discuss the faces these obviously cannot be blurred. The thing that strikes me as odd is that Ekaterina seems to be deserving of special treatment not given to other models of her age here. That shows a concern for Ekaterina, but not a general, true concern for the girls whose pictures are used here.

As for bright ideas, everyone has ideas that are not bright or important to others but maybe seem valid and important to the person bringing it up. For example, your view that Northern Europeans have low self-esteem and it is genetic, seemed less than well thought out to me. I ignored that one, and I most certainly would not troll and flame you over it, and had I been a moderator I would not allow flaming of you just because you might deserve it because it was less than "bright".

"Your hooked nose argument is simply not an argument."

Yes, it is.

"There are people with straight noses and hooked noses in almost any population."

That's like saying there are people with curly, black hair in any population. So what? It's not the norm or the usual thing to see here. It is not typically Scandinavian. It is however the norm and usual to see those kinds of hooked noses in Southern- and Eastern Europe.

Scandinavians have straight noses, typically. If anything they are accused of having "pig" noses. They are rarely hooked like the ones you see in Southern- or Eastern Europe. The British have hooked noses much more frequently. I don't know why that is, but maybe due to admixture with Southern Europeans in ancient times. They also have brown eyes more often than Scandinavians, so it seems logical.

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"I highly doubt that Eastern Europeans have a higher percentage of hooked noses as you claim. "

They do. They are also generally larger, and often droopy at the tip. I don't know if this is the right word but maybe you understand. The tip, or end, hangs down. Maybe there is a term for that. So if they are not hooked per se, it can look that way since the tip of the nose is strange (hooked or droopy).

Romanians;

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That's like saying there are people with curly, black hair in any population. So what? It's not the norm or the usual thing to see here. It is not typically Scandinavian. It is however the norm and usual to see those kinds of hooked noses in Southern- and Eastern Europe

LOL That doesn't make any sense. I don't get your analogy and I do very good in the analogy section of standardized tests, so I don't think its me. I just think your analogy sucks. No, you do not see black curly hair everywhere, espcially not the Nordic countries...

I will state my argument again, because it is an obvious one:

The "norm" in Romania is not to have a hooked nose either. And again, many many Nordic women have this nose. It wasn't even hard for me to find photos...

I picked "attractive" women to show you that although they have bumpy noses, they are still attractive. You have this idea in your mind that a hooked nose will make any woman look like a witch. It's not true. I am sure any man would pick a woman with say large breasts and a bumpy nose, over a woman with no breasts and a straight nose...

Attractive Nordics w/ hooked noses:

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That's like saying there are people with curly, black hair in any population. So what? It's not the norm or the usual thing to see here. It is not typically Scandinavian. It is however the norm and usual to see those kinds of hooked noses in Southern- and Eastern Europe

LOL That doesn't make any sense. I don't get your analogy and I do very good in the analogy section of standardized tests, so I don't think its me. I just think your analogy sucks. No, you do not see black curly hair everywhere, espcially not the Nordic countries...

I will state my argument again, because it is an obvious one:

The "norm" in Romania is not to have a hooked nose either. And again, many many Nordic women have this nose. It wasn't even hard for me to find photos...

I picked "attractive" women to show you that although they have bumpy noses, they are still attractive. You have this idea in your mind that a hooked nose will make any woman look like a witch. It's not true. I am sure any man would pick a woman with say large breasts and a bumpy nose, over a woman with no breasts and a straight nose...

Attractive Nordics w/ hooked noses:

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Look Emily! A Romanian girl with a broad face, brown eyes, brown hair and a hooked nose! She is so ugly..NOT!

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"What is the bright idea of trying to correct a portrayal of Romanians as quasi-Nordics"

There is no reason to correct anything because I have not tried to portray Romanians as quasi-Nordics. I have stated over and over and over again that Romanians generally appear to be Slavicized Latins. I have listed where they attained some of their genes and I anthropolgical and historical evidence backed this up. I simply was trying to show Emily that Romanians and even in much higher frequency Northern Eastern Europeans do share some Nordic genes. I was also trying to show her that someone who is white and has "Nordic" appearances can agree with her. She thinks that if I looked Nordic but criticized Nordics it doesn't make sense because in Emily's mind, "Why would someone trash oneself by claiming they looked washed out?" Well, I cannot admit I have flaws Emily, and my loyalty is not to my ethnicity but to the truth. The truth is the truth. You are the one that morphs the truth. You are the one that posts photos of Romanians all with hooked noses, and many that are obviously Roma. I have no problem with the fact that many Romanian are Roma. I have stated before that Roma's can be very attractive. However, the photos you post do not represent a general Romanian population. Roma are a minority in Romania. Every country has their minorities, and yes these minorities really spread, however, the country general maintains those who are not mixed as well. Sweden too has their minorities...

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In this photo I know that the girl on the right is Romanian(I took it from her profile), however I am not sure about the girl on the left with a green scarf.

Sorry above I meant the girl on the your left looking at the computer screen, the girl on your RIGHT wearing a green scarf. If that clears it up..

Romanian boy yummy!:

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Also a note: I am going to take some of these photos off because I got them off people's myspace profiles, and I don't want them on here forever and I don't want to exploit them. So this is a short tihng...

Romanian boy yummy!:

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Also a note: I am going to take some of these photos off because I got them off people's myspace profiles, and I don't want them on here forever and I don't want to exploit them. So this is a short tihng...

Look another Romanian girl with a hooked nose. Can you say she is not attractive?

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And unlike you I have not posted of fake tanned Romanians with dyed hair and party clothes. I am trying to show you what typical Romanians on the street will look like, not all dressed up in a club. I am trying to show you women between the ages of 18-25 that you would see walking down the street in Romania.

While she is masculinized, this Romanian singer displays very Nordic traits. She is tall, slender, and has blue eyes, blond hair, and a long face. She is 100% Romanian, so yes we do have women that look Northern European. While it is obvious she dyes her hair, it is also obvious she is naturally light haired as her skin tone indicates it...

I for example cannot dye my hair darker than the darkest shade of blonde because people will start asking me if I am sick. I literally do not look physically healthy if I go too dark with makeup, hair, anything. My skin is an ivory tone. It is cool toned as my veins look blue underneath. My cousin who is darker for example displays green veins as she is olive toned... When I tan it is a golden tan, when she tans it is golden/olive and darker, and she can tan in an hour. While it takes me days to get a good tan.

Here she is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeVW_hN1q-g

She's basically one of those "pop singers".

Here is a Romanian news anchor. Pay attention to only the newsanchor as only she is Romanian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVCuYgvZ7UQ

Another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6j900Vf_Z8

This woman tends to go towards more "typical" Romanian pigmentation and bone structure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nX2Hsur7sQ

Moldovan news anchor. Moldovan are basically Romanian although a bit more Slavicized as they are in the North so they end up looking less like Southern Europeans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9NdMB4SxY

And I know you are going to argue these people need to look that way because they are on tv. However, I have to say that I find people like these on the streets easily and frequently.

Emily,

Before you bash an entire country, and part of the world find out for yourself that many women in these areas are beautiful, perhaps mascunilized at times but then STRONG, passionate, intelligent, ambitious, women with real lives, real families, and real dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Nm4EeE48A&feature=related

Godis,

I'm sorry, but I think you're going a little overboard. You have proven your point many times. Just leave it already.

Godis,

Actually you're making no sense.

While you atest that hooked nose is odd in Romania, you imply that MANY MANY nordic people have hooked nose. As if many nordics have it hooked and only a few romanians (the exception) have got it.

Although hooked nose can be found in Northern Europe I suppose It's commoner in Eastern Europe and so Romania

It's seems like you're the one having problems accepting such kind of nose. Even though I'm not affirming that most of romanians have got hooked noses.

Godis, you are desperate. EVERYONE knows that there are more people, on average, who have hooked and large noses in Eastern- and Southern Europe than there are in Scandinavia. It's not exactly a big secret.

Posting a few pictures of Romanians with straight noses won't change that fact. And no, Ekaterina, she has not proven anything, except her desperation. As for you, you implied before that you have a straight nose.

Whatever that is, it is not a straight nose. From your modeling profile;

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I don't know about the US, but here everyone knows that a large and hooked nose is much more common in Southern- and Eastern parts of Europe than in Scandinavia, so I guess it's ignorance on your parts. The Nordic nose is straighter, on average.

Embrace your noses. There can be a regal beauty to a hooked nose, it can add character to a face, as long as it is not too large or dominant, so what's so terrible about admitting to what is actually the reality? You people have a real problem with the truth.

Emily and Brazilian:

All I am trying to say is that:
a) their are less hooked noses in Romania and all of Eastern Europe then Emily claims there. She basically claims all Eastern Europeans have hooked noses.

b) I am trying to also show Emily that MORE Northern Europeans have hooked noses than she would like to think or admit.

c) I have no problem accepting anything. I accept the truth. I have stated before that my loyalty lies with the truth. I have posted examples of attractive women with hooked noses, so I don't understand this comment Emily:

"Embrace your noses. There can be a regal beauty to a hooked nose, it can add character to a face, as long as it is not too large or dominant, so what's so terrible about admitting to what is actually the reality? You people have a real problem with the truth."

I do accept the truth. However, I accept the WHOLE truth. I do not TRY to morph the truth into something it is not, unlike you. Sometimes I make mistakes, however my intentions are only to find the truth...

Embrace YOUR noses.

What do you mean by YOUR noses? Again, you go implying that you have an idea of what I or most of Eastern Europe looks like. I would embrace my nose if it was bumpy or hooked. However, its just not. It's not your perfect nose, and I embrace it anyways.

Specifically Brazilian:

"While you atest that hooked nose is odd in Romania, you imply that MANY MANY nordic people have hooked nose. As if many nordics have it hooked and only a few romanians (the exception) have got it"

The only thing I was implying about Northern European noses is that bumpy/hooked noses exist among Northern Europeans in higher frequency than Emily would be willing to admit.

I did not imply anything you are saying I implied. I did claim that many Northern Europeans do have hooked/bumpy noses. However, I did not claim hooked noses were the "Norm" in Northern Europe as Emily claims they are the "Norm" in Eastern Europe or every Eastern European has a hooked nose. I also claimed that the "norm" in Romania and most of Eastern Europe is NOT a hooked nose. Never did I say that few or no Eastern Europeans have hooked noses... Here is my statement exactly:

The "norm" in Romania is not to have a hooked nose either. And again, many many Nordic women have this nose. It wasn't even hard for me to find photos.

I've seen many odd things on internet.

I've seen turks implying they are lighter skinned than southern europeans.

I've seen mongols implying they are on average taller than europeans.

I've seen japaneses saying they are whiter than europeans.

I've even seen, unbelivably, afro-americans implying that black people have got finer noses than europeans.

Now I'm seeing a romanian implying they have more of the straight nose than northern europeans.

What's next?

Hey Brazilian,

I have seen Brazilian's that don't really have any good points in relevance to arguments.

Hey Brazilian,

I have seen Brazilian's that don't really have any good points in relevance to arguments.

I am still under the suspicion that Brazilian is really Emily for various reasons...

What a coincidence?

Emily posted her comment only 4minutes after Brazilian did? Just strange thats all...

I mean I know it happens, but it seems sooo unlikely that two people with similair/exactly the same argument would be on at the exact same time posting the exact same bullcra... I mean nonsense.

Ok Ok Ok Godis. I catch what you are implying.

Your affirmations still deliver the impression that romanians are less hooked nose than northern europeans or at least even.

I DON'T CARE WHETHER THE HOOKED NOSE ISN'T THE RULE IN ROMANIA OR IT CAN BE FOUND IN NORTHERN EUROPE I just want you to admit that hooked nose is commoner in Romania than It is in Scandinavia. Go ahead if you dare or are you supposed to say otherwise?

By the way your examples of hooked nose northern europeans don't have it hooked at all. They look far softer than the eastern europeans examples Emily has put up.

I'm suspecting you are myself.

What a coincidence?!

You just posted a few minutes after I've posted. Very strange.

Jokings apart you are just saying that because I'm not siding with you.

I'm not going to say that because I see no evidence to support the claim that one or the other has more hooked noses. I have been to both Romania and Germany extensivley enough to have a good idea of what both look like. I have not personally seen more frequent hooked noses in Romania. This of course is only my personal experience.

The noses seem softer. No, actually the noses seem more robust. Romanians have a more acquiline nose, while the Scands have a more "piggish" upturned more robust nose, even if small. One thing I can admit: many times Romanians have longer noses. However, although longer they are rarely more robust than Scand noses. Also, once you go into Germany(from my personal experience) you will see the noses become more acquiline and long, rather than small,piggish,upturned, and robust.

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and I picked the best of those noses...

Although not straight that woman doesn't have it hooked. The tip of her nose is upward or at least 90º. Very european nose.

I'm suspecting you are myself.

Yah, the problem is you don't make much of a point...'

I am also wondering "Brazilian" where your credentials are? I mean how do you know what Romanians look like? I know very few people who ACTUALLY have a good idea of what Romanian's look like, as many people are ignorant to the fact the country even exists...

Emily claims she is Scandinavian and from Sweden, so that is her credential.

I claim I am Romanian and from Romania (live in the U.S. now), and that I have traveled throughout Europe, that is my credential...

What is yours? You know so much about how dark Turks are, how tall Mongols are (coincidentally enough I work with an Asian girl who is 6'1 but can't model. Not the norm, but interesting indeed), how refined African noses are (even though African Americans have the widest range of nose variation), and you know sooo much about how Romanian noses look right?

However, supposedly you are Brazilian? Or am I assuming too much?

I'm suspecting you are myself.

Yah, the problem is you don't make much of a point...'

I am also wondering "Brazilian" where your credentials are? I mean how do you know what Romanians look like? I know very few people who ACTUALLY have a good idea of what Romanian's look like, as many people are ignorant to the fact the country even exists...

Emily claims she is Scandinavian and from Sweden, so that is her credential.

I claim I am Romanian and from Romania (live in the U.S. now), and that I have traveled throughout Europe, that is my credential...

What is yours? You know so much about how dark Turks are, how tall Mongols are (coincidentally enough I work with an Asian girl who is 6'1 but can't model. Not the norm, but interesting indeed), how refined African noses are (even though African Americans have the widest range of nose variation), and you know sooo much about how Romanian noses look right?

However, supposedly you are Brazilian? Or am I assuming too much?

Eastern countries are loaded with J and E y-chomosome (north africans and middle easterners). Well, it say a lot.

As long as you say the scandinavian nose is more piggish It implies It's less hooked than the romanian average. The average for scandinavians is surely the tip of the nose on 90° or upper. Being 90° the commoner.

And you're mistaking a bump in the nose bone for a hooked nose. Not the same.

Eastern europeans can't have it less hooked than scandinavians. It's not possible.

What's next? A greek affirming they have it less hooked as well?

Whatever I agree eastern europeans (from Balkans not russians alike) have longer noses on average.

I have never been to Romania.

Even though It seems obvious to me they have more of the hooked nose. As long as you go deep in southern and east the tip of the nose goes downward.

I'm a brazilian of portuguese and spaniard origin (also a a portion of amerindian and black). I know portuguese people and I admit they have more of the hooked nose than northern europeans. Even though most have it straight. I know how to split sterotypes from reality.

I believe on you when you say most romanians don't have hooked noses, but no way they have noses as straight as scandinavians or the tips fixed on 90º on the same average as northern europeans or the whole Western Europe.

but no way they have noses as straight as scandinavians or the tips fixed on 90º on the same average as northern europeans or the whole Western Europe

I never implied they did have noses that straight. I just implied that not all Romanians have hooked or bumpy noses. Besides, I didn't define straight like you did. To me a straight nose is one without a hook or a bump on it. I didn't get into a technical definition as I didn't even know there was one.

Besides, accoring to Emily's photos, Scandinavians have more upturned noses it seems than actual straight noses...

