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These are not women, these are GIRLS. You are one nasty old dude.

The models shown are women, not girls. They also look like women. And whereas I am not young, at 34, I am not old either.

Then how are you so fantastically stupid and oblivious to what science actually is? I assumed you were senile or something. I still think you're gross.

Nothing says a 34-year-old cannot be stupid or oblivious to science.

Erik is far from stupid. In fact he is very intelligent. However, being intelligent does not mean you are always right. Also, the most intelligent people have not been right about many things, and less intelligent people have been. There have been people of higher intelligence than Einstein on this Earth, however most will argue that Einstein has contributed a lot more than these people and his contributions were more accurate as well. I feel that something is clouding Erik's true judgement. I really wish he would try to take a few different perspectives on things, kind of open his mind a bit more.

Trying to make people prefer healthy and feminine beauty instead of the sick, anorexic and masculine variety we often see today in the (gay-dominated) media is a sign of good judgment, actually. If there is any cloud around here it is certainly not on HIS judgment.

If there are any minds that should be opened it's the minds of the gay fashion designers who dictate what is feminine and what is beautiful. The thing that scares me is how much ordinary people have been brainwashed. It is very evident just from reading some of the comments on this site.

Some people actually seem to think there is not much wrong with the spooky runway models who look like they're about to die any moment from starvation. If someone like Marilyn Monroe or Sophia Loren would try to model clothes today they would have been laughed off the catwalk and the fashion designers would probably have shouted "no fatties here, please!". Now THAT'S weird. So, why don't YOU try to use some of that intelligence and open mind of yours instead of writing condescending comments about someone who is far superior to you?

I would agree that the stick-thin, masculine models should not be the norm.

However, Erik's judgment of who is beautiful and who is not is not infallible.

Erik,

Just wondering: are you masculine, feminine, or inbetween because;

If you are masculine: Your mother was on the masculine scale, she is not feminine therefore not beautiful and therefore not up to YOUR standards on this website. OUCH! Insulting.I hope your mom doesn't see this...

If you are feminine: Your mother was on the feminine scale. She is probably a beauty. You are probably not very attractive, and you are probably effeminate or homosexual which you obviously despise. Hey, I didn't say there is anything wrong with it. You claim homosexuals dominate the fashion industry and its wrong blah blah blah w/e.

If you are inbetween: Your mother was androgynous. She wasn't a beauty, or ugly/masculine, just INBETWEEN! If your mom was like this she was a plain jane, and not up to your standards as to what is beautiful. You yourself being inbetween probably aren't too attractive, and with this website I don't really see you dating much. hmmm...

So which is it? Because in every way your a loser.... you just lose

May I add:

Look at your high cheekbone section:

All the woman with round dample low cheekbones: smiling. Maybe one isn't smiling, but even then her mouth isn't straight or pouty. Not to mention there is a high level of these women that have bad teeth. Bad teeth=bad and weak bonestructure or what you call "feminine" LMAO! Even braces can change someones bone structure slightly...

Notice how all the masculine supermodels are either pouting or have a very straight face. Also, many times a supermodel will suck her cheeks in a bit making them look more robust and masculine. You said so yourself that high cheekbones are not necessarily masculine. In fact I think that high cheekbones combined with a woman that has high levels of estrogen, is a good combo and makes an attractive person. She will look a tad bit more masculine, because high cheekbones add definition however in combination with her feminity this will be attractive to anyone. I think models do what they are paid to do: Sell. It's working isn't it?

Besides them not being healthy, I have no problem. I agree, the fashion industry should not be allowed to have such stick thin requirements, besides that I have no problem with the way they look. They sell, they do their job, we fall for it. Besides I never wanted to look like a model. But I can appreciate their characteristics masculine or not. I am not a stupid brainwashed girl that wants to be thin because I think its attractive. I am more attractive than most supermodels I see. Eating disorders are usually a result of someone wanting to have control of something in their lives, not necessarily because they want to look like a supermodel.

Dora: If you think Albert Einstein made some good contributions, read this.

Petite: I have never claimed infallible judgment of women’s attractiveness.

Godis: What is the point of me answering how masculine I am? If I am effeminate then you would not expect me to admit it. At the same time it is easy for me to claim to be masculine. Regardless, the masculinity-femininity of my mother is irrelevant. When she was a young adult she looked very similar to Melisande (more of Melisande). i.e., slightly masculinized but still attractive to a lot of people. Looking at my mother’s pictures when she was in her twenties, I see an attractive woman, and my mother even had beauty pageant organizers after her, but her family was conservative so she didn’t participate. Her slenderness did not prove to be a problem in the long run. She gained fat in the right places (bust, hips) after having two sons, and never became overweight. In any case a child couldn’t care less how masculine or feminine his mother is; I certainly don’t; what matters is how a mother treats her child, and I am not complaining.
You said, “I agree, the fashion industry should not be allowed to have such stick thin requirements,” but you are agreeing with someone else, like Emily, on this because I have never made the argument that the fashion industry should not be allowed to employ very thin models.

Yet, men who do not agree are somehow abnormal. Hm.

You're full of shit Erik. You know what I think?

I think you have some very deep self-esteem issues. And I am sorry to say that I have even hypothesized that you might have been sexually abused when you were younger. I have looked up the book:"The Nature of Homosexuality: Vindication for Homosexual Activists and the Religious Right." It is a book by someone named Erik Holland and he touches on the exact same points you do it seems, so logically I believe it is your book? From what I have read from the reviews it seems as if you almost have a phobia of homosexuals. You see them as perverts and a weak link in the scheme of human reproduction and well being. I don't really have an opinion on homosexuals. I believe they are people and I believe they should live as any other person does and that they should have the freedoms as anyone as long as they follow the morals of society, just like anyone else. I truly wonder what has disturbed you to this point. I don't know why people are the way they are and why they do what they do. However, I believe there is a reason for everything. Whatever your reason, I just ask you to search deep within yourself and ask yourself what you are really doing?

I came across this website by accident. When I read it I was shocked. Naturally as I read it I would run up to the mirror to see if I would "measure" up to these standards. The truly ironic part of all this is that I measure up in almost every single way in all honesty. However, the paranoid feelings I would have? My God, it changed the way I looked at beauty and in often times in a good way. I did learn to appreciate feminine beauty from this website, softer beauty. In a way I learned to appreciate aspects of myself I thought before to be weak. One thing I used to hate is that everyone always thinks I am younger than I really am. I now learned I just have very feminine features that are soft, and this site has really made me change the way I look at myself and appreciate myself more. However, at the same time I would always wonder: wait so is my rib cage thick or thin? are my shoulders wide or not? Is my face too defined? I was becoming soo paranoid, even though in all honesty I don't think half those things were wrong with me. Either way if it affects me this much, as I am a pretty average looking girl as you post up on this website. I can just imagine what other women go through when reading this. Women that don't have "population typical" features. Women who do have high cheekbones, wide shoulders, thick waists, height issues. I have a lot of friends from a lot of backgrounds. I don't think they are unattractive even though they don't measure up to YOUR standards. This website just makes people paranoid though. I felt guilty even analyzing my friend's features but I couldn't help it. But I'm over it, because I learned something about beauty. Beauty fades. I'm around 20yrs. old. In a few years I won't be so beautiful. I am just going to appreciate what I have and take care of myself and concentrate on more important things.

As for your mother, I don't know if she was attractive because I have never seen her. But I doubt she ever measured up to these standards. Erik, I doubt you measure up MY standards. And there it goes, the game of life. It's easy to type away at your computer. However, this isn't how true life is, and if this is your reality, I pity you.

As for Emily. I am done with her and this website. I am done arguing about useless things. Emily can have her opinion or hey her FACTS! Because maybe she is 100% correct. Maybe the Nordic people are the most beautiful and others don't come close. Hey! Congratulations! Be fruitful and multiply and have more children. I have some Nordic in me but I'm not pure Nordic! Hey, oh well. Emily can post pictures up and type away to eternity. I wonder when she will realize how much time she has wasted trying to prove something that doesn't matter in the end. I wonder how much longer she will let her ignorance go on.

I am done with this website and the whole beauty thing. Great, we should study what makes one beautiful. However, I won't participate if it is being done in this manner. I do believe your website has good points and it has opened my eyes. However, I do believe it is very pseudo-scientific as well, so that it fits the author's points. And so Erik you will have your website until you are old and withering away. I wonder if you will have children? I wonder what your daughters will look like? Well, they have a lot to live up to after reading daddy's website. Good luck!