And no.. If you are implying that most Romanians have a "droopy" nose, I don't see this as the case either. Perhaps there is a high percentage with a "droopy" nose, however, I haven't personally paid attention to that when I went there. As for my family we do not have "droopy" noses...

Emily,

I said I have a bump on my nose. Not that it's straight. And the tip of my nose is turned up.
Either way, thanks for sharing my profile with the public.. I like that picture a lot...

BUT..

Where do you even find my pictures? To be quite honest with you, it's very creepy and invasive. Don't you have anything else to do rather than search people? Please stop.

Ekaterina,

Yes I know I have gone too far. However, people like Emily do have a way of pushing me and egging me on.

I don't understand how you can come on this website and take the fact that people like Emily pick at every characteristic you have. I believe that you could post a photo of the most beautiful woman in the world, but if she does not belong to Emily's ethnic group, she will try to find fault with that person and try to twist the truth into something it is not...

It was on your very public modeling profile and it is not creepy, nor invasive to use it in order to prove a lie.

Since you laughed at the idea of having a hooked nose, and made fun of my statement, while posting new pictures of yourself (one looks retouched in the nose area), saying;

"Now wouldn't you look at my disgustingly hooked nose? Oh my...how horrible.."

Your words. I detest lying and hypocrisy. I usually call people on it, especially if someone is making fun of my correct statements and simultaneously paint as false picture of themselves.

As for egging someone on you are far from innocent. You have made some egging on yourself. Now when we can all see that you falsely implied that you have a non-hooked nose when you in fact do have a hooked one, we can stop this nonsense right here. I agree that you have received far too much attention as it is.

As for straight and fine noses they are overwhelmingly to be found in ethnically Nordic people. Period. Erik has a whole page devoted to the straight and fine Nordic nose. Why is that, pray tell? Because it is so rare and not representative or typical for that race?

Why isn't there a page about the straight, fine Eastern European nose? Could it be because they are often very long, large, overly-dominant and hooked? You call it "bump", you call it "Roman nose", I call it hooked, or not straight. Whatever words you use those noses will never be Nordic in type, because the typical Nordic nose is STRAIGHT.

Sorry, the egging comment wasn't yours. However, you do play the victim a lot here, simultaneously provoking and ridiculing me, even though I can prove my statements with pictures. As for egging, you godis have written tons of troll comments that I ignored, using foul language and low debating tactics, so you are in no position to talk. I will not respond anymore in this thread. The original topic is far from interesting.

As for the straight and fine Nordic nose, it is well-described in the rhinoplasty section of this site.

You're hilarious.

You think I waste my time retouching my nose in pictures? Just because you don't want to believe what you see, it must be fake? I'm done wasting my time on you. It's obvious you're an idiot.

By the way, I don't know how you got that picture off of my profile..since I don't have that profile anymore. YOu're beyond creepy. I bet you saved it in the past..

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Perhaps you don't know the definition of a hooked nose?

Here is Ashley Simpson. The image on the right is her before surgery. See how the tip of her nose points down? That is what's considered the "HOOK".

Now explain to me how my nose is even remotely close to that? My nose is small and narrow with a small bump on the bridge. And it points up. Get your shit straight and grow up. I don't know how old you are, but it seems to me you're way too immature for whatever your age is. Just accept the fact that you're wrong and stop wasting your time being a complete creep.

You don't stop, do you? Why so extremely defensive if there is nothing at all hooked about your nose? Just ignore my comment if it has no merit and makes me look foolish. Yes, I saved that profile picture of you, and you recently hid your model profile pictures so..

Yes, certainly. Anyone must be immature thinking your nose looks hooked. Actually, it looks broken. It changes direction at the upper part, suddenly taking a nosedive.

The tip then changes direction again. Well, to me this nose is hooked or broken, and it greatly contributes to the fact that you are unsuccessful as a model, along with your absolutely lousy and offensive general attitude, probably. Personal insults, nasty provokations, ordering people not to talk about you without your permission..I mean, you're just incredible. Not even super models try to order people to shut up. Who do you think you are?

Here is your nose with a slightly retouched tip. Now you see more clearly the broken/hooked look without the upward tip distracting.

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Fine Scandinavian noses;

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A bump, to me, is the kind that the model here below has. Her entire nose is not changing direction downwards.

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More Swedish girls. The one on the left has a bump on her nose but it is not hooked. That's the difference. No one is saying you have to have a perfectly straight nose ridge, but when it completely changes direction, taking a nosedive, if you pardon the pun, it will often look hooked or broken.

By the way, your nose is not small by anyone's definition. On the contrary, it is quite dominating, especially in profile.

Seriously? It seems to me like YOU don't stop. Who are you to judge what my nose looks like? I wasn't even talking to you anymore until you posted yet another picture of me.

My nose IS small, and you would realize that if you were to ever see me in person. The bump on my nose is gradual. OBVIOUSLY there is going to be a slight "nosedive" as you call it because it is A BUMP.

The noses you posted, are too small and turned up. Although some of those girls a pretty, they do not possess a strong profile.

I called you immature for thinking that I retouch my images because you can't believe what you see. You're way too close-minded and it is completely pathetic how you can't understand things from a different point of view.

I am successful as a model in my own terms. How many times do I have to beat this into your head? You must seriously suffer from some sort of mental disorder if you can't understand that.

Here, judge another picture if you're so damn good at it..

How is my nose big? Not at all.
At least I can post my own pictures and not be ashamed of it. Unlike you. You're too scared to show your face to prove that "perfect beauty" you posses that makes you so much better than everybody else.

Have you ever even seen a big nose? I think not since you're surrounded by tiny pig-noses in Sweden. Well then let me show you..

Her nose must be at least twice the size of mine, and yet, I find this girl to be quite pretty.

Godis,

I take Emily's comments as a joke. I'm a strong person and I don't allow assumptions to bring me down. I could care less what anybody thinks unless they matter to me. Emily surely does not matter to me.
People like Emily are too picky. They surround themselves in negativity about others to make themselves feel better. Like I have said, I'm quite positive that Emily isn't any better looking than most people and it isn't her place to judge anybody.

Her praising Swedish people is quite hilarious. She is biased on rounded facial features. Many Scandinavians look simply average in my opinion. Yes, a lot of them are attractive, but they do not have unique facial features..so I do not know why she is so proud of it.

I have to say Emily that you just need to back off. It's not even on topic anymore. I personally think it is really creepy you would save Ekaterina's photo on your computer, bring it out on the website, then alter it to make a point. It's just extremely creepy. She is not a top model where every part of her body can be scrutinized. She is a regular girl that models once in a while. This is extremely personal to her. I don't think you would be able to handle it if everyone scrutinized every part of your body, picked a specific part, and literally ripped it apart. You could be the most beautiful woman in the world Emily, and someone would still find something that was "off", even if it may not be. Do you see what I am saying? We should just leave Ekaterina alone. She has a life and it doesn't revolve around her nose... lol

Anyways, see I am not particularly fond of the photos of the Nordic noses you post. Those noses are cute and dainty, however I personally favor more "elegant" noses. An elegant nose to me seems to be more common in Nordic countries such as Ireland, Germany, England(although they have their bad share of noses). One can see elegant noses in countries like Italy, some Central European countries, Yes Emily some Eastern European countries, and some Middle Eastern countries. Asians for example in my opinion don't have elegant noses.

Ekaterina in my opinion has a more elegant nose than any of the models you posted. It has a bump on it, but that does not take away from the elegance, it just adds character. An elegant nose with character is very romantic indeed.

See her are some of your photos:

I admit that although cute, I am not a fan of upturned noses as they do seem "piggish" like you described, and along with pink skin, its not a good combo for me. My current boyfriend however, who is Nordic(German) btw, likes pink skin and doesn't mind it. I guess in the end it's his opinion that matters since he is a male and the one selecting women, not me...

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cute, but piggish...

They have better noses. These are not quite as upturned (upturned noses ARE more feminine by the way, so you CAN argue they are more attractive)

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but they are still not impressive in my opinion...

See, compared to those noses to me Ekaterina's nose is more desirable because it is more elegant and romantic. Not the cutsey type of nose...

Here are some more elegant noses:
Camille Belle has an elegant nose, although a bit masculine. However, to me it is more attractive than the upturned small noses...

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Even though this is a male, and a mascunilized nose, it is a good example of how elegant a roman nose is. I don't personally like my "Roman nose" because the rest of my features are very childlike, and then I have a nose that is on the thinner side that looks Roman. It doesn't seem to match my childlike qualities. It also makes me look to much like those Roman statues, especially from the side...

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Here is a nose that is less elegant but still more attractive in my opinion than Scandinavian Nordic noses ( I say Scandinavian because I see small upturned noses more commonly in the Scandinavian countries, less in countries like Germany for example)...

This nose is not particularly elegant, and it is a bit upturned it seems. However, it strikes me as more attractive than the Scandinavian noses...

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Now my boyfriend isn't fond of the upturned noses either. He likes just regular noses. Not to small, not too big, etc. He wouldn't care if they had a little bump on it or if it is a bit hooked as long as the rest of the face looks good. So, even though an upturned nose is not his favorite (doesn't like to see the nostrils too much he says lol), he doesn't care if the rest of the face looks good...He doesn't really care if they are elegant or not lol but he likes the girl next door look.

I truly believe that more elegant, less upturned, a bit longer noses (than the examples you post,not long in general), are more attractive. They make the face look graceful,refined,elegant and romantic, especially if the rest of your face goes well with this nose. My face for example is rounded as I have a rounded jaws, low cheekbones that are full. My nose is more romanesque and thin like Roman noses. Therefore a round face and thin nose don't seem to match that well, although my nose is one of the features that makes me look a bit more adult...

Yes upturned noses are more feminine, however too much femininity is not always good and is not ideally attractive. I believe attractive people are farther on the feminine scale, however too far and you lose appeal. An upturned nose that is too upturned is really really feminine in my opinion and loses its appeal. You want to see some nostril, but not too much. Even if the nostrils are small, it doesn't matter. For example, my boyfriend showed me he likes noses that show a bit of nostril (not totally absolutley downturned), but not too much, and aren't too small...

Marilyn Monroe had a nose on the more elegant side:

Norma Jeane Mortenson | Marilyn Monroe

It is longer, although not LONG, it is not upturned or curved upward, but straight. And yes I do believe a nose with a slight bump on it, or even some hooked noses are more elegant than too curved upturned noses...

See this girl doesn't have an upturned or upcurved nose. It is more attractive because of this. It is also slighty longer, making it more attractive. A nose like this is really attractive in my opinion:

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Although, if you want a more "recognizable" different face I would suggest a nose with a bit more character than this one. It would still be attractive and make the face more unique and recognizable.

I think often what people don't understand either is that facial features that make a face "different" or "recognizable" are more attractive to people. Yes, there are features everyone is attracted to. However, many times a feautre with character can overide that because we find that unusal feature to add to the person more.

My boyfriend squints when he laughs! I guess the ideal attractive thing is when you keep your eyes open when you laugh, and it looks good. I used to hate it when people squinted and laughed, I didn't find it attractive... However, when my boyfriend does it it looks soo cute and I find it very attractive. He is very masucline (really tall) so that adds to him because it does go against his masculinity it seemes. Although his masculinity is what attracted me to him, that part of him that makes him less masculine at that time also attracts me...These are things people are attracted to...

Princess Diana's nose was very elegant although not straight. However, it added to her ethereal beauty. She is a classic and so is her beautiful and attractive nose:

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Princess Diana is the classic Nordic princess. She had such a beauty. It was a very soft, refined beauty, and a very strong beauty. She looks classic, elegant, romantic, and refined. This is the beauty we all strive for.

Compare her nose to Camilla's nose:

Princess Camilla Parker Bowles

Diana's nose is far more elegant...

Marilyn had a typically Nordic, cute potatoe nose - somewhat upturned. Not elegant or straight as you say, but cute in type. Her nose is a common type of nose here, as is her entire looks.

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As for longer noses there are Nordic noses that are longer, too, but they are not too long and therefore don't lose their femininity like Slavic noses often do. Sure, a larger and longer nose adds strenght but it makes the overall impression more masculine.

I don't think very long noses, like the ones seen in Eastern Europe, are appealing in women, especially not when also droopy or hooked. Ekaterina's nose is an example of this.

Diana was very pretty but not at all with a typical Scandinavian nose. The British have much larger and more often hooked noses, so they don't compare to Scandinavian/Germanic noses. Her nose was not her best feature, and the one making her face more masculine.

"Long-nosed" Swedish girls,

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The girl whose nose you wrote "piggish" under has a perfect and straight nose. In no way is it piggish. You seem very..eager..to find faults with drop-dead gorgeous Nordic girls, however perfectly outrageous and ridiculous the claims may be.

I suppose when you have a large, hooked, sorry.."roman" nose, it is more comfortable to find faults in others than to see one's own physical shortcomings.

Now, this was the picture you wrote "piggish" under. A shot from an angle that will expose the nose from underneath. As anyone can see it is a gorgeous girl with a perfect, cute and straight nose. It is not Slavic, not hooked, droopy, three miles long, large or masculine. That's why you had to write something negative about it. That's obvious to everybody. Envy disgusts me.

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To get some perspective on things, these are Romanians. No risk of any pig noses there. More likely gigantic, hooked, droopy, loooong, masculine noses that stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe since Romanians are closely related to gypsies/ Indians.

Saying these types of noses are romantic is a joke. Nordic perfect noses are romantic, Eastern European/ Slavic ones are not. They are often the types they operate on in order to get a decent look, and when they do, guess what type of nose they try to emulate? The Nordic one. Go figure.

Romanian woman from Satu-Mare;

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"To get some perspective on things, these are Romanians. No risk of any pig noses there. More likely gigantic, hooked, droopy, loooong, masculine noses that stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe since Romanians are closely related to gypsies/ Indians."

Romanians are not in any way related to Indians/gypsies. Only SOME Romanians are mixed with gypsies/Indians. I gave you a whole history lesson on this. Bascially Romanians are Indo-Europeans. Gypsies/Indians ARE NOT Indo-Europeans. When the Ottoman Empire took over you could say they gave some Romanians a more "middle eastern" look. However, then you should claim that Romanians are somewhat related to "middle eastern" people and not Indians/gypsies since they are two different things... Indians/Gypsies were not part of the Ottoman Empire. You are not stupid so either A) You don't read my comments and jump to conclusions or B) You just like to bask in ignorance...

The photo of the woman you posted was misleading. I concluded that her nose looked piggish because it seemed that her head was not tilted enough to display her nostrils like that, so therefore her nose must have been upturned to start out with. I like that woman's nose. Her nose is more romantic and elegant in my opinion. However, this doesn't really make a point. It seems from the examples you post that most Scandinavian Nords have the upturned noses, that sometimes can even be a bit robust even when they are small. There are many Scandinavians with nice noses, however in no way do they ALL have extremely attractive noses. I mentioned before that in my opinions Nordics like Germans, Irish, even English often display nice noses than specifically Scandinavian noses...

You try to point out that Eastern Europeans have hooked noses. Is there a reason that you constantly bring up Romanians? You say that personal attacks are uncalled for, however what is this? I have not claimed that Romanians have the most attractive noses, only that you can find more "elegant" noses among groups like Romanians over Scandinavians. I have not stated that more Romanians have better noses than Scandinavians however. Besides, I believe the noses in Italy and Germany to be overall nicer than most Romanian and Eastern European noses...

I just personally do not like Scandinavian noses. I like Nordic noses, like German or Irish noses. However, not Scandinavian noses. I am sure many people would agree with me...

You have no really good points. My assumption is that you posted the photo of that woman in such a misleading way, because in that photo her nose looks shorter compared to her other photos. When I comment on what a more "ideal" nose is, you then post photos of her with a longer more elegant nose. You try to paint a picture in a biased way. It doesn't work.

You can't counteract every argument I have by posting photos of specifically Romanians. I target Scandinavian groups because you claim that Nordics have the most attractive noses. You then proceed to post photos of only Swedes up as your examples. I have concluded from this you claim that Swedes or Scandinavians have the most attractive noses and therefore I target Swedes in my argument to counteract yours.

I have not stated that Romanians specifically have the most attractive noses. I have just stated that there are attractive noses among Romanians, sometimes more attractive than certain Scandinavian noses. This was all done to counteract your argument that all Eastern Europeans have hooked big noses. This is simply not true.

You are making a much bigger argument here by claiming all Scandinavians have the MOST ideal nose. I have never made an argument that any specific group has the MOST IDEAL NOSE. Therefore, it is a personal attack on me that you post photos up of Romanians that have bumpy noses. This doesn't even work because those photos do not represent an entire population, however you try to give the impression that they do. You believe that the best way to prove your point is with photos, however it is not. Photos can be cherry picked and they never represent a whole population. Even if you were to compare two photos of people in the same setting from a different ethincity, it would still not be an accurate representation. The fact that you believe your own arguments shows how ignorant you are even though you know better...

"The photo of the woman you posted was misleading. I concluded that her nose looked piggish"

No, it was not. It was just a nice picture. Not intended to lead or mislead. There was no proof of a "pig nose" anywhere in that picture. You just ASSUMED the worst. You rushed to judgment since you HATE, absolutely hate, Nordic women. Everyone who reads your nonsense here sees that.

"Romanians are not in any way related to Indians/gypsies. Only SOME Romanians are mixed with gypsies/Indians."

Contradict yourself much? Yes, the majority of them are related, more or less. You only have to look at them to see that. The first time I saw pictures of Romanians, and I have seen many by now, I though, wow, they look just like the gypsy shoplifters in Sweden!

"I gave you a whole history lesson on this. "

History lesson? You? Don't make me laugh. You are a GYPSY people, mixed with Slavs, basically. There are exceptions, but you are very swarthy, and many have huge, enormous, as in MASSIVE, noses that don't even EXIST in ethnic Nordics.

And I didn't have to look long and hard, either. Oh no, there are millions..tons..of these pictures of women with ugly noses the size of Mount Everest out there. Adn those are the ones who post their pictures! What do the other ones look like? No wonder you are so full of hate.

"When the Ottoman Empire took over you could say they gave some Romanians a more "middle eastern" look. However, then you should claim that Romanians are somewhat related to "middle eastern" people and not"

Yeah, the Turks work miracles for the looks, don't they? Turks and gypsies/hindus mixed with Slavs...what a combo! Get real, before you trash Nordics, probably the most beautiful girls on earth, take a look at the MESS in your own back-yard, nitwit.

If you continue your pig nose labelling of PERFECT Nordic women I will certainly continue to show what YOU look like in Romania, and trust me..that picture will not be pretty since it IS not pretty.

Russian or Polish girls look like beauty queens in comparison to Romanians, for example. The fact that you have the utter stupidity and audacity to even begin to criticise Nordic noses in that derogatory and UGLY manner, is HILARIOUS. My god, look at yourselves!

Erik has a whole section devoted to Nordic noses and the beauty and perfection of the Nordic nose. Do you think any of your Romanian Slavic/gypsy/hindu noses will appear in any such section any time soon...except in the awful "before" section in the plastic surgery photos, that is?

"You try to point out that Eastern Europeans have hooked noses. Is there a reason that you constantly bring up Romanians? You say that personal attacks are uncalled for, however what is this? I have not claimed that Romanians "

You bring up Scandinavians in particular, over and over. So I will bring up Romanians, as they are perfect examples of noses people DON'T want.

Your noses are some of THE most unattractive and large ones I have EVER seen in my life, so if you think that your comments that reek with envy and hatred against my people, thinly veiled, will keep me from pointing out your obvious envy, and the physical shortcomings that are the obvious motivation behind your envy, you are mistaken.

"You have no really good points."

And what are yours? You, a Romanian with a large, hooked nose that you call "roman", say you don't like Nordic noses. You make me laugh. Fine, you don't like them, in fact, you hate them. Gee, I wonder why. You say the fact that you don't like them is the reason why you point it out all the time. Guess, what. I'll throw that right back at you. I don't LIKE your noses either, so that's why I point out what they generally look like and why I don't like them. Just like you do. The difference between us is that most people share my taste - not yours.

LOL Emily. Thanks for posting what you just posted. It just reveals EXACTLy how mest up you are. You have to be one of the most ignorant people I know. You don't have any points. You get so much pleasure out of imagining me as a gypsy/slavic mix with an ugly hooked nose. LOL Keep on dreaming honey... The reality is not so... LMAO it's actually so funny. I realized that you just find comfort in hoping everyone that argues with you looks hideous. OK.

"You can't counteract every argument I have by posting photos of specifically Romanians. I target Scandinavian groups because you claim that Nordics have the most attractive noses. You then proceed to post photos of only Swedes up as your examples. I have concluded from this you claim that Swedes or Scandinavians have the most attractive noses and therefore I target Swedes in my argument to counteract yours."

Don't tell me what I can and cannot do in terms of arguments. You, who troll, flame, personally attack and call me "whore and "cow" are in no position AT ALL to give me any lectures. Do you understand?

So, you admit that you "target" Scandinavians. What else is new. You write nonsense. "Piggish" is not an argument. It is an insult.

You only make a fool of yourself. You forget that people have eyes and that they can see..
You forget that pictures are viewed objectively, without taking your nonsense into account. Writing a derogatory word under a picture won't change how people see that photo. Sorry.

"I have not stated that Romanians specifically have the most attractive noses. I have just stated that there are attractive noses among Romanians, sometimes more attractive than certain Scandinavian noses. This was all done to"

You wish. That highly subjective opinoion is not shared by most people, hardly by any, in fact. The exceptions will always be there, those won't change the rule, however.

"counteract your argument that all Eastern Europeans have hooked big noses. This is simply not true."

No, not all of them. I never said so. Many of them do have very unattractive noses. It was shockingly evident when I started looking at their photos. I run into them VERY quickly when I look for pictures. They are very common.

"You are making a much bigger argument here by claiming all Scandinavians have the MOST ideal nose. I have never "

Don't put words in my mouth. I never use the word "all". Generally speaking, the Nordic nose found in Scandinavia in Hallstatt and Borreby types here, is the most beautiful one. It is generally straight, fine, not large, and feminine. It is the ideal to most people. So what? Writing piggish under a perfect nose won't make it less perfect. It will make you look like a fool, however.

Show me someone who goes to the plastic surgeon asking for a gypsy- or Indian-type nose, a large Slavic nose, or a broad and flat Asian one. Why don't they? Tell me! Why don't they?

Why do they ask for the Nordic type..fine, straight, smallish, maybe with a slightly upward-pointing tip, or just a straight one, instead of a droopy tip, if it is not the ideal? You are in a serious state of denial.

As for cherry-picking photos, it is not a valid argument on your part since they are COMMON, FREQUENT, NORMAL, REPRESENTATIVE. They are not anomalies, not rarely occurring, not exceptions. They are valid examples of what Romanian noses usually look like.

I don't show noses of only one type. I show straight noses, too. As a rule they are much larger, often but not always hooked, much longer and more massive and dominating than Scandinavian noses.

Ps. I didn't sign the previous comment but it was mine.

My opinion:

Not all easterners are alike. Northerners ones like russias differ from balkan. Northern slavics have got shorter noses, while southerners longers ones.

Southeasterners according to my observation have wave noses, not hooked. I think that they have loger noses too, but of course within the european mean (no way as long as the arab one). Even though the hooked nose is found on a higher average when compared to other European countries. I think it will stand out depending on the eastern country that is being refered.

Another fact is that photos on internet are not prove of anything. Many southeasterners europeans being described as gypsoids are indeed real gypsies. The same way many people show photos of swedish and describe their looks when in reality they are displaying pictures of finns. Also pics of lapps visiting Finland are used to prove finns look like that, when in reality they don't. The same with north african and spaniards, tartars and russias, etc.

As to the country who leads in number of people owning a hooked nose, definitivally greeks takes the prize.

lol no matter what I say you will twist it and turn it and find something wrong with it. So why should I care anymore?

I'd rather not say anything and leave you to enjoy your miserable self...

I find to be funny is that northern europeans wherever you go are depicted as the most beautiful direct or indirectly. Even haters once in their lives prized the beauty of northerners.

On another hand on anthropoly or racial forums throughout internet terms as piggish nose, piggish-cancer skin, lifeless eyes are used to describe them. So the once beautiful people are no longer beautiful. Now even arabs, japaneses or indians look better. Racial communities are filled with people proud of their racial heritage trying to convince others that northerners don't live up to their fame. Once those haters realize northerners look better on average they begin to spread they are mixed with something else non-white or non-northerner. I'm aware sometimes It makes them to act boastfully and arrogant, but It's not reason to deny they are aesthetically superior on average.

Youy know what. I don't give a shit. I don't have to be the most beautifull or even beautiful to succeed in life. I see no problem on assuming they look better on average. I don't have inferiority complex. Also I'm able to assume they are better look without look down other heritages like the owner of this site has done, despite the fact he can't perceive that. And It does't matter how many ugly northern people you haters will always bring up, because there will always be a greater amount of ugly people in your country.

Northern people are not a race apart. They are not simply blond blue-eyed people, they are brunet and brown eyed too. They are simply people living in northern countries. What makes them differ from other europeans is their european autheticity. Northerners represent what Europe has got of more authentic. Although admixture took place, they are purer and racially more europeans than other europeans. If northerners are not beautiful so none other european is.

Currently northerner people rule the world. Southern people had their time, now It's the northerners turn. So let It be and lasts up to changes.

lol Brazilian

That reminds me when we had exchange students come from Germany. All the guys at my school were so excited because they all wanted to meet the beautiful blue-eyed blonde Euro chick. Although I consider Germans more attractive than Finns or Swedes, there was maybe one or two attractive German girls out of 14. The guys were disapointed because we had more attractive girls here in America. There was one girl that was really attractive as she had large breasts, and hourglass shape. She had auburn hair. The guys loved the way she looked even though "auburn" hair isn't always the most attractive. It didn't matter though because she had such a nice body and pleasant face (very Nordic face). The rest of the women some with blue eyes and blonde hair and typical "Nordic" looks weren't attractive at all. It really put a new perspective on things. I mean I know that there shouldn't be a judgement on only a small sample of a population, however they all LOOKED very German, just not like attractive Germans.

You claim that Northern Europeans are so idolized everywhere, but I don't believe this to be so true. After all it is the Northern European blue eyes and blonde hair that is more often idolized than their bone structure. Because if you look at their bone structure the thin straight nose, thin long face, is what is mainly idolized too and you can find thin noses and long faces in other areas besides the Nordic country as well. Besides, you are correct. Northern Europe has taken over everything. Doesn't it make sense that they are now the standard for beauty? They are also the richest countries, where few people are malnourished and most people have the means to buy things to take care of themselves.

What I am trying to say is that I believe everyone has this idea that Northern Europeans are most attractive because:
A) They rule the world
B) They are rich countries. You see girls in Northern Europe with fake tans, abercrombie and fitch clothing, dyed hair, and all that jazz. Go to the south of europe and east of Europe and you will see almost no women that go fake tanning or buy fake tanner. You will see few women that dye their hair, and when they do, its always a cheap dye that doesn't look good. You will see few women that look in good shape, because they don't eat right. You will see few women with smooth skin, because they don't take care of it. Northern Europe is different.

Bone structure wise you have to agree that Southern Europeans often take the trophy. Not SouthEastern Europeans, but Southern Europeans. Southern Europeans have the most attractive skull shapes. Not too long, not too short, perfect. The women there have a nice skin tone, dark thick hair and dark thick lashes. They are generally curvy (of course Erik believe Northern European women to be the "most feminine", I agree they are AMONG the most feminine, but not more feminine than Southern European women). The only thing Southern European women don't have that NOrthern European women do, its the color palette. The color palette of blue eyes, blonde hair, red hair, green eyes, etc. However, that is a small loss compared to the bone structure of Southern European women.

It is my conclusion that culture is what makes 'Northern European' women soo beautiful. That and coloring. But coloring is a bit shallow isn't it?

I feel that a lot of this "Northern European" beauty stuff is just a bunch of crap run by Northern Europeans. After all, Erik claims the fashoin industry has done this with masculine women, I believe that culture has done this with Northern European women...

This to me isn't attractive:

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Well, the USA are overwhelmingly northern concerning heritage.

Northerners are not idolized simply because they are not gods. They are simply a better look people. No need to idolize them.

You still do not understand what northern europeans are. Northerners are not a hair color or a bone structure. They are simply the purest europeans out there. All phenotyps are found in northern countries. All ranges of europenas kinds are found in North in their authentic form. Northerners have long and short noses, brown or blond hair, brown or blue eyes, robust or thin faces.

As I have stated It's an common behaviour on anthroboads to depict northerners badly. No matter how many ugly people a person see in a north country. One is more likely to found a greater amount of ugly people in any other country. If northerners are not beautiful none other european can be. They define what europeans are.

If you don't like people with robust face, so find one with a thin face. Northerners have come in all shapes. These northerners women are routh and masculine are myths spread on anthroboards by people proud of their racial heritage. Just like the myth northern people are simply blond and blue-eyed. Ugly people and masculine woman are just types that can be found in north countries, they are part of the diversity.

You don't have to find them beautiful or even to like them to assume they are in the edge. Saying they drawn attention because of their color traits just display your prejudice.

Nordic people are not all that, most are ugly, the others are even worse. Go figure. Even their uglies seem less ugly.

Erik,
I am glad i am annoying to you...I must be doing something right! I wanted to challenge some of your "ideas" which i did. Knowing you, you don't take too well to anyone challenging your "know it all and be it all". You are being somewhat unfair to me...i think, but i am done playing this homophobic card.
You think all i am doing is posting nonesense? Do you really want me to tell people what you really think about other etnicities? forget homosexuality. Apart from Emily how many people do you think will "respect" your point of views when they find out?
You clearly haven't paid attention to my "positive/on topic" posts such as where i have praised your choice of models etc. Also let me repeat i agree with many of the things you point out on this site!!! Hopefully that is clear...
I don't really want this to be another Malcom A case...Although seeing many pictures of the East and South Europeans posted by Emily is making me side with him somewhat.

Emily Darling i am BACK!!!!

1. Marilyn Monroe had a nose job and chin implant....i thought you would know that!

2. Is this model really an example of feminine Swedish beauty? LOL Her face screams Slavic! Notice her robust cheekbone area? I thought Nordic women had narrow long faces?
Also notice her masculine Forehead/nose region. Also Why don't you post a picture of her smiling from the side....Her nose has a tendency to be hooked. Don't you see the little bump in her nose??? Wow....
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I mean i have a more "Nordic" nose than her. My nose doesn't have a bump and is slightly upturned :)
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3. Wow are you really posting her as an example of feminine beauty? Can't you see her manly/broad jaw region? Also notice her broad features such as nose....which is bulbousy!
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4. This is a Slavic face! Notice her roundish/robust facial structure...can't you notice that? Pay attention to the cheekbone area
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Now Before you get enraged and start posting pictures of Indian women to attack me. I want to make clear i am not saying Indian women are better looking or even to compare them. I am simply asking you about the pictures of the women you poasted. A few of them looked cute....like the three young cheerleaders. But the vast majority have those Slavic and or unappealing features by your definition. So what is going on here? As long as they are Swedish and have light hair and light eyes...they are very attractive? And if your not posting these women as feminine Swedish women then what exactly is the point of posting pictures of these women here? when this site deals with feminine beauty.