And just for my opinion on beauty:

Beauty is just like music. Everyone can agree that certain sounds are pleasant and certain ones are not, even unbearable. However, everyone enjoys a different type of music because everyone is at a different point in their lives. Sometimes their taste changes, sometimes it doesn't. However, everyone is going to like something different. Beauty is not narrow. That does not do justice to Beauty. Beauty is full of possibilities.

Godis,
Your only 20? bless! You sound so mature :)
I am 24 but also get that i am 20 or 22 (not a huge difference hehe) But i actually like it! We really defeated that Emily person didn't we? :D
Just curious where are you from? You really have a good eye for beauty.
Godis i am really concerned with Erik's homophobia as well....I recently read his website (homosexuality info) and was shocked. So many assumptions, stereotypes....He based everything on "extreme" gay porn. I couldn't believe it. Erik if your reading this...I don't participate in many of those activities - is that because my femininity prevents me from doing so? Do you seriously think that most regular gay men do all that stuff?
Ok i know this will sound really "bad" I am sorry to all the Hiv+ gay guys....but i need to ask Erik this. Do you think that the gay guys who participate in those activities in porn are not in their "right state of mind"? Due to medications/disease?
Erik you need to educate yourself before attacking your "opponent".

Wow, Godis, I agree 100%

"I have never made the argument that the fashion industry should not be allowed to employ very thin models."

If you allow it that's the only kind of model they employ. That's the problem. The industry has clearly shown that they are generally incapable of self-regulation, and of using models with normally thin and healthy body shapes.

The use and exploitation of anorexic models who need drugs in order to cope with their life style and lack of food intake should not be allowed, in my opinion.

The use and exploitation of anorexic models who need drugs in order to cope with their life style and lack of food intake should not be allowed, in my opinion.

With that, I have to agree.

Godis: What I have written on homosexuals has nothing to do with self-esteem issues. I figured out some cool things about homosexuality that people interested in the topic would want to read. What got me interested in the topic was a friend of mine asking me to interpret some of the biological literature that he had come across on homosexuals; he had no background in the biological sciences. Figuring it out was a frustrating job and I saw it as solving a jigsaw puzzle with a twist: before the pieces could be put together one had to find them. Few people back then or even for some time to come could have put it together in the manner I did. That was years ago, and I no longer keep up with the latest on homosexuals. In any case your description of my views on homosexuals bears no resemblance to what I have put down in writing, and it is pointless to be clarifying it here.

Let us be very clear about what low self-esteem entails. As far as looks go, people with lower self-esteem are more likely to base their opinion of their attractiveness on what others think whereas those with higher self-esteem are less likely to be swayed by other people’s opinion. Some people have been accusing Emily of having low self-esteem, but a higher opinion of the physical appearance of oneself or one’s group tends to go with higher self-esteem.

You cannot infer my self-esteem level based on what I have written about women’s looks. When you admire some looks in women but not others and you are not a woman, what inference can be drawn about your self-esteem? Some people think that those with low self-esteem are more likely to talk negatively about others in an attempt to make themselves feel better. The reality is that those with high self-esteem are much more likely to do this, and they do it because those who are different from them are an insult to their existence. So if all the negative things I have written about homosexuals has something to do with self-esteem then it has to be high self-esteem. But then why would I allow you or others to leave comments that are abusive toward me? Shouldn’t these insult my high concept of myself?

My overall self-esteem is anywhere from somewhat below normal to normal. This is the way it is. I don't think this is a problem by itself. My main arguments tend to be empirical, including those on homosexuals, and self-esteem does not enter into the picture. I don’t see you and many others counter my arguments with a similar empirical approach.

If this website has made you scrutinize your physical appearance in a more nuanced manner and you fall short of high standards, do not blame the messenger. These high standards are yours. All I have done is bring you more in touch with your intrinsic orientation.

Petite: Your comment – at 02/15/2009 - 01:49 – is another useless straw man.

Peter: This is not a website for discussing homosexuality except for when it is related to the choice of fashion models, some other high profile models and beauty pageant contestants. I have extensively backed my writings on homosexuality with empirical evidence, the vast majority of it from peer-reviewed journals, and you will find answers to your questions by reading what I have written. Don’t waste my time with accusations of bias. Your behaviors do not alter the reality about the behaviors and impact of homosexuals in general or as a whole.