Peter: This website is private property. When you are being asked to behave in the comments and not trash the threads, you should respect the request. I care little about the extent to which you agree with me or have any praise for me. Reading comments where people have nothing but agreement or praise for me serves little purpose. I prefer critical commentary as it helps me improve my arguments. If you read the rest of the site you will see me engaging in discussion with many hostile individuals, and in most cases I have not given them a warning to behave. And I have asked Emily to behave. Since I have very little free time, you will also observe lots of critical commentary that has gone unanswered. So you cannot accuse me of not taking criticism well or giving a free pass to those who agree with me.

The reason you are a problem is that you indulge in too many foul debating techniques. You started with implying that I am being annoyed because you have valid criticisms of my arguments, which is nothing but arrogance on your part. You stated that you won’t play the homophobia card, slyly accusing me of being homophobic, an ad hominem because I have extensively documented anything unflattering I have said about homosexuality, and this is also a digression because the aspects of homosexuality you have brought into the discussion are not related to this site. You suggest, implicitly, that I have a negative opinion of most ethnicities, which is an ad hominem. You surely must not have missed the extensive citations of scientific literature within this site. My arguments rest on this literature and tangible materials such as pictures and videos. These arguments are not affected or undermined by whatever my view of most ethnicities is.

And again you are back to baiting Emily and posting comments that are a waste of time to address. I hope she doesn’t take the bait. Let us see what you posted.

#1. Marilyn Monroe had a nose job and chin implant.

So? Emily has posted pictures of Marilyn Monroe in two contexts: to make the argument that Marilyn was basically a Nordic type and that her concave nose profile is found among many Nordic women. Neither argument is undermined by your comment.

#2. Feminine Swedish beauty?

You laughed at what Emily has allegedly passed off as a feminine Swedish beauty. But Emily never made this claim. Emily used the model to make an argument about the nose profile, not about femininity. You made a comment about her robust cheekbones and Slavic appearance, which are not observable in the picture you posted, and you ignored all other pictures of this model posted by Emily only a few comments above, where it is clear that her cheekbones are neither robust not her facial appearance classically Slavic. You also mentioned a tendency toward a hook nose in this model, but it isn’t there.

You wrote, “I thought Nordic women had narrow long faces?” Well, you thought incorrectly and Emily has never made this argument. The argument is that Nordics have narrower and longer faces than some other populations. Obviously, variation in face length or breadth within populations exceeds that between populations. So you are wasting everyone’s time by bringing in such issues.

Then you said that your nose is more Nordic than this model’s, which is patently ridiculous. What makes a nose Nordic in light of the fact that most nose shape variation is found within populations, not between populations, especially if the populations are limited to European derived? Obviously a high frequency of, higher than in other populations, a cluster of variables. Your picture doesn’t reveal the Nordic cluster, and this would be clearer in a front view of your nose.

#3. Wow are you really posting her as an example of feminine beauty?

Where has Emily claimed her to be a feminine beauty? Some comments above, Emily posted her picture as an example of a Swede with a slightly concave nose profile.

#4. This is a Slavic face!

Where has Emily claimed that there is no overlap between Nordic and Slavic faces?

#. Other points.

You wrote to Emily, “As long as they are Swedish and have light hair and light eyes...they are very attractive?” This has never been Emily’s argument but a stupid strawman that is effectively bait. Hair and eye colors are not being discussed within this thread; the discussion is about face shape, particularly nose shape.

You also wrote to Emily, “And if your not posting these women as feminine Swedish women then what exactly is the point of posting pictures of these women here? when this site deals with feminine beauty.” If you cannot answer this question, which should be self evident from reading the comments, then why are you wasting our time by leaving comments? Besides, as this site makes it clear, feminine beauty is not “feminine = beauty” but “feminine beauty = feminine + beauty.” So there are many aspects of beauty in women unrelated to femininity that are worth discussing and relevant to this website.

Why should the readers of this site have to deal with your poor comments and foul debating techniques? Either add value to this site or leave on your own. I will address your other arguments when I have the time. There is one place where I will be leaving a second warning to you because you persisted with foul arguments after being warned.

This guy, Erik, is making all of you paranoid just like him.

If you pick up a woman to point every 100% feminine trait as Erik has claimed, so less than 1% of women world population would be feminine.

It doesn't have to be perfect. Harmony of traits is what matter.

It doesn't matter how robust that woman mandible appears because It fits her very well and she looks womanly to the bone. I would never mistake her for man, not even slightly.

I doubt Erik's wife or girlfriend fits his claims 100%.

[bold]I mean i have a more "Nordic" nose than her. My nose doesn't have a bump and is slightly upturned :)

4. This is a Slavic face! Notice her roundish/robust facial structure...can't you notice that? Pay attention to the cheekbone area[/bold]

Bullshit and ignorance. You are the typical anthroboard cliche. Pay attention to the fact that many slavics have got long faces.

When wil all you learn that northeners don't resembler southern europeans or slavics. It's the contrary. Slavics and southern europeans are the ones who resembler northeners. Northerners represent the sinthesys of all europeans. They are europeans in their authentic form. Even those so called southerners and slavics kinds classified by outdated and fake science as mediterranens, dinarics, baltid, alpine are more likely to be found in northern side in their purest or authentic form.

Southern Latins and southern slavics are mixed with northern africans and levantines, northern slavics are mixed with uralics. Not fully white not fully european.

Meds are found in England in their purest form, while in Iberia they are mixed with northern africans

Alpines are found in Germany and North France in their purest form, while in Greece they are mixed with levantines and also northern africans

Dinarics are found in North Italy and South Germany in their purest form, while in Balkans they are mixed with levantines.

Baltids are found in East Germany and any nordic country in their authentic form, while in Russia, Bielorussia and Ukrania they are mixed with uralics and sometimes mongoloids.

All of you southerners and easterners are a bunch of arrogant wanna be

Brazilian,
Wow where did you come from??? I am not a Southern or Eastern European...I am Indian. Let me guess...your another "Nordic loving" Brazilian?

Erik,
Oh my Dear Erik...I have been behaving recently haven't i? I am back after more than a week. I have an answer to everything you mentioned! When you "claim" that i am making stuff up then i have to clarify things which means i have to maybe go "off topic"
Here goes...

1. Emily has indeed mentioned Marilyn Monroe as a Nordic type to which i agree and have never said otherwise. Emily has also called Marilyn gorgeous...which i think is unfair since she has had cosmetic surgery (maybe Emily isn't/wasn't aware of this?). However minor her procedures might be...I have seen her before and after pictures and she looks much better after the procedures. For example you have mentioned Gisele Bunchon's nose job a few times on this site as an "excuse" for her to be maybe better looking but she isn't. Additionally Emily has used pictures of Marilyn after her procedures which i don't think is valid in "evaluating" her looks.

2. The model in question has a slight bump on her nose which should be observable to you? Especially in the quarter side view. Also her nose has a tendency to be hooked. Interestingly you didn't notice this. When i saw clearer pics of her especially when her hair was pulled back, to me her face looked similar to many Slavic girls i have seen. She clearly has Slavic elements to her face. I have had sufficient interaction with different types of Europeans to know the "differences". I would say she is borderline Slavic looking. If that makes any sense? She could be either. She doesn't have a "classically" Slavic or Nordic face.

3. Emily hasn't posted pictures of this model from side view so how can you or i assume she is being posted here as an example of someone with a concave nose profile? :D

4. "Where has Emily claimed that there is no overlap between Nordic and Slavic faces?"
I will let you read the following statements by Emily...

"There are several types of Swedes, and there are different face shapes. Some are less oval/long than others. They are not Slavic in type, though. A Swedish girl can have an oval face approaching a "roundish" face, without looking Slavic OR being robust, and actually many of them do have those types of faces.

And there are also non-Nordic girls who have oval/long faces but who still look Slavic. Try to understand that concept. There is a difference which you will see right away if you are truly white."

Erik are you sure eye and hair color are not being talked about here? Maybe instead of asking me to read and look at pictures above you need to do so. You assume too much about me! You assumed i didn't see multiple pictures of the model brought up in point 2. I did and that doesn't change the fact that she still has the "Slavic" element or a bump in her nose.
By Emily...
"You are ethnically Slavic with a short body, round, broad face, a hooked nose and brown eyes, and that's it. They are overwhelmingly brunettes. The eyes are most often brown or yellowish brown (hazel)to very dark brown. Their skin looks dirty and not truly white, as if they are not entirely clean. There is often a yellowish hue, probably due to the gypsy/Hindu influence.

Many like to tone their hair blonde, in a vain effort to look like Northern Eurpean women. In pictures I have seen they sometimes add a blue color over the brown iris, resulting in an unflattering and fake effect. They seem to admire the nordic blonde and blue colors but these are off-limits to them. The result can be clown-like and I think it's best for them to work within their own natural color range."

"The problem is that WE blonde, washed out, Northern Eurpeans don't have anything to gain. We stand to lose a lot, however. Our "washed out" hair colors that WE like very much, gorgeous blue, green and grey eye colors and light, creamy skin, for example.
Dark brown hair, probably bottle-blonde, round, broad and coarse face, large hooked nose and tan skin. That's the truth in the mirror for you. No way you are a natural blonde. All your attacks on Nordics and blondes here make anyone see that you have a deep envy towards them."

Why is Emily bringing up eye and hair color? Is it just me who is Digressing and pulling eye and hair color out of the blue?

Erik you surely must have read this comment by me?

"The last girl with the pig tails has blue eyes, the boy above her green and the girl above with grey/green (like Aishwariya). Where did i say all or even the majority of Indians have light eyes?
I am just "challenging" your monopoly on Nordics only having all those "gorgeous" eye colors.

I don't understand why you stick to such stupid things as hair and eye colors??? really?
Do you ever hear me going around and saying that NO other type of people (maybe except Latinos...who are recent) have a huge diversity of skin colors. In India you can find people with black, dark brown, medium brown, light brown and white skin. Should i be proud of this diversity and rub it in people's faces? Who decides eye color or hair color is more "beautiful" than skin colors? After all skin is the largest "organ" on the body and a ready indicator of health.
What do you say to that my Dear Emily
I could easily post pictures of tons of Indians (i mean many) with naturally light eyes....but then where would we be?"

Now let me make this clear....Emily has put Nordic (Swedish women) as high standards of "feminine beauty". You can see this if you read some of her comments. She is critical of every little detail. For example she continues to call Ekaterina's nose hooked when it is not. There is a bump in her nose but it is not droopy at the tip...there is a difference. Therefore the model in point 2 also has a little bump (not a huge one) on her nose. So WHY should other people not be critical of the "beautiful/gorgeous/perfect" Nordic women?

Erik regarding my nose you said it doesn't fall in the Nordic cluster then which cluster does it fall in? I never claimed my nose is Nordic or i am Nordic! Thats why i put Nordic in quotation marks when comparing my nose to that model. My nose is straight....no bump/hump, is slightly upturned at the tip and has a smoother forehead to nose continuity compared to that model and hence making it more "Nordic" looking. Off course i am just using self evaluation here but i have read your various posts on noses on this site. I do have the nasal thickening at the top by the eyebrows, flattening of bones and thinning in the middle and a comparatively broader tip when compared to the middle of the nose. All these variables make my nose more "European/Nordic" yes? I think so...I hope your not going to say my nose is Mongoloid or Autraloid? The other two racial elements in India. I believe ignoring my skin color i lean towards a Caucasoid look But if you somehow "convince" me i am in between Caucasoid and Mongoloid (like you claim most Indians are). I will not be affected in the least.
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I Disagree that i am using foul debating techniques...I am not a member of any debating club or have a certificate in it. I am here to learn and improve my self. Ok yes maybe some of the things i said are ad hominem...for example what you think of other ethnicities. But believe me they are all related! For example if you think less of an ethnicity...you will be more "compelled" to find unflattering stats and/or comparisons. Do you not agree?
I can go on about this homosexuality "debate" with you but you said you will respond elsewhere so i will wait. See i am "improving"?
Hugs :p xxx!

Brazilian,
Wow where did you come from??? I am not a Southern or Eastern European...I am Indian. Let me guess...your another "Nordic loving" Brazilian?

No. I just can't stand how harshy everyone is toward nordic people. It's a anthroboard odyssey: nordics against all and all against nordics. Anyway I was aware you're indian. How can I stand uglier people tying to be more beautiful than better looking people?

I can live very happy with the fact nordic people look better on average, while other ethnicities can't. Inferioty complex from all of you.

All this nordic types is complete crap. All types are nordic types. The actress Kristin Davis (search google) is as nordic as Marilyn Monroe. As I have stated nordic doesn't mean blond blue eyed or snub nose. Nordic are all europeans in their authentic forms. Unfortunatly even nordic people themselves are ignorant about their own diversity.

Your nose isn't a nordic nose, It's simply your nose. Just because straight noses with the tip pointed up are highly found in nordic countries It doesn't mean it restrict to nordic people and It doesn't define nordic nose as long as nordic people have got diverse types of noses. Even though nordics are diverse, It is always blond nordics with snub noses that are mostly ever the target of bashing from anthroboads members.

Anyway you are indian. Indians, like arabs, overlap many traits with europeans, although not as much refined or good look.

Now let me make this clear....Emily has put Nordic (Swedish women) as high standards of "feminine beauty". You can see this if you read some of her comments. She is critical of every little detail. For example she continues to call Ekaterina's nose hooked when it is not. There is a bump in her nose but it is not droopy at the tip...there is a difference. Therefore the model in point 2 also has a little bump (not a huge one) on her nose. So WHY should other people not be critical of the "beautiful/gorgeous/perfect" Nordic women?

Although your aguments are not andressed to me I must say I agree with you on that. Ekaterina nose isn't hooked and you know It very well. As long as a great portion of indians have got hooked-huge-droopy nose, you are very aware on what such kind of nose is and could school us on this subject.

By the way, Peter, would you mind to put up a photo of your nose nostrils and of front side? By looking at your nostrils we can define how swedish or even european your nose is similar to. From my observation It's one of those strike traits that sets europeans apart from others caucasoids.

Also would you mind to put up a photo of a swedish that you think has a nose like that of yours?

Compare the nostrils. How many europeans or nordics have got nostrils like that of yours Peter? I suppose almost zero.

You have the typical rounded nostrils of asians. just like this guy:

Give up.

Peter your a joke

"Peter your a joke" by - (I am guessing Emily Darling?)

Is that the best you can do? :P

You need to focus on your spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
In the context you provided, you would use you're instead of your.

Your - Is that your cat?
You're - You are.

Learn, and then attempt to insult someone.

Brazilian,
" How can I stand uglier people tying to be more beautiful than better looking people?"
You calling me UGLY is totally uncalled for...for many reasons.
I never asked you to adress my looks...How dare you? Did you feel better after doing that? I never claimed to be better looking than Nordic people. Why don't you post your pic so we can see how "beautiful" you really are.
You calling me UGLY was unexpected and uncalled for but doesn't affect me in the least.

"I can live very happy with the fact nordic people look better on average, while other ethnicities can't. Inferioty complex from all of you."

You seem to be suffering from low self esteem/inferiority complex. I don't have an inferiority complex and have above average self esteem. Where have i trashed Nordics? Do you read? I admire Nordic people as well.
I really question/pity how you came to believe that one group of people (a rare minority) is better looking on average than others. Is it the media influence that got to you? You remind me of some of my countrymen (Indians) who worship White skin and anything "associated" with it. In your case it seems to be Nordics. From what i have heard in Latin America this "White loving" is prevalent as well.
Good for you that you think Nordics look better on average but why should others who disagree with you be suffering from low self esteem?

You seem very much like Emily....hmmm i wonder...
You asking for my pictures was extremely creepy. Do you usually ask people for pictures of their nostrils so you can glance inside? What creeped me out even more was you using my picture! You must have saved it somewhere on your computer in order to crop it. YIKES!
Who was the other person that saved someone's picture and "edited" it? yeah thought so...
Don't ask me for my pictures again. I don't owe you anything.
You have no idea what you are talking about...Calling someone ugly and judging/assuming what their nostrils look like from profile pictures? WOW If your not Emily then you have surpassed her....

"Compare the nostrils. How many europeans or nordics have got nostrils like that of yours Peter? I suppose almost zero."
Really? and this after you mentioned Nordic looks are diverse and all types can be found there etc...
Way to contradicting yourself!
I could actually post pictures of different Europeans and go into this debate with you. But someone like you is not "worth" my time. As well Erik will not like that :)

"You have the typical rounded nostrils of asians. just like this guy"
If the following picture doesn't shut you up then i don't know what will. Your "ignorance" is disturbing. How can you tell if my nostrils are rounded by looking at profile pictures? or are you assuming that since i am ugly and by your "standards" Nordics are gorgeous and my nostrils can't be similar to them?

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So are my nostrils rounded? Be honest LOL

"Give up"
No you give up....give up making assumptions, give up having an inferiority complex, give up coming up with false/ridiculous information and so on.
Now leave me alone and don't ask me for any more pics....which you will no doubt add to your collection and bring up to prove your "point" in the future. I am glad i did not post my frontal pic. God knows what kind of people visit "these sites"

*Motivational message*
Don't let media or anyone tell you, you are "less"/ not as good looking as a group of people such as Nordics. Embrace your difference. Don't give into this nonesense. I am confident in my looks and i will never admit that Nordics look better than me. Just fyi most of the attention/admiration for my looks, i get from Nordics.

Looks like Peter won the last round Brazilian LOL.

Thank you Ekaterina, I wasnt attempting to insult Ive read all his posts. Peter No Im not Emily, shes a joke too.

Thank you Ekaterina,I wasnt attempting to insult I have read all his posts. Peter,no im not Emily,shes a joke too.

Peter,

Thank you for putting up the pic I asked for. Ok, you have proved I was wrong. Fine. I already deleted your picture from my computer. Blame It on you as long as you make yourself public. I'll no longer ask for pics of yours.

When I wrote the following line How can I stand uglier people tying to be more beautiful than better looking people? I wasn't andressing it exclusively to you, but to all non-northerners who have participated on anthroboards bashing northern people.

Anyway I said uglier, not ugly. It can imply less beautiful or not so good looking.

And no man, I dare not put up my pic. Why should I do? If you make yourself public you must get ready for opinions even It getting you annoyed.

I'm looking foward to know from you or whoever why the big fuss on others regarding nordics (I prefer northerners) as aesthetically superior. What's the big deal? It's plain and simple prejudice against them. Would you regard me with inferiority complex if I were prizing iranians with the award? No way. Simply bias against northern europeans.

I like that odd thing of being the brazilian siding with nordics when the subject is beauty. I can only laugh at my people when they regard themselves as the most beautiful. How about those indians and venezuelans trying to impose their misses universe as a prove of their aesthetic superiority. Damn It.

There are many beauty around the world but nothing that compares or catch up nordics regarding average. Beautiful people simply can't be compared because It relies on taste. A beautiful indian woman is as beautiful as a nordic woman. Beautiful is simply beautiful. No dispute on that. However the whole population average can't compare to the nordic average. Even if one takes only the healthy and high society of any country out of the nordic board and compares with the whole northern population It still doesn't reach the same level. They live up to their fame and even their uglies look less ugly.

Even worse are those adjectives used to regard what is beautiful as ugly. The once refined, pointed and high bridge nose now is piggish nose. The fair skin is now cancer, piggish rose or even albino. The bright blue eyes are now lifeless eyes. The once golden hair is now washed out. The symmetric traits turn out lame or boring. What a hell! Prejudice, prejudice and prejudice.

"She clearly has Slavic elements to her face. I have had sufficient interaction with different types of Europeans to know the "differences". I would say she is borderline Slavic looking. If that makes any sense? She could be either. She doesn't have a "classically" Slavic or Nordic face."

Here you show your ignorance again. I have "interacted" with my own people ever since I was born here in SWEDEN, and have lived here my whole life. I am more qualified than you to say what we look like here, if you don't mind.

I wouldn't choose pictures of a Swedish girl if she was not representative for Swedes and Nordics in general. This girl has NOTHING Slavic about her face. It is gracile, oval, no high and massive Slavic cheekbones, no round and coarse face, no oversized, overlong or hooked Slavic nose, and no it is not bumpy, nor hooked. Besides, a bump doesn't make it non-Nordic. A truly hooked nose is however not racially Nordic. You said Ekaterina's nose was not hooked when I said it was, and now you say this Swedish girl's nose is? You must be insane, blind, or both.

Swedish girl profile;

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Ekaterina (Russian) profile;

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The Swedish girl also has a typically Scandinavian well-defined chin, not a weak one, which many Slavs have. She is very much a Swedish girl and very representative in that you see women with a similar physical appearance everywhere here.

People apparently need to understand that the Hallstatt type is NOT the only type here, not even the most common one, either. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

The only thing a little less common about her face would be her gonial angles. They are not the most common type, but there are those who have that type of sharp gonial angles;

Swedish girl;

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The most common type is this more feminine form;

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Here are more pictures of this typically Scandinavian girl;

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Saying she looks Slavic is like saying Kate Winslet looks Slavic or Native American. That would actually make more sense since her face is a lot more coarse with heavy cheekbones, and she has the hooked nose you often see in Britain. Still, she is not Slavic at all.

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Now, THIS is what truly Slavic girls looks like;

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As for Marilyn she is indeed a gorgeous Nordic. She had a minor nose job, I think. Her cute potatoe nose still looks very much genuine and not fake or overly changed in any way. Saying she is disqualified because of that from being gorgeous and admired is just crazy since that would mean we must exclude basically all actresses, especially Asian and Indian ones.

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Brazilian:
"What a hell! Prejudice, prejudice and prejudice."

Some people say a lot of stuff that aren't true, for no other reason than to hurt others. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to ignore such people, and there are usually a few listeners who actually believe them, at least initially. In this case, I do think that the percentage of such people is very low (comments online tend not to be representative of everyone in real life), and that some well-thought clarifications should be able to resolve whatever non-emergency problems that you might still have.

Emilyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! My beloved! My dearest! Your back.....oh how i missed you :D
Why did you leave me? :(

"You must be insane, blind, or both"
Yes my Love YABA DABA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am a little CUCKOOOOOOOOO!!!! LOL haha you make me laugh!

1. Anyways Let me see if i can "educate" you a little...You seem to not know what constitutes a hooked nose. A hooked nose is one where there is a downward slope of the nose/droopy tip. This is different from a bump in the nose. Many people who have hooked noses also may have bumps in the nose. Ekaterina's nose although not hooked/droopy tip, does have a bump.
Here are a few pictures to illustrate my point.
This is a Scandanavian man...notice how there isn't a hump/bump but the tip is droopy and hence hooked.
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This is a South European man with a similar nose...no hump/bump but a droopy tip
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I hope that will be enough? In the end Ekaterina's nose is not hooked!

2. I really don't want to get into this Marilyn Monroe debate...But you forgot to acknowledge that she also had a chin implant. Have you seen her before and after pictures? She looks MUCH better after and the change was noticeable. I never said she was ugly before. But i don't think its fair to say she was gorgeous because she had an oppertunity to "improve" her looks...which she certainly DID! A minor nose job or major...who is to "judge"? It is still an oppertunity to improve one's looks.

3. "Here you show your ignorance again. I have "interacted" with my own people ever since I was born here in SWEDEN, and have lived here my whole life. I am more qualified than you to say what we look like here, if you don't mind.

YEAH? and yet you go on "selectively" posting pictures of Indian, Slavic and Asian women as representatives? Do you not think I or someone who is East Asian or Slavic would be better qualified to do that? It goes both ways honey!

4. "You said Ekaterina's nose was not hooked when I said it was, and now you say this Swedish girl's nose is? You must be insane, blind, or both."

Dearest if you look carefully Ekaterina's nose is tilted upwards at the tip. The model's nose is not and i can bet if she smiles her nose has a tendency to be hooked. Whatever happened to straight upturned Nordic noses?
Off course i could be wrong but from that picture her nose tip seems to be pointing down a little. As well i said her bump is a little one .... which you ACKNOWLEDGE? Don't make me use photo shop with an arrow pointed to show you...
Either way she is pretty but if you are going to be such a "perfectionist" so am i!

5. Pictures of girls that you posted are very beautiful this time! Especially the brunette...GOOD job!

6. "Saying she is disqualified because of that from being gorgeous and admired is just crazy since that would mean we must exclude basically all actresses, especially Asian and Indian ones."

I can't speak for East Asian but where did you get this idea that the vast majority of Indian actresses have cosmetic surgery? It is very rare in Bollywood! What is more common is skin lightening and contact lenses. But that is not plastic surgery! For example take Ashwariya Rai...She is a very well known Bollywood actress yet we all know her nose isn't straight. She could have easily gotten that fixed like Marilyn before she started movies (She entered Bollywood a few years after winning Miss World) But she didn't.

7. "This girl has NOTHING Slavic about her face. It is gracile, oval, no high and massive Slavic cheekbones, no round and coarse face, no oversized, overlong or hooked Slavic nose, and no it is not bumpy, nor hooked."

Yay! Thanks Emily :D
I feel so much better now! I have an oval face, non coarse features and a non hooked nose - straight and upturned. Means that i have a Nordic face Hooray! I am special now :P hehehe

hugs and kisses
xxx! Peter :)

No, you look like an Indian who just fell in a puddle of shit. By the way, that's the way they do it over there, isn't it. Use the streets as toilets, I mean. Your nose is disgustingly weak and feminine but since you are gay and not a real man I suppose it doesn't matter.

As for Indians in general, they are easily recognizable everywhere. No need for any special education on that topic. 99.99% look like something you flush down, and the rest look like something more closely related to humans. Of course those are always the ones you show as examples of "Indian" beauty. lol

"YEAH? and yet you go on "selectively" posting pictures of Indian, Slavic and Asian women as representatives? Do you not think I or someone who is East Asian or Slavic would be better qualified to do that? It goes both ways honey!"

Right. The difference of course being that I do know how to select appropriate pictures that accurately portray Nordics, Slavics, Asians and Indians. Not even ONCE, has anyone here challenged my pictures, saying they are not representative. Maybe because I'm not deceitful and a troll like you. You are as dumb as you look, apparently. You proved that before with your idiotic nose ranting. The Swedsh girl has a hooked nose and the Russian one that looks broken is straight. Yeah right. Nice try. Everyone here who has eyes to see with knows you are a fool by now.

Not Indians? I guess they are Nordics, right?

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Another nose that is probably straight according to "peter" since it is on an Indian. (Remember, Swedish noses are always hooked according to peter the troll, no matter how straight they are.);

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Not Indians? Unrepresentative? You wish.

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Erik,
I know you won't be deleting Emily's comments above BUT in case you even have the slightest "desire"...Don't!
I want other people to read what she has wrote.

Emily,
Do you expect me to go and cry now? Since i am sooo feminine! Your "analogies" of weak and feminine and gay and not a real man, in the same sentence are priceless! If i had low self esteem and thought i was ugly do you think i would post any pics of me here? Where the likes of people who are so critical of other people's looks haven't (hint hint). NO! So give it your best shot.

Your comments did this to me
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Emily i have always wondered why my cheeks and nose are "rosy"/pinkish? Is it makeup? or Could it be related to my Nordicness? Why don't i have massive/sharp gonial angles? Why are my ceeks not robust? Why do i have an oval face shape? Why is my forehead large? Oh and GASP could i really have Green eyes? Is that also Nordic? :D
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Yellow disgusting teeth, a forehead that is so slanting there is hardly room for a brain. Weak, feminine face and the ugly usual yellowish-brown color. You look as revolting as you behave. Posting 100 pictures won't change that.

As for India drowning in feces read this SHOCKING piece from an article in Bloomberg,

"Some 665
million Indians practice open defecation, more than half the global
total. In China, the world's most populous country, 37 million people
defecate in the open, according to Unicef.

Half of India's schools don't have separate toilets for males and
females, forcing young women to use unisex facilities or nothing at
all. Twenty-two percent of girls complete 10 or more years of
schooling compared with 35 percent of boys, a national family health
survey finished in 2006 found.

Urban dwellers aren't spared substandard hygiene. In Mumbai, Delhi and
other cities where billboards advertise the latest mobile phones and
trendy young women sport Prada handbags, the water that's piped into
homes and apartments must be filtered before drinking. And in most
homes it's available only a few hours each day.

In Devi's village, sewage and household wastewater flow along open
drains that line both sides of narrow alleyways. The fetid water
gathers in a shallow channel choking with plastic containers,
discarded footwear and household trash. A woman carrying a folded
mattress on her head steps deftly along a narrow bridge spanning the
mire. A mechanical pump chugs on the bank, sucking up the liquid to
dispense over a nearby vegetable patch. Children play around the edge,
alongside tethered, cud- chewing water buffalo.

A man walks past, clutching a water-filled plastic bottle, presumably
on his way to defecate. The rest of the slurry empties into a trench
coursing along a feces-dotted path through a field of cauliflowers. A
shoeless boy uses a long-handled spade to create a new sluice for the
black sludge to ooze over the vegetable field.

More unsettling, 17 percent of city residents, or 50 million people,
don't have toilets. Fewer than 10 percent of Indian cities have a
sewage system. About 37 percent of urban wastewater flows into the
environment untreated, where such pathogens as rotavirus,
campylobacter and human roundworm can spread via water, soil, food and
unwashed hands."

So much for Indian sophistication. Maybe you should ask the British to return?

Here is more;

"Until May 2007, Meera Devi rose before dawn each day and walked a half mile to a vegetable patch outside the village of Kachpura to find a secluded place.

Dodging leering men and stick-wielding farmers and avoiding spots that her neighbors had soiled, the mother of three pulled up her sari and defecated with the TAJ MAHAL (!) in plain view.

With that act, she added to the estimated 100,000 tons of human excrement that Indians leave each day in fields of potatoes, carrots and spinach, on banks that line rivers used for drinking and bathing and along roads jammed with scooters, trucks and pedestrians.

Governments and aid groups have strived for decades to overcome India’s sanitation challenges. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who led the movement for freedom from foreign domination, grappled with the issue almost a century ago: “The cause of many of our diseases is the condition of our lavatories and OUR BAD HABIT OF DISPOSING OF EXCRETA ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE,” Gandhi wrote in 1925. “Sanitation is more important than political independence,” he declared."

Even cats bury their own feces. Indians do it in the open and then just leave it there.

Emily: For the sake of the Gods, don’t compare dark skin to something that is flushed down the toilet or make references to people being sub-human in looks! I told you don’t take Peter’s bait. Just ignore him.

I know you are a reasonable person and realize that it is bad manners to be attacking an entire ethnic group because of the exasperating behaviors of one of them. Don’t let anger overpower your judgment. The example of the hygiene of Indians was totally uncalled for. When you have lots of poor people living in a small region, what do you expect?

Other responses.

I still don’t understand why you feel the need to correct misconceptions about the looks of Romanians, even for people who will not interact with very many of them? The way you do it, you subject yourself to flaming and create trouble for everyone. Just ignore Peter. As for me, I don’t have the time to be moderating comments. I have so many unreplied comments to respond to and sometimes I am gone for days. When I come across repeat troublemakers, I ask them to behave and give them warnings if they don’t. They have to behave ultimately or leave.

Regarding 18-year-olds, I didn’t say that Ekaterina is an exception. The point was about the nastiness of the comments. Mine have never been as nasty as some of yours. Nasty comments by others regarding some other women are usually not as extreme as the dog example, more than ameliorated by the positive things I or the fashion industry has to say about their looks, and usually not left by regulars, especially those who agree with a lot of what this site says.

And I never said that Nordics have low self-esteem. I said that it is lower, on average, than in many populations.