Emily: Some women are naturally very thin. Why should they be legislatively deprived of an opportunity to model? A system can be worked out where the burden of proof is on the fashion industry to show that models employed by it are not starving themselves to maintain their jobs. This can be achieved by random physiological testing of fashion models, at the industry’s expense, especially in the neighborhood of Fashion Week. Some people also push for the silly requirement that the models need to be 16 and up, silly in light of the gay fashion designers’ preferences. Concentrating on models between the ages of 12-16 would afford a better opportunity to come across girls who look more like boys in their early adolescence and are naturally very thin. Whereas an objection to this may be the negative impact it will have on some impressionable girls, the right education – why are high-fashion models typically very thin? – will take care of the problem in most girls.

Hey Erik,
What can i say? you stated "Don’t waste my time with accusations of bias". Why not? after all isn't that good for a scientist? (if you are one). I accuse you because a lot of the things you mentioned in your book are extremely off. Add to that the religious element and i was left wondering...Religion and homosexuality? good choice!
I haven't read your book yet but will be. I have very high self esteem thanks to this website. It made me realize how beautiful i really am! Thank you Erik!
If you really want to "talk" respond to my e-mail. For starters page 31 last paragraph about anal sex. Do you seriously believe most homosexuals don't care about the "stuff". Ever heard of doucher? Why do gay stores sell douchers? I don't wanna get into details here but seriously....
A few Q's
What about altruism and homosexuality?
what about homosexuality in animals? i read somewhere 50% or more bisexuality in Bonobos.
What about increasing anal sex prevalence in Straight porn? which will obviously reflect in real life...

I can keep going...I find it interesting that you wrote the book due to a friend's "challenge"??? When will you write a book with these findings on feminine beauty? Why only restrict it to the website. Ohhh i would love to read that book :)
best seller potential.

In the end Erik i have a Q, I am gay, never been with a woman but i have been attracted to many sometimes sexually. Does that mean i have "narrowly" escaped heterosexuality?

Erik,

Your views on self-esteem are an embarrassment to the concept of self-esteem. I do not have low self-esteem, and yes Emily does. Why? Because if you need to defined YOURSELF based on a group's accomplishments rather than your own, even in the area of beauty, this is a sign of low self-esteem. What did Hitler do to the Germans? He fed on their low-self esteem by making them believe that they as a group were superior because of certain qualities and characteristics they owned. Even those that did not measure up to these were consiered "superior" simply because they belong to this group in terms of genetics/etc. Emily feels she needs to identify with a group, why does she not let her beauty be a reflection of strictly herself rather than her Nordic group? People with low-self esteem like to believe themselves superior because they belong to a certain group, even if they don't have those qualities of the group, they believe that if they share ENOUGH qualities they are entitled to all the titles and accomplishments of that one group. Emily may believe that because her overal structure and pigmentation is Nordic that she is entitled to the "attractive" title that she percieves the Nordic group to hold even though in all honesty she may not measure up to the "attractive" title. She just associates herself with those that do and tries to give herself that title by mooching it off her group.

"If this website has made you scrutinize your physical appearance in a more nuanced manner and you fall short of high standards, do not blame the messenger"
I have never mentioned that I fall short of any standards. The ironic thing is that I am very feminine compared to even your "attractive section" women. I believe I mentioned that I used to get angry when people confused me for being younger (15,16,17) than I really am (20). However, I have figured out I have very smooth childike and feminine features. I also have a very porportional hourglass figure, large breasts and long legs. In all honesty, this site was more of a booster of self-confidence than anything, as I have mentioned in my last comment. I have learned to appreciate my feminine attributeds even more. However, I don't base almost any of my self-confidence on my appearance. I never really needed to do so. My self-esteem/confidence is based on my ability to recognize that I am a naturally talented human being who has strong morals, values, and character and is constantly developing in order to become a better person throughout my lifetime. My point about "scrutinizing myself" is that even women that are deemed "attractive" by this website will become paranoid by this website. More importantly, I have gotten into the habit of criticizing my friends which has made me feel as if I have put too much value on this ridiculous concept of beauty. Luckily, I have realized how little value beauty truly has in my life. Beauty at most has helped me attract my boyfriends into my life from first sight and that is it. Beauty has played a small role in my life as I have so much more to offer than a pretty face.