Brazilian: Regarding feminine, you have come up with a caricature of my arguments, again. I have never talked about 100% feminine traits. Feminine is simply on the feminine side of average for the sex, which translates to a little less than 50% of the sex, but since closely related values would be difficult to order visually, a practical statistic of the proportion of women that are discernibly more feminine than the majority is about a third of women. Feminine in women is not being able to distinguish the woman from a man. Most masculinized women are readily seen as female.

Peter: No you are not behaving. Regarding having answers to everything I mentioned, you have ignored some things I have said and the rest is a bunch of nonsense and foulness.

#1. You again brought up Marilyn Monroe, completely ignoring the two contexts in which Emily brought her up, which show that your initial criticism, to which I responded, is not applicable. These two contexts had nothing to do with a nose job or gorgeousness or Emily’s views regarding them.

#2. No hooked tendency is observable, period. Your reply even mentions ‘the “Slavic” element or a bump in her nose,’ but describing it as a Slavic element is a straw man, which Emily never indulged in. Slavic noses may have more of a certain tendency but this tendency by itself is not a Slavic element.

#3. Right, Emily hasn’t posted a profile picture of the woman, but the shadows suggest a concave nose profile.

#4. You quoted two statements from Emily as proof that Emily has claimed no overlap between Nordic and Slavic faces. Neither is proof. When Emily talks about types, she is talking about clusters, and depending on the clusters chosen, there is little to no overlap between clusters. However, your comment about a Slavic-looking Swede was specifically in response to the features of a single woman, not a cluster.

#others

Regarding hair and eye color, Emily’s statements have been in response to others, including baiting by you.

I read your comments about the light-eyed Indians. They are useless. If the argument is that blue eyes are gorgeous, you can barely challenge a ‘monopoly on Nordics only having all those “gorgeous” eye colors’ by showing a blue-eyed Indian or two because these blue eyes are very rare in Indians whereas a little over half of Nordics have blue eyes; the per capita difference is staggering. Besides, the monopoly issue is a straw man. Emily’s arguments have always been in terms of attractiveness frequencies in different populations, which I don’t see you disputing. You must not resort to straw men. Posting pictures of tons of Indians with light eyes will prove nothing as again the stark frequency difference is quite clear.

You wrote, “I don't understand why you stick to such stupid things as hair and eye colors??? really?” Where have I focused on hair and eye color? This website has been around for three and a half years, and I have never discussed hair and eye colors in the context of beauty. The people who bring this up in the comments are typically people coming from the darker populations who lack significant diversity in these areas: Godis, Zonneschijn (Z) and you. Emily’s comments on this topic have been a response to others.

Regarding where your nose falls, I am not going to bother. You need to be discouraged from leaving more comments at this site and I am only going to address foul comments, straw men and other nonsense from you. I don’t recall ever making the argument that most Indians are between ‘Caucasoid and Mongoloid.’

You may be here to learn and improve yourself, but leaving comments is not necessary to learn and you need to improve yourself before leaving comments. I am also not here to educate you about issues not related to this site.

You wrote, ‘For example if you think less of an ethnicity...you will be more “compelled” to find unflattering stats and/or comparisons. Do you not agree?’ I disagree. Scenario start: unflattering stats/comparisons make one think less of an ethnicity. So it cannot be claimed that thinking less of an ethnicity has made the person seek unflattering stats and/or comparisons in the first place. It does not follow that this person will specifically seek more unflattering stats/comparisons. The only thing that follows is that if a negative view in general is acquired then further negative arguments about the ethnicity will be more readily received but not all people will accept the negative arguments without doing some research for themselves.

So you disagree about resorting to foulness? Let me list some more examples.

a) You have been accusing people of posting under different names. Me as Emily and others, Brazilian as Emily, - as Emily, and so on. What is this? All people whom you have assumed to be the same are different individuals. Different people can have the same opinion and the same multiple opinions. More importantly, accusing different people of the being the same does nothing to address the arguments of these people, which is the thing the matters. You are resorting to foulness, plain and simple.

b) Brazilian obviously doesn’t have good command of English. He made a reference to your nostrils but was apparently meaning the fleshy alar cartilage of the sides of the nose because that is visible in the pictures whereas your nostril shapes are not. You responded by showing a picture of your nostrils. This is a waste of time, and the cartilage part doesn’t look Nordic, period. Brazilian extrapolated the cartilage shape to nostril shape, and was later corrected.

c) You went on a diatribe against Brazilian for calling you ugly, but he never did. Brazilian used the term “uglier people,” which he has clearly specified to be non-Nordics, and his comments have made it clear that he is talking about a frequency difference (more ugly people outside of northern Europe). You have exhibited poor understanding throughout. Why waste our time?

d) You wrote to Brazilian, “Good for you that you think Nordics look better on average but why should others who disagree with you be suffering from low self esteem?” Again, you put words in people’s mouth. Brazilian made no reference to low self-esteem but to an inferiority complex.

e) You leave comments such as

I have an oval face, non coarse features and a non hooked nose - straight and upturned. Means that i have a Nordic face.

Emily i have always wondered why my cheeks and nose are "rosy"/pinkish? Is it makeup? or Could it be related to my Nordicness?

Enough of these bad jokes. This site is not about you.

f) You bait people. Emily’s latest nasty comment is solely a result of your bait. This does not mean she is not responsible for the nastiness, but you are the one who angered her and made her write it. People say things they don’t really mean when they are angry. You must not bait people here.

g) You again have made a sly reference to bias on my part by saying, “I know you won't be deleting Emily's comments above.” People have left nasty comments about me and also about whites/Northern Europeans at this site, and they are there for people to read.

I don’t see why you keep coming back to this site. There is nothing here for you.

"The example of the hygiene of "Indians was totally uncalled for. When you have lots of poor people living in a small region, what do you expect?"

Well, someone who knew better than we do what this is about, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, seems to disagree with you. He used the words "bad habit", for god's sake. That is not bad hygiene or poverty, that is sloppiness and indifference.

"The cause of many of our diseases is the condition of our lavatories and OUR BAD HABIT OF DISPOSING OF EXCRETA ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE".

Anywhere and everywhere..........

No matter how poor you are you don't have to behave like that. The truth is they don't care, so the "attack" or criticism, rather, is not groundless. The poorest person can dig a hole in the ground and cover the stuff up. They don't. They just defecate and leave it there for others to step in.

Even poor people can avoid defecating where you grow your food. That's madness, not poverty. I just saw that article and it was something of the worst I have ever read.

People who have lived in India report seeing human excrement EVERYWHERE. I have heard that before. Bury it, at least, and don't use vegetable fields as a toilet. That's not necessary anywhere. That is also suicide (kolera, e-coli etc). In the poorest and hardest of circumstances, during war for example, people still dig primitive latrines and confine the "toilet" area to one specific area. You don't have to behave like an animal. Taking these precautions is even more important when the hygiene is poor. It is crucial, actually.

"Regarding 18-year-olds, I didn’t say that Ekaterina is an exception. The point was about the nastiness of the comments. Mine have never been as nasty as some of yours. Nasty comments by others regarding some other women are usually not as extreme as the dog example"

You didn't say she is an exception, you treated her like one. The fact remains that you apparently couldn't care less about the other 18-year-olds that you publish nude photos of and subject to comments by anyone who cares to jump in. You are hypocritical in that you are not consistent. "Caring" for one and not the others is favoritism - not genuine concern.

There are many very crude comments about these girls. Comments they can read and that can hurt a lot since they are totally nude in many cases, with their faces and identities exposed. Showing off for one girl while exposing other girls, earning money on them, and ignoring the trash written about their body parts and ignoring that they are equally young and vulnerable, is intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy, I think.

Blur the girls' faces if you expose them totally nude, and remove their porn links that you earn money off, and then you may judge. To me, those things are FAR "nastier" than anything that anyone else could ever do here.

"And I never said that Nordics have low self-esteem. I said that it is lower, on average, than in many populations."

This is not the way I remember it. You also said it is genetic. I think your comment was less than bright, and I also think you would have a hard time proving it.

Northern Europeans in general have less reason than others to have low self-esteem since they accomplish a lot and have lots of things to be proud of. I have interacted with Northern Europeans my whole life, obviously, and my impression is that most have a quiet confidence and healthy self-esteem, without being narcissistic or very loud and boisterous about it.

"still don’t understand why you feel the need to correct misconceptions about the looks of Romanians, even for people who will not interact with very many of them? The way you do it, you subject yourself to flaming and create trouble for everyone"

Trouble for "everyone"? Everyone who? The trolls? Typically, when someone says something that is factually INCORRECT it is not the one correcting it that is viewed as the troublemaker, but the one making the false statement in the first place.

Just leave the false statements so we don't upset the people who wrote them. That seems to be the message. You call it misconceptions but in reality it has been deliberately false statements, in many cases. Anyway, I think the truth matters.

By the way, I have read blogs written by someone called "j richards" at a site named "Majority Rights". Are you that same person writing here under another name? Some blogs of his seem very similar to yours, and some of the pictures you use are used by him too, so I wonder if you could clear that up.

Most of this stuff no longer has anything to do with Ekaterina.

Emily:
No, you look like an Indian who just fell in a puddle of shit. By the way, that's the way they do it over there, isn't it. Use the streets as toilets, I mean. Your nose is disgustingly weak and feminine but since you are gay and not a real man I suppose it doesn't matter.

As for Indians in general, they are easily recognizable everywhere. No need for any special education on that topic. 99.99% look like something you flush down, and the rest look like something more closely related to humans. Of course those are always the ones you show as examples of "Indian" beauty. lol

You might not like his nose, but it's not bad.
What Indians do has nothing to do with any of the arguments here.

And the numerous unprovoked verbal assaults, off-topic responses that do nothing except making it look as if you had something to argue with... Seriously, if you can't keep things serious anymore and can't stop yourself from shitting this place, then just shut the fuck up.

OH MY FUCKING GOD. Emily. You are far worse than anything that goes down the toilet. May it be projectile vomit or feces. Looking back on what you said, it makes you look like a good-for-nothing piece of shit human that should never have been born. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY INHUMANE. I suggest you shut the fuck up and get your head out of your ass before you even attempt to come up with yet another one of your immature responses. How could you POSSIBLY say that about Indians? You are such a stuck-up, white-faced bitch who is drowning in her own pool of blonde hair, blue eyes and tiny noses. I would honestly love to fly your ass to India and let you live there for a year or so. See how you turn out. You are nothing but an ignorant, close-minded person.

As for your little so-called "examples"...Way to choose unattractive images of Slavic women and extremely beautiful Nordics. For your information, I have lived in Russia for quite a long time and I can tell you for a fact that 90% of the women you see there could have easily just walked off the runway in Milan or just finished shooting an ad for Gucci. There are VERY few unattractive women there.

Here's a taste of some actual Russian women for you

I just went through an entire album and couldn't find any hooked noses that you post. Hooked noses, bumpy noses, they all come from nationalities mixing together. I know I either have Italian or Grecian roots from my mother's side. I get my nose from her dad.

As for your little comparison..
Obviously the model is far more attractive than me, but what you're trying to point out...failed.

Her nose is more hooked than mine. She has a minor bump on it, but the tip of her nose (which is what defines whether somebody has a hooked nose or not) is straight. It does not point up or down. But if she was to smile, it would point down. Now, the bump on my nose is larger than hers, but the tip of my nose is far more up-turned than hers.
As for our chins, you fail to notice that they're quite similar. If you open your eyes, you will notice that the lighting in the photograph of the model casts a shadow around her chin, making it appear larger and more defined. It's total bull that her chin is more defined than mine. I am actually surprised at how similar our chins are.

Seriously Emily, just stop trying and shut up already. You are getting absolutely NOWHERE.

I am sure Emily doesn't mean what she said. We all get so frustrated sometimes that we say and think things that are extremely low. I think Emily is just really annoyed with people, and I think people are annoyed with Emily. You guys are all really on the same boat here, you just don't realize it. Stop trying to throw eachother off the boat. Instead pick up the paddles and help eachother row to shore...

It takes one person to do this first and eventually the rest will follow. If they choose not to understand the greater purpose, they choose to stay behind.

As for Peter:

You have a beautiful smile! Your smile really is like a breath of fresh air!

and Emily:

You are one of a kind. You are extremely beautiful but not boring, as beauty generally becomes boring, but great beauty provokes interest and awe at the same time:)

Above:

I didn't mean Emily, I meant Ekaterina.

Emily I haven't seen a picture of you so I cannot say anything about your appearance...

I suppose the model agencies don't pick up Ekaterina because she has an average aspect toward her and normal people are not what those agencies are looking for. Model agencies would rather a woman fitting toward the bizarre side and that's what they are all about: bizarre aspect that fits their purpose. We must remember that the central aspect of the fashion industry is clothes. It's not meant to draw attention to the beauty of the models but to the clothes. The top models can't have to them a look that stands out more than that of the clothes they are dressing. If a top model had legs as those of a godess It would make men interested, many women envious and the interest around clothes would be put apart. Of course I'm not forgetting those super models as Gisele Bundchen whose name is as strong as the brand she wears. However they are a few and to hire them is very strategic to sell out clothes.

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Throughout internet there are about a thousand light eyed indians and others southern asians somehow aproaching a euro aspect (usually slavic traits). I really don't understand those photographers from National Geographic. When they are meant to take a close up why do they almost always focuse on light eyed southern asians? I suppose they get so impressed with such rarity and hence feel compelled to take a photo.

b) Brazilian obviously doesn’t have good command of English. He made a reference to your nostrils but was apparently meaning the fleshy alar cartilage of the sides of the nose because that is visible in the pictures whereas your nostril shapes are not. You responded by showing a picture of your nostrils. This is a waste of time, and the cartilage part doesn’t look Nordic, period. Brazilian extrapolated the cartilage shape to nostril shape, and was later corrected.

It makes me feel disappointed with myself. Actually I thought I was able to write good english. Is It really that bad? Anyway Tanks for your argumentation concerning Peter nose. Although I failed on commenting about Peter nostrils I never quit thinking something was "odd" (to Europe standard) there. I just didn't know exactly what and how to express that.

Although I know Peter is simply teasing Emily I will comment as if Peter has been talking seriously in order to enlight those ones thinking he's not kidding. Try to imagine how Peter would appear physicaly if he were light skinned and blond. I suppose he would aproach the look of a northern slavic. Of course not a bonafide slavic, but one that bears gypse heritage. His head and face are shaped like a ball, which is emphasized by the amount of fat deposited in his profile and also by his almost "lack" of chin. These are very common features among southern asians and in some arabs, whereas almost absent in western europeans. Western europeans almost ever have a somewhat flat profile.

He has repeated constantly that some women who were put up by Emily have faces equal to those of slavic woman. The difference seems rather clear to me. He has simply made superficial comparation by associating the broadness of cheekbones and of the overall face in order to equates nordic with slavic women. Everyone who has got a agenda always compare only the similarities and forget the differences.

Other ethnicities

Nordics

Peter thinks nobody there knows what overlap is. No matter how many scandinavians with hooked noses and rounded face you're intending to bring up because those traits are far commoner in easterners and almost absent in westerners. Currently he's compared two women, both lacking droopy nose, in order to prove that scandinavians have hooked nose as well. It makes no sense to compare two women whose nose tips are pointed upward in order to find out which one has the most droopy tip. He was not even able to find a scandinavian woman with a droopy nose and had to bring up a scandinavian man (is he really scandinavian?) whose nose you have to look at least twice in order to notice that It is slightly hooked.

Dan,
"You might not like his nose, but it's not bad."

I would have preferred nice but not bad works! Thanks :) Your so sweet! :D

Samantha,
"As for Peter:

You have a beautiful smile! Your smile really is like a breath of fresh air!"

That is the sweetest thing anyone has said to me here! Thanks! I am sorry i can't compliment on your looks but you sound like an absolute sweetie pie! :D
(Although i don't agree with a little something you said but should be adressing it soon).

Ekaterina,
Thank you! You noticed the same thing about that model...which i will be adressing soon. You are Beautiful! I think you look so lovely in your "candid shots" which you posted. All the best!

I will be responding to comments by other users shortly.

"You are one of a kind. You are extremely beautiful but not boring, as beauty generally becomes boring, but great beauty provokes interest and awe at the same time:)"

Thank you so much! I'm glad somebody appreciates my appearance here :p
You're very kind. Thank you again.

"Ekaterina,
Thank you! You noticed the same thing about that model...which i will be adressing soon. You are Beautiful! I think you look so lovely in your "candid shots" which you posted. All the best!"

Thank you as well, Peter! I can say the same about you :) And I hope you don't take what Emily says close to heart because her opinion doesn't mean anything.

"I suppose the model agencies don't pick up Ekaterina because she has an average aspect toward her and normal people are not what those agencies are looking for. Model agencies would rather a woman fitting toward the bizarre side and that's what they are all about: bizarre aspect that fits their purpose."

The model agencies did not sign me because of my height and bust. Models are supposed to be thin and lack breasts and a butt, which makes them look "chic". I have fairly large breasts and I have a behind. It's simple as that. I would have to weigh 90 pounds to look leaner, and I am not willing to put myself at risk. I am quite happy at 120, thank you. And I would much rather prefer to look good for my boyfriend, not a fashion industry. My face is far from being average. Average is what Nordics look like. My face is unique but yet it falls under the classic beauty category.
As for "bizarre-looking" models. That is not the case at the moment. Model agencies prefer women with natural, classic beauty. Not alien-like, like it was a few years ago. What they look for always changes.

Wow, Emily. Interesting that you believe Slavs are sooo different than Nordics, because in the movie;

The Boy with the Striped Pajamas (wonderful movie by the way)

the NORDIC mother, the NORDIC NAZI mother, is played by a Ukranian woman named: Vera Farmiga.

She in fact only spoke Ukranian up about until the age of six. hmm...

David Thewlis Vera Farmiga Pictures, Images and Photos

Submitted by Godis on Fri, 03/20/2009

The Boy with the Striped Pajamas (wonderful movie by the way)

Sorry, I don't watch jew movies.

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Don't you have a Wagner Opera to back up your argument, please?

Der Wanderer:

oh, you don't watch jew movies? who cares?

I wasn't talking to you. I don't care what your opinion is on anything either.

Before anything I would suggest that ONLY people i have adressed my comments to, respond to them. I am clearly not being "serious" with Emily and don't expect a response from Erik or anyone else for a message directed at her.

My Dearest Erik,
You seem to have exhibited poor understanding of some of my points.

1. My "criticism" of Marilyn Monroe was along the same lines as your comments about some models.

"And no, Tyra Banks is not feminine; she got breast implants at some point"
What has breast implants got to do with Tyra's femininity? An otherwise feminine woman will still look feminine with small breasts.

"Veronika doesn’t have the best-looking nose, but unlike Gisele, she has not had a nose job"
Why defend Veronika's not so perfect nose by bringing up Gisele's nose job? Nose job or not Veronika's nose still looks better compared to Gisele's.

I NEVER disputed that Marilyn does not look Nordic or her face shape is not found in Nordic countries. My "disagreement" was simply with the word "Gorgeous", being used to describe her by Emily. Yes she was gorgeous but not before her procedures. Before her procedures she still looked pretty but nothing compared to what she looked like as we KNOW her. I was simply informing Emily of the procedures in case she didn't realize just like you were informing readers about Gisele's nose job. Additionally Emily said that Marilyn had a "cute potato nose" How do we know that her nose profile
(concave) was not due to surgery? All the before pictures of her i have seen do not show profile view. I hope you have understood what i am trying to say? I think this should just end here.

2. Regarding that Swedish model, I will be adressing her looks later but if you read Ekaterina's comments. She mentioned "but the tip of her nose (which is what defines whether somebody has a hooked nose or not) is straight. It does not point up or down. But if she was to smile, it would point down."

My nose does not droop when i smile but some people with even straight noses, when smiling show hooked noses. This is what i meant by tendency for a hooked nose. I am not a 100% sure off course which is why i asked Emily to post a picture of her smiling from the side. Once i have adressed her looks you will understand what i am trying to say better.

3. Do i need to re post pictures of that woman to show you that i do not see any shadows on her nose?....So i can not suggest/assume anything. Either way that comment was directed at Emily and not you. Let us stop talking about her nose.

4. Emily claims she knows what Swedish women look like and can tell apart Slavic from Nordic. I doubt she would admit to posting a picture of a Swedish woman who "looked Slavic" as she has clearly pointed them out and expressed her dislike of them. I am sure you have noticed her reaction to me calling her Swedish model having "Slavic influences". Again this was directed at Emily and its best we don't discuss it.

5. "I read your comments about the light-eyed Indians. They are useless. If the argument is that blue eyes are gorgeous, you can barely challenge a ‘monopoly on Nordics only having all those “gorgeous” eye colors’ by showing a blue-eyed Indian or two because these blue eyes are very rare in Indians whereas a little over half of Nordics have blue eyes; the per capita difference is staggering. Besides, the monopoly issue is a straw man. Emily’s arguments have always been in terms of attractiveness frequencies in different populations, which I don’t see you disputing. You must not resort to straw men. Posting pictures of tons of Indians with light eyes will prove nothing as again the stark frequency difference is quite clear.

You wrote, “I don't understand why you stick to such stupid things as hair and eye colors??? really?” Where have I focused on hair and eye color? This website has been around for three and a half years, and I have never discussed hair and eye colors in the context of beauty. The people who bring this up in the comments are typically people coming from the darker populations who lack significant diversity in these areas: Godis, Zonneschijn (Z) and you. Emily’s comments on this topic have been a response to others."

I am sorry i posted the whole comment on that topic to Emily, I was not adressing it to you. I just wanted to mention the part of me thinking it was stupid to talk about hair and eye color. I know you have not brought it up on this site and it would indeed reflect poor understanding on my part if i had said you did. You are right about the statistical frequency of blue eyes. The person who "glorified" hair and eye color first to my knowledge was Emily and none of the other people (people coming from the darker populations who lack significant diversity in these areas: Godis, Zonneschijn (Z) and you).

6. "You may be here to learn and improve yourself, but leaving comments is not necessary to learn and you need to improve yourself before leaving comments. I am also not here to educate you about issues not related to this site"

I disagree ... Whether you like it or not, thanks to you i have learned new words such as diatribe, learned some information that i was confused about and wouldn't have clarified unless i posted here ... as well as "learned
better" debating skills. ALL after leaving comments here and ALL after being my gay self :D

7. "You wrote, ‘For example if you think less of an ethnicity...you will be more “compelled” to find unflattering stats and/or comparisons. Do you not agree?’ I disagree. Scenario start: unflattering stats/comparisons make one think less of an ethnicity. So it cannot be claimed that thinking less of an ethnicity has made the person seek unflattering stats and/or comparisons in the first place. It does not follow that this person will specifically seek more unflattering stats/comparisons. The only thing that follows is that if a negative view in general is acquired then further
negative arguments about the ethnicity will be more readily received but not all people will accept the negative arguments without doing some research for themselves."

I Disagree somewhat and/but also i am afraid i did not word it correctly...I meant to say if someone wants to create negative "propoganda" against a group, what kind of information will they seek? Assuming that this person has a negative view of this group due to personal experiences, internal conflict, media inflence etc. This person will generally select the most unflattering/negative information/stats in order to "emphasize" his/her propoganda. The reason for creating this
propoganda instead of a more direct attack can be several things such as law, accusations, self injury etc.
I can go more into this but then you will twist it around and think that this is my attempt at a sly attack on you!

8. Regarding my "foulness"

a) How is mistakenly accusing different people of being the same person foul? Other people have mistaken two different posters to be the same person as well. For example above on this page Godis also thought that Brazilian was Emily. Emily has not "signed" her name many times above as well and left it blank which is why i thought she might be -
The tone of the message and language skills of Emily and Brazilian seemed similar to me. Which is why i assumed they were the same. I am sorry if someone got offended by this?

b) "Brazilian obviously doesn’t have good command of English. He made a reference to your nostrils but was apparently meaning the fleshy alar cartilage of the sides of the nose because that is visible in the pictures whereas your nostril shapes are not. You responded by showing a picture of your nostrils. This is a waste of time, and the cartilage part doesn’t look Nordic, period. Brazilian extrapolated the cartilage shape to nostril shape, and was later corrected."

Erik are you assuming like Brazilian? I believe Brazilian's English isn't so bad that he did not know how to word the fleshy part of my nostrils? He clearly was referring to nostril shape. I know what i am talking about!
Nostrils of Europeans generally differ from populations such as East Asians in a few ways....nostril shape and cartilage/skin thickness. East Asians have thicker skin and flared/rounded nostrils. You "concluding" the fleshy part of my nostrils not being Nordic does nothing to prove that my nose "might be" Nordic. I hope we are not forgetting that i am a male? Males have thicker skin than females and my nose is more refined both in front and side view compared to many Nordic females....not even considering Nordic males.

Also i suggest you pay more attention to what he wrote exactly
"Compare the nostrils. How many europeans or nordics have got nostrils like that of yours Peter? I suppose almost zero."
He mentioned Europeans...Do you think it will be difficult for me to find examples of Nordics (male and/or female) with thick skin like me? flared/rounded nostrils? hooked/large noses?....Let alone South Europeans or East Europeans. Both groups with higher frequencies of classically "non Nordic" noses. "Classically Nordic" referring to straight, upturned, more prominent at the forehead/nose level, refined, thin skinned noses. This also does not mean the majority of Nordic people have such noses BUT to higher frequencies when compared to other populations.

Also if you read carefully i never claimed my nose and/or nostrils look Nordic. I said "or are you assuming that since i am ugly and by your "standards" Nordics are gorgeous and my nostrils can't be similar to them?"
Notice the word similar!

c) "You went on a diatribe against Brazilian for calling you ugly, but he never did. Brazilian used the term “uglier people,” which he has clearly specified to be non-Nordics, and his comments have made it clear that he is talking about a frequency difference (more ugly people outside of northern Europe). You have exhibited poor understanding throughout. Why waste our time?"

I love that word diatribe! Yes Erik i might have exhibited poor understanding OR maybe you have again jumped to a conclusion. Some people whose first language is not English like me use "indirect speech" - I don't know if there is a term for it but don't confuse it with its use in English grammar to refer to someone "quoting/using" the words of someone else. By "indirect speech" i mean to say that some people will not say something directly to people and will say it indirectly to "lessen" its impact or make its impact known to who it is directed at without naming him/her.
I thought that response i got from Brazilian was directed at me as my looks were somewhat being adressed previously. Also this after he gave me attitude and said "Give up". When i read that sentence i thought he was referring
to me. When he said Give up...he was implying that i stop comparing myself to Europeans and then he said uglier people comparing themselves better looking etc...
Does this make any sense?

Another example is when i said in my diatribical response to him "God knows what kind of people visit these sites". I was clearly referring to Brazilian. Since the response was adressed to him....he would have understood.

Similarly when you say things to me such as "Peter i don't know why you come here, there is nothing here for you" etc...
You are indirectly asking me to Leave instead of saying directly ... Peter LEAVE!
I hope i made some sense? That is the reason i thought Brazilian indirectly implied that i was ugly but wasn't going to say it straight to my face!
He later clarified...

d) You are correct! Will me saying Low self esteem and inferiority complex
are related make any difference lol

e) My comments to Emily should not be taken "seriously" especially by you Erik and i am surprised you have the time to respond to them...on Emily's behalf? Do you enjoy talking to me as much as i do with you :p
At least you realise they are jokes...

f) Baiting...Lets see... I don't think i need to use Emily's example. What was the point of bringing up the hygiene of Indian people?
Emily aside what about Brazilian? I am sure you would have noticed in my diatribical message to him i asked him to leave me alone. But what is this?
"Try to imagine how Peter would appear physicaly if he were light skinned and blond. I suppose he would aproach the look of a northern slavic."
What is this nonesense? When or where did i ask anyone to imagine me as a White, Black, Asian or as an Alien person?
Also i wonder who his comment under the picture of the Indian girl saying "Indians beat even the Arabs and Jews when it comes to huge and hooked noses" is directed at?

"His head and face are shaped like a ball, which is emphasized by the amount of fat deposited in his profile and also by his almost "lack" of chin."
Do you think there is a difference between a round and an oval face? How many times have i mentioned that i have an oval face. Is this not baiting?

What i really hate is when people make assumptions when they know nothing about me. Erik you are guilty of that too sometimes.

g) "I don’t see why you keep coming back to this site. There is nothing here for you."

WOW What a HUGE assumption on your part! Are you indirectly trying to tell me something? Darling there might be a better chance of whatever your trying to say working if you just said it directly.
After my coming posts it will be clearer to you what/why i keep coming back here.

To be continued...

Brazilian,
Yes I have a round football face with lots of fat. Actually wait...I think the moon is a better comparison. Because just like the moon i also have dark big craters on my face lol.

"I'm looking foward to know from you or whoever why the big fuss on others regarding nordics (I prefer northerners) as aesthetically superior. What's the big deal? It's plain and simple prejudice against them. Would you regard me with inferiority complex if I were prizing iranians with the award? No way. Simply bias against northern europeans.

I like that odd thing of being the brazilian siding with nordics when the subject is beauty. I can only laugh at my people when they regard themselves as the most beautiful. How about those indians and venezuelans trying to impose their misses universe as a prove of their aesthetic superiority. Damn It."

I really pity your ... ok lets not get into this. Ok good for you that you find Nordics "the best". I NEVER used any of those adjectives (pig nose, red skin etc) to describe Nordics...so your "blame" is unfounded. I find beauty in all races and populations. I don't go looking for specific traits. If you do then off course you will find more beauty in a particular population.

I just find it silly that in your responses to me you say things like prejudice, prejudice...when i have in fact never put down Nordics or denied that they are good looking. So please stop.

Also regarding your last entry ... What is wrong with you?
It is totally inaccurate. I suggest you ask Erik what he thinks of this "discovery" of yours...

Erik,
What this site has taught me is this! Have a look and tell me if i have learned anythng? Am i on the right track?
NOTE* This is only for Erik!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5biCcuGkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz7yBwxO9uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD1B0Pt0gTA (Don't watch the whole thing only from 4.55 to 5.35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGaM4ziKcQ (From 3.20 to 3.50)

Enjoy!?

Finally i have more time now

Emily,
Talking about Kate Winslet "and she has the hooked nose you often see in Britain."
Again goes to show you have no idea what your talking about!
Anyone see a hooked nose?
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Emily,
"By the way, I have read blogs written by someone called "j richards" at a site named "Majority Rights". Are you that same person writing here under another name? Some blogs of his seem very similar to yours, and some of the pictures you use are used by him too, so I wonder if you could clear that up."

How dare you accuse our beloved Erik of being that racist, homophobic, anti-semitic - overall prejudiced jerk
J Richards???

As well Emily ALL you do is spew hate and prejudice if anything. I hope you learned your lesson and have retreated to some isolated cave in Scandanavia. Next time give Mr. Testosterone a break! Maybe i need to borrow some of him from you and trade you with some of my Miss Estrogen :D

Hi Emily, I know what you mean about the small probability of a Puerto Rican having blond hair and eyes, but we have to realize that Puerto Rican is not a race, it's just a nationality so there exists the possibility that a fully white person was born in Puerto Rico and so identifies as Puerto Rican while being, at the time, white.

Is that a huge possibility? No, as most Puerto Ricans are mulatto or quadroon, which means they are 1/2 to 1/4 negroid. In fact, the whitest Puerto Rican I've made was an octaroon (1/8 negroid). Yet Puerto Ricans are seldom fully negroid ... So I guess the question would be, can a quadroon or an octaroon mix with a Nordic man and generate a blond offspring? Maybe, depends on whether the quadroon/octaroon carries the gene for blondness or light eyes.