I don't see why you yourself should have low or average self-esteem. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders, you are articulate, and you even have a good sense of humor at times from what I have read. However, I believe that your ideas and values can be sickening.

That is all I am going to say. I honestly don't believe I should waste any more time on this website. I feel I don't need to prove anything, especially on here, because it is not going to make a difference anywhere really.

"I do not have low self-esteem, and yes Emily does"

Speak for yourself - not for me. Also, the readers, and you, are NOT the topic. When will you learn?

"Some women are naturally very thin. Why should they be legislatively deprived of an opportunity to model? A system can be worked out where the burden of proof is on the fashion industry to show that models employed by it are not starving themselves to maintain their jobs. This can be achieved by random physiological testing of fashion models, at the industry’s expense, especially in the neighborhood of Fashion Week. "

To me, those testings sound like something similar to the sports industry self-regulating its players. I just don't believe it would work. Yes, there are some - very few - naturally anorexic-looking women. They are very few, surely, and would also have to be up to the standards in the beauty department.

The truth is that when you see a top athlete today he or she is more than likely on steroids, and the truth is that anorexic models are almost never "naturally" that thin since they have to meet beauty standards as well as the anorexic standard homosexual fashion designers have decided on.

They take drugs to not feel hunger, drugs so they can stay awake, and they abuse their bodies in countless ways so they can meet woman-hating homosexual designers' demands.

When you legislate you cannot take into account the interests of just one or two women in many thousands of other women. If legislation would mean that some woman might not be able to model unless she gains a little weight, so be it.

Protecting thousands of women in the fashion industry, who today abuse their bodies so they can stand a fair chance of getting work, is more important to me. Legislation always primarily takes into account the interest of the vast majority. That's how it works. There will always be a few exceptions who get a raw deal in all types of legislations.

"Some people also push for the silly requirement that the models need to be 16 and up, silly in light of the gay fashion designers’ preferences. Concentrating on models between the ages of 12-16 would afford a better opportunity to come across girls who look more like boys in their early adolescence and are naturally very thin. Whereas an objection to this may be the negative impact it will have on some impressionable girls, the right education – why are high-fashion models typically very thin? – will take care of the problem in most girls."

If there were laws that regulated the industry's use of runway models for showing clothes for adult women - that they cannot be under 18, and that they cannot be under a certain weight - this would force the designers to use more mature and feminine women. Using kids who are androgenous since they are not mature sexually yet would become impossible, at least. I think it would be worth testing this since the industry has shown a total lack of interest in self-regulation in spite of hard criticism.

The right education? I think most teenagers couldn't care less about adults educating them about their teen culture. Adults and parents are hopeless nerds who don't understand anything. Most teens would see it that way. They wouldn't listen.

As long as only anorexic very young girls are used for modeling they will continue to be the norm and the standard that teens admire and try to emulate, I think. Even adult women often see them as rolemodels. How could we expect children to do otherwise when grown women are as impressionable as they are many times?

Sorry, I forgot to write my name. The above comment is mine.

Erik: You could have least have answered some of my questions. You said that whether or not a man prefers a different female figure than you do has nothing do with their sexuality, but most of the time you you contradict that sentiment. For instance, you say things like "what lifetime-exclusive heterosexual man would be turned on by that flat butt?" and "A lifetime exclusive hetero man would wish she had larger breasts"

Please answer this questions: Say a man is attracted to a woman with small breasts, or a flat butt, or with a masculine face, do you believe that this man is not a lifetime exclusive heterosexual?

I have to clarify some things on self-esteem but I have to go to work right now so I will later...

In light of all the comments godis and Peter have made recently it is fair to assume that they are hostile to the site, to you and to readers who disagree with them. They are trolling, attacking and insulting people on a regular basis.

They are completely incapable of addressing the topics of discussion without attacking other readers and you personally. They insult you, even bringing up your own mother, and others whose views they disagree with.

Why don't we do the same? Because we rely on the strenght of our arguments. They obviously feel that they can't. They have no arguments. They think they instead can win people over by insulting those who disagree with them. They don't realize that people who troll and attack others personally never won anyone over.

I think the threads ought to be moderated. Unless these people stick to the topics of discussion instead of making their opponents the topic of discussion their comments should be removed.

I think you could perhaps set up rules for posting on a special page here, so that people understand that they have to behave decently, and also understand what is not acceptable behavior. Hostile trolls could ruin a site if they are left totally unchecked. Many normal, nice and decent people who would like to comment here probably decide not to when they see these trolls running amock here.

Godis and Petite
You both make really good points and am glad you are here :)
Godis you sound like a real cutie and smart too! You go girl lol
If you get a chance, read even a little of Erik's book on homosexuality...I will be surprised if your not "touched in a negative way" by his extreme point of view.

Godis you sound much like me! I have been told that i have childlike/feminine features. Even girls tell me i have a beautiful face. Funny thing is that I used to look upto models for "inspirations" and compared myself to them. I am 6 feet tall and thought i "have" their body but not the face. I always wanted to get defined cheekbones and jaws of the models But thanks to this website i found out that i don't and my self esteem has risen!
Many kisses your way Erik for making me feel beautiful and feminine :D
Godis i don't think its too "bad" to gain some confidence by going through this website? Also don't leave...you make some really good (and needed) arguments.

The person who talked about me and Godis

You are one to talk! You are posting pictures of babies to prove your point....referring to what babies should look like or not.
You are calling/generalizing an entire race some words which i don't want to repeat particularly against East Asians. You have not responded to many comments/pictures/arguments made by different people.

Listen missie...I never said anything about Erik's family, or anyone's. I did call you a Bitch (in fun) for which i apologized.
I am going to repeat some things i said. I find beauty in all races, I do agree that race mixing for Nordics means losing their traits BUT do not believe in telling people who they should or should not choose.
If anyone needs moderating its YOU! What have pictures of babies and under 18 year olds (cheerleaders, high school students) have to do with feminine beauty that we are talking about? Take a look at yourself before you blame others.
All in all i feel sorry for you....pity even.

And NO Emily I am not hostile towards this site. I am a BIG fan! I have let Erik know that a few times. I have found out that i am feminine and beautiful through this site. I can BET i am much more beautiful than you :) inside and out.

"And NO Emily I am not hostile towards this site. I am a BIG fan! I have let Erik know that a few times. I have found out that i am feminine and beautiful through this site. I can BET i am much more beautiful than you :) inside and out."

I think you have deep problems if you let a web site have the power to prop up or lower your self-esteem. (Feminine, by the way? Are you a woman?)

I don't need that. I don't need a web site to tell me I am worth something, and I don't spend hours writing boring comments about myself, like I was on a therapist couch, like the trolls here and insecure people do. Talk about issues and insecurity!

I am very good looking. That is why I don't NEED to come here for validation. I don't need a web site to prop up my self-confidence, and I don't need to attack people who disagree with me. I am not weak.

I stand up for the issues I believe in. I am not here to talk about me or to talk about you - other posters. I am here because the topic of the site interests me. That's how it should be.

Unless you people stop trolling and start addressing the topics of the site I do think your comments should be moderated. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue, in opinion.

As far as I can tell I am almost the only reader right now who sticks to the topics and who doesn't insult and attacks others. I think that should be taken into account.

As far as I can tell I am almost the only reader right now who sticks to the topics and who doesn't insult and attacks others.

I am very good looking. That is why I don't NEED to come here for validation.

The white race is the only one that stands on its own feet in terms of looks. The other races need our genes to improve their looks

Other races feel envy and hatred towards whites

Asians LOVE white people and want to emulate us as much as they can

Remember..they want to look like us

The lolita-look of the Asian women is disgusting. Why do Asians so often cater to phedophiles? Because that is the only niche they have.

Show me pictures where the women aren't borrowing white genes in order to look attractive.

What's the matter? Can't they stand on their own feet? Do they really need us so badly?

Address the argument - not the person. Again, why can't you people argue without attacking and insulting?

Soon enough it will no longer be possible to tell exactly what race or ethnicity someone is

it is VERY important to address the fact that relatively few Asian- or black genes can do un unproportional amount of damage to the Nordic recessive genes/ sub-race.

You are angry because white people wish to preserve their race

It would suit you just fine if you bred us out since many of you are more racists than any white person will ever be.

Most of these Asians obviously can't get a decent man, even if she is attractive. If he doesn't look like a total nerd or their granddad he is probably a dominering abuser. I wonder if they tell these men that they love them before they are imported into the Western countries and make sure they get pregnant as soon as possible.

It's easy for an Asian, Indian or black person to take a hypocritical high moral ground. After all, you don't stand to lose a thing. We do. So shut up.