Keep in mind that even when a quadroon exhibits strong black features they are technically only 1/4 black and being 3/4 white they may just carry the gene for blondness. I guess it depends on whether the Spaniards they are mixed with had any Nordic in them (I've seen a few Nordic Spaniards)

PS: Hispanic is not a term that I would use to describe quadroons or mulattoes, as it creates confusion between them and European Spaniards.

This whole nordics-are-beautiful theory makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective. Our sense of aesthetics did not evolve in a vacuum, our notion of beauty helps us mate with people who are well adapted to our environment. Ideal nose size, skin color etc. depend on how hot your surroundings are, how much sun you get etc. Why should people adapted to different climes find nordics - a tiny population adapted to their harsh cold - attractive?

My question does not concern universal signs of fertility such as body shape since that has not been the focus of this thread.

Well, someone who knew better than we do what this is about, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, seems to disagree with you. He used the words "bad habit", for god's sake. That is not bad hygiene or poverty, that is sloppiness and indifference.

The issue at hand - and this is something at seems to escape your unreceptive head - is how got from discussing looks to discussing sh*t and toilets. If you hate-filled little head can muster a reasonable explanation, do let us know.

Emily: First of all, your initial comment on the Indians’ hygiene was inappropriate. Then you ended up defending your viewpoint. What is this? You must learn to spot provocateurs and control your temper. When I was a teenager I approached debate with enthusiasm and was strongly interested in making a logical and empirical case to win the argument. But I soon learned that there are people who debate to win for the sake of winning not for the sake of making a rational argument for their viewpoint. One cannot debate these individuals because they will resort to all sorts of logical fallacies and obnoxious behaviors to win. If I had no administrative control over this site, like you, then I would ignore Peter the provocateur. But you have taken his bait, repeatedly, and self-destructed.

Attacking the group to which your opponent belongs is a bad idea. And if you are going to do it then you better have a decent argument. Mohandas Gandhi was an upper caste Hindu and presumably was raised in a sub-culture that held defecating in the open and leaving the mess for something else to clean up as irresponsible. You also have to consider that the British occupation of India helped greatly expand the non-upper-caste/class population of India. Normally, starvation/food shortage/disease outbreaks would cull a burgeoning lower class, but foreigners industrializing the country and introducing modern medicine would facilitate great expansion of the lower class. This will serve to greatly increase the proportion of the population behaving in an irresponsible manner. Trashing one’s own neighborhood is common among Third World people around the world. Here in the United States you see trash lying all over some neighborhoods settled by Third World people; the people could clean up the mess but they act as if it is someone else’s job. Were it not for toilets made available to them a number of them would be defecating in the open and leaving it for others to clean up. In China you see people openly vomiting and spitting on the streets. There is no need to single out Indians, and no need to be addressing their hygiene in the first place. Don’t take Peter’s bait.

This website allows anyone to leave comments on this article on Ekaterina and also other 18-year-olds. This is being consistent; nothing hypocritical here. It cannot be inferred from this that I care less about others than about Ekaterina. To prove hypocrisy you have to start with finding similar examples involving other 18-year-olds that I have featured such that I didn’t intervene.

As I mentioned earlier, if you look at the nasty comments on other girls, they are usually much milder than the dog comparison, and often a one-time incident by a commentator. Some of these comments are left by individuals hostile toward this website, and the context makes it clear that the nasty comments are not exactly aimed toward the woman being commented on but toward me or are simply an expression of anger that is misplaced. The nasty comments are also ameliorated by either my using the women’s pictures in the context of women I like or the fashion industry calling them attractive and singing peans to their beauty.

On the other hand, your case has been without parallel. You agree with most of my arguments and have resorted to a dog comparison and comparison with babies in the case of East Asians. My intervention in the form of asking you to stop acting in this manner is not being hypocritical or indicative of special concern for Ekaterina.

You mentioned my making money off of the nude pictures. This is irrelevant and not a valid criticism. The women have posed nude voluntarily with the understanding that people will be selling the pictures. I am legally required to identify the source of the pictures as in linking to them and if these websites offer an affiliate program, then signing up takes cares of legal issues, provides me with the pictures that I need and brings in an earnings bonus, which goes toward running this site. You should not have a reason to complain given lots of high quality information within this site that is freely accessible to the public.

You think I would have a difficult time proving lower self-esteem in Northern Europeans than in many other populations, on average?

Quote:

American white (mostly Northern European) have lower self-esteem than African-Americans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10668349 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002695 . The second study also shows lower self-esteem than in Hispanics on measures other than academic self-esteem.

Two publications from the Netherlands: http://www.springerlink.com/content/gh56520477168763/ , http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/recordDetail?accno=EJ509352 . In spite of lower status, Turkish, Moroccan and Surinamese youth in the Netherlands had similar global self esteem to white Dutch youth but a more positive view of their ethnic groups. If the socioeconomic/social status was similar, the minorities would score higher on many aspects of self-esteem.

Some of these studies may make a case for cultural factors explaining the differences, but looking at the evidence, genetic differences are apparently making some contribution to ethnic differences. There is a lot of evidence for genetic factors substantially affecting self-esteem; some examples: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7663835 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17537282 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11780935

If you feel the need to correct misconceptions of how Romanians look and apparently have a lot of spare time, post plenty of group pictures and cut the crude remarks.

I am not Richards. If you are wondering about the similarity, that is where I got some of the anthropological literature from, which I verified before citing it. On the other hand, Richards’ articles themselves are not citable because they tarnish neutral and excellent scientific information by integrating it with a political agenda that is unsavory in many aspects.

Peter: You said that your criticism of Marilyn Monroe was along the same lines as my comments about some models. Wrong.

You cited two examples: Tyra Banks and Veronika. I wrote:

And no, Tyra Banks is not feminine; she got breast implants at some point.

There are two clauses. The semi-colon suggests that the clauses are presented as separate. There is nothing that suggests that the first clause is inferred from the second.

So your objection about what breast implants have to do with femininity does not follow. You also wrote, “An otherwise feminine woman will still look feminine with small breasts,” which I have mentioned on numerous occasions. What is the point?

You left out what my statement was in response to. It was in response to the following comment.

i don't think its a transsexual parade..i mean look at tyra banks, she had front and back and was pretty.

This person suggested that Tyra is feminine and that she had prominent breasts and buttocks. I appropriately responded that Tyra is not feminine and she has had breast implants.

If you don’t know English well enough you must not waste my time by leaving comments here.

Your second example was about the nose of Veronika vs. Gisele Bundchen. The comparison is not solely about femininity but it is also about attractiveness. So addressing the nose is appropriate.

You said that you never disputed that Marilyn does not look Nordic or that her face shape is not found in Nordic countries. You are wasting my time. This was never the issue. You said that you disagreed with the gorgeous label. But this is an issue that came later.

Here is Emily’s comment to which you responded.

Marilyn had a typically Nordic, cute potatoe nose - somewhat upturned. Not elegant or straight as you say, but cute in type. Her nose is a common type of nose here, as is her entire looks.

Note that there is no “gorgeous” in the statement.

Your response to Emily was

Marilyn Monroe had a nose job and chin implant....i thought you would know that!

I appropriately responded that you are baiting Emily and wasting our time because your comment does nothing to undermine the two contexts of Emily’s statement: to make the argument that Marilyn was basically a Nordic type and that her concave nose profile is found among many Nordic women.

The gorgeous comment by Emily came later. You must not waste my time with such poor arguments.

As to how do we know that her nose profile was concave before surgery, it is your responsibility to do the investigation. The issue is irrelevant to Emily’s quote cited within this comment to which you responded inappropriately. It is irrelevant because Marilyn’s nose is used as an example of a profile more common in Scandinavia compared to other parts of Europe. How Marilyn got her nose does not change this fact.

You said that the tip of the nose defines whether a nose is hooked or not. There is more to a hook than a mere tip. There will be a convex profile in a hooked nose involving the region above the tip. If the nose tip is pulled downward when someone is smiling and there is no convex profile to the nose, then it is ridiculous to be describing this as a hook-nosed tendency.

You do not need to post again the Swedish actress’ face to show me that you don’t see shadows suggesting a concave nose profile. I see them. Reposting the pictures would not make me fail to see them or help you see the shadows.

You said, “I doubt she would admit to posting a picture of a Swedish woman who "looked Slavic" as she has clearly pointed them out and expressed her dislike of them.” Whatever she posts, there will not be no overlap with Slavic women’s looks. So your comment is pointless. Emily has made a point to show a wide variety of Swedes to give people an idea of what Swedes look like. So if some Swedes leaning more toward Slavic looks are throw in, then you cannot object to it. The woman in question was cited as an example of one with a fine nose. If she didn’t have a fine nose, you would have a point, but your objection to her more Slavic looks is not a valid objection and a waste of time for the readers.

I don’t believe that Emily has glorified hair and eye color. Again, her comments on these matters have been responses to others.

Of course, if someone wanted to malign a group (create negative propaganda, as you put it), then this person will seek negative data on this group. But the issue is irrelevant because it does not follow that if someone has come up with a negative argument about a group then it implies that this person has come up with this argument because he sought a negative argument. An unbiased approach can easily lead to a negative portrayal of a group if that is what the reality is.

Accusing different people of being the same person is foulness because it doesn’t address the arguments of these persons. If your responses are on topic, you address your opponent’s arguments and then wonder whether this opponent is also posting under other names, it would be a different matter. But in your case you have resorted to numerous foul techniques, ignored many arguments and used the accusation of different people being the same to put down/rebut/undermine the arguments of others, an unambiguous example of foulness.

I am not assuming like Brazilian. How could he have been clearly referring to nostril shape when he didn’t see them? Assuming he had your nostrils in mind, what made him infer their shape without looking at them? Obviously, the fleshy alar structure, which notwithstanding it being thicker in men, isn’t Nordic in your case. You left a statement about your being able to find Nordic men with alae as thick as yours and other nose shapes, but as it should be clear from previous arguments, this does not matter. A Nordic nose can only have meaning in terms of a cluster of features present in high frequency in Nordic populations. It is self-evident that your nose is outside this cluster, and by a comfortable margin, and you have acknowledged this.

Regarding baiting you have done a very poor job of defending yourself, but then you can’t really defend yourself because you really are guilty of baiting. If you are guilty of baiting others, you cannot defend yourself by pointing out that others are doing the same; you remain guilty. Emily’s note about Indians’ hygiene was irrelevant, in very bad taste and clearly out of frustration. You are responsible for baiting and frustrating her and making her go over the top. Also, your baiting precedes Brazilian saying bad things about Indians’ noses. And you are the one who posted your pictures, on your own, at a website that addresses physical attractiveness though not of men. What did you expect? That no one will comment on your looks and have negative things to say about them if your face has shortcomings or if your arguments are frustrating them?

My Dear Erik!
So nice to hear from you :) Happy Easter!
Hope you had/will have a great Easter weekend!!!

I am very busy at the moment so will not be responding to everything but will do what little i can.

1. Regarding baiting...Ok you win! I am guilty. Please punish me?

2. "If you don’t know English well enough you must not waste my time by leaving comments here."

This is very poor coming from you Erik. Ad hominem?
Where have i exhibited poor English language skills? Yes i am no PHD in English but i have a Bachelor's of Science from an English university. I think you and other people can mostly understand what i am saying?

3. "So if some Swedes leaning more toward Slavic looks are throw in, then you cannot object to it. The woman in question was cited as an example of one with a fine nose. If she didn’t have a fine nose, you would have a point"

Does her nose look fine to you? Tell me honestly does her nose tip possess thick cartilage/fleshy part? If you still think she has a fine nose then i must assume my nose is fine as well! Her nose and mine are similar at the tip in front view.

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I am going to use the second pic in my response to Emily but i hope you can notice the slight hump clearer here. What about her tip? If you are not convinced then i can find more pics.

Off course i expect you to say her nose is fine so you won't have to negate what you said "If she didn’t have a fine nose, you would have a point" BUT it is clear to me and maybe others that her nose is not "fine". I can post pictures of Nordics you have posted on this website and Emily has posted to clarify what is a fine nose :)

Ok i think this will be all for now.
Enjoy the weekend Erik

warm hugs!
Peter

Hey Erik!

I am back for more ;)
Ok i have limited time these days so therefore i will adress what little i can.

Erik looks like you won't leave my ass alone! I didn't want to continue the Marilyn Monroe "debate" as mentioned in my last message but you have brought it up again. It seems like you have to win no matter what! You always have to be right. Well sorry darling...but looks like i will have to use both my hands for this one!

1. "The gorgeous comment by Emily came later. You must not waste my time with such poor arguments."

Submitted by Emily on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 10:08.
Sorry but Marilyn's lips and other facial features are very much Nordic. Everything about this gorgeous actress was Nordic.

Submitted by Peter on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 20:31.
Marilyn Monroe had a nose job and chin implant....i thought you would know that!

Now before you accuse me of fabricating this....This was mentioned by Emily in the Gabrielle from MC nudes page which i also read. I read around a lot and especially if it is by my "opponent" Emily. So you are wrong by saying the gorgeous comment came later and this just adds to my statement that i disagree with the use of gorgeous by Emily for Marilyn.
I really hope you don't bring this up again? Either way it will be interesting to hear what you come up with next :P

2. "Your second example was about the nose of Veronika vs. Gisele Bundchen. The comparison is not solely about femininity but it is also about attractiveness. So addressing the nose is appropriate."

Wrong! The entry was dealing with femininity and not attractiveness. How could you also fail to notice Veronika's stubby/robust lower leg region and narrow face? Only keeping face in mind...Gisele has a more attractive face but not feminine when compared to Veronika. I suspect there was another reason for bringing it up. On that page Grace has the most attractive face.

3. I was thinking of leaving this alone but then thought the better of it...

"i don't think its a transsexual parade..i mean look at tyra banks, she had front and back and was pretty.

This person suggested that Tyra is feminine and that she had prominent breasts and buttocks. I appropriately responded that Tyra is not feminine and she has had breast implants."

Calling someone pretty and saying that they have front and back doesn't imply that, that someone is feminine. That person didn't ask about femininity. A more appropriate response would have been "I don't think she is pretty and has had breast implants."
The issue of Tyra's breast implants is debatable. I don't think she has breast implants. Plus addressing Tyra's looks was not "necessary" since this site does not deal with African American women.

4. "I don’t believe that Emily has glorified hair and eye color. Again, her comments on these matters have been responses to others"

Wrong! I don't have enough time to go through all her posts and post them back here. All i have to say is know something if your gonna make that claim. Emily is indeed the one who glorified hair and eye color first. In my case this is what happened.

"The problem is that WE blonde, washed out, Northern Eurpeans don't have anything to gain. We stand to lose a lot, however. Our "washed out" hair colors that WE like very much, gorgeous blue, green and grey eye colors and light, creamy skin, for example."

After reading this comment i commenced to post pictures of light eyed, light skinned and few fair haired Indians. What i was trying to show her is that color diversity can be found in other populations too at differing levels. In other words in Emily's eyes those colors should make the Indians in the pictures posted attractive.

I think this is it for now. I am not done with you Erik! I can guarantee you will never meet anyone like me in your life and i can say the same about you :)
We are special hehe

Hugs
Peter
xoxo!

by Emily link" No, you look like an Indian who just fell in a puddle of shit. By the way, that's the way they do it over there, isn't it. Use the streets as toilets, I mean. Your nose is disgustingly weak and feminine but since you are gay and not a real man I suppose it doesn't matter.

As for Indians in general, they are easily recognizable everywhere. No need for any special education on that topic. 99.99% look like something you flush down, and the rest look like something more closely related to humans. Of course those are always the ones you show as examples of "Indian" beauty. lol"

Emily If your not the raving lunatic I think you are then your the raving lunatic I think you are.

Ekaterina Joukova is cute, but there's really nothing special about the way she looks. I wouldn't give her a second look when she passes by me.

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