You can't be older than 15. Your immaturity shines through your comments

The problem with Asian/Caucasian race mixing is that it does nothing for OUR race. White people don't benefit from this. They "pollute" our small gene pool in order to look more attractive themselves, offering nothing of value in return.

A pure Nordic girl doesn't need black, Asian, Indian and slavic blood in order to enhance her appearance.

By the way, the girls you posted look like the ones pedophiles are attracted to
The "little girl" stereotype is heavily underlined. I don't think women who look like they popped out from the womb in embryo form and never developed are feminine or attractive.

Her facial features look disproportionate and she seems to have the mental capacity of a 7-year-old. Pedophile alert there

The first one looks like she's a prepubescent 12-year-old child.

You are Indian. How surprising

It's unfortunate but not AVOIDABLE, since people, tragically, browse these sites looking mainly for personal validation

I never understand why people take this so personally.
think the problem is that women who feel deeply insecure browse the net for sites dealing with beauty, seeking validation from those sites

Seriously, this racist nonsense will have to stop

Unlike many other women here I don't have huge insecurities and don't feel personally attacked

Who are you talking to?

I don't see Indian/Chinese/Spanish people mating with White/Nordic people for the sake of "improving" their own genes and "polluting" ours. I see people falling in love and getting married. White people and other races are mutually deciding to date, have sex with and marry each other.

Also, since when is it all about appearances? Who actually cares that much about appearances?

Petite, the above post is a copy and paste of that nordic Emily girls exact quotes, just thought id paste them to add a hint of humour to the site.

I am very good looking. That is why I don't NEED to come here for validation.

Good for you

The white race is the only one that stands on its own feet in terms of looks. The other races need our genes to improve their looks

Your opinion. Many people would disagree with you. I know lots of white men who find Asian, Indian and Black women very attractive.

Other races feel envy and hatred towards whites

You think that all other races have that much self hatred towards themselves simply because their not white? You think it's impossible that they could be comfortable in their own skin? Don't be so full of your race. That's like saying "All the girls at high school envy and hate me just because I'm just so beautiful!" Please.

Asians LOVE white people and want to emulate us as much as they can

I wouldn't say they love white people, I would say they emulate and are fascinated by western culture, much the same way many American teenagers today are fascinated by Japan. Just because they like our culture does not mean they hate themselves, by the way. The only exception I'd make is those girls who get surgery to change their eyes. That's just plain sad. However I know some white girls who have either already gotten the surgery or are considering getting the surgery that makes their eyes look more Asian, so I'd say it goes two ways.

Remember..they want to look like us

Even if that was true for some of them, you really think that that is the only motive of an asian/indian/black person? All they care about is marrying a white person to "improve" themselves? What do you think it's some sort of conspiracy? I'd hate to go through life as paranoid as you are.

Show me pictures where the women aren't borrowing white genes in order to look attractive.

This would be pointless, because even if I showed you photos of women of other races who I, and probably many other people, believe are very pretty your personal opinion would always be that they are ugly.

What's the matter? Can't they stand on their own feet? Do they really need us so badly?

Nothing, yes, and no. Once again, stop being so full of yourself. Not everyone wants to look just like you.

Address the argument - not the person. Again, why can't you people argue without attacking and insulting?

I am.

Soon enough it will no longer be possible to tell exactly what race or ethnicity someone is

I guess that would be a shame in the same way I'd hate to see Pandas go extinct. However, I'm not about to start regulating who someone can fall in love with and marry, nor am I going to get all suspicious that other races have some sort of conspiracy against white people.

it is VERY important to address the fact that relatively few Asian- or black genes can do un unproportional amount of damage to the Nordic recessive genes/ sub-race.

Yes, because a white person NEVER wants to marry an Asian, Indian or Hispanic person. Nope, it's just these evil other races brainwashing us for the purpose of getting at our genes *rolls eyes*

You are angry because white people wish to preserve their race

I'm not angry at all, because "white people" as a whole do not want to "preserve their race". Only you, and perhaps a few more people are that interested in mere appearances. Your opinion won't change the world, sry2say, so I'm not angry one bit.

It would suit you just fine if you bred us out since many of you are more racists than any white person will ever be.

Riiight, because you're not being racist at all. Saying that ALL people of ANY other race but white all hate themselves and spend their lives searching for a white partner they can brainwash them and make babies. As if that does not sound as though you are prejudice and afraid of other races at all.

Most of these Asians obviously can't get a decent man, even if she is attractive. If he doesn't look like a total nerd or their granddad he is probably a dominering abuser. I wonder if they tell these men that they love them before they are imported into the Western countries and make sure they get pregnant as soon as possible.

First of all, as if no white/nordic people ever can't find a decent man, even if she is attractive (maybe because of a displeasing personality? Men do care about more than just looks, y'know). Secondly where are your statistics and sources for these "facts" that Asian people mostly end up in horrible relationships or ugly people? Thirdly, there you go again assuming these are all loveless marriages and asian people are just out to get you!

It's easy for an Asian, Indian or black person to take a hypocritical high moral ground. After all, you don't stand to lose a thing. We do. So shut up.

I'm white, and I'm not afraid of losing anything.

You can't be older than 15. Your immaturity shines through your comments

I don't know who you are talking to, but I am 22 years old, and I think I have reflected great maturity in all of my comment here.

The problem with Asian/Caucasian race mixing is that it does nothing for OUR race. White people don't benefit from this. They "pollute" our small gene pool in order to look more attractive themselves, offering nothing of value in return.

Who says it does no good for our race? You? Like I said, many white men actually find other races very appealing and exotic. I also know of many "mixed" people whom men find attractive. White people are not the only attractive race, which is really what this boils down to.

A pure Nordic girl doesn't need black, Asian, Indian and slavic blood in order to enhance her appearance.

She doesn't need it, you're right. She would marry an Asian, Indian or Slavic man out of love, not to improve the appearance of her children. On the other hand, I don't think other races need us either. Just because YOU believe that no other race will ever match up to the pure perfection of a white person does not mean that every other person on this earth agrees.

I never understand why people take this so personally.
think the problem is that women who feel deeply insecure browse the net for sites dealing with beauty, seeking validation from those sites

The site itself does not really bother me too much, because I am also a very attractive young woman. I actually think a lot of what's on here is true. I only have a few small issues with terminology, but that is separate from this argument. What bothers me more is these comments you're making. Wouldn't you be freaked out if someone was to come on here and say "White people are all so ugly! They just want my Indian/Asian/Black genes!" and posted a bunch of fat, zit faced, disproportionate white women (because *gasp* there are ugly white women too!)? It may sound ridiculous to you, or even laughable, when your argument isn't too different.

Seriously, this racist nonsense will have to stop

Okay, you first.

Whoever posted the comments of emily THANKYOU!
I was going to do the same! Now what do these statements say??? Liar, hypocrite, immature????
I maybe treating this site as a theraputic outlet...But Emily you actually NEED therapy. Go along hun you have my full support :D

Godis: You think my views on self-esteem are an embarrassment to the concept of self-esteem? Read the research for yourself. I know of more hard-hitting research findings. Your conceptualization of self-esteem has been widely held and still harbored by many, but debunked in recent years. Self-esteem levels have a lot to do with genetics, and this is the reason why you can’t think of a reason why my self-esteem levels are somewhere from below average to average in spite of having “a good head.” There does not have to be a reason; genetics is involved. And you must understand the clear finding: prejudice against others or a lower opinion of others tends to go with high self-esteem, not low self-esteem.

If you insist that Emily is trying to put down non-Nordics in the looks department, then her self-esteem is most likely high, but Emily could just very well be stating factual matters. How does one decide? By having a proper debate, not attacking the character or motives of a person. Emily has never made an argument that she looks good because she is a Nordic. Her argument is that she looks good because that is how it is; she also happens to be a Nordic and finds that Nordics have a much higher frequency of good looking people among them compared to other populations, based on widely shared criteria of beauty. Anyone who disputes this should engage her in sound debate.

You believe that Hitler fed on the low-self-esteem of Germans? Before the Nazis came to power, Germany was in shambles economically. Many countries today are heading toward the situation in Weimar Germany. Do you see an epidemic of low self-esteem or people rioting because of anger? Look at what happened in Iceland. A prosperous country went bankrupt on short notice. Did the Icelanders start brooding over how they have failed their society or did they take to the streets, well-aware that banking parasites caused the collapse? In its pure form, the Vikings’ spirit would have resulted in the banking parasites and their acolytes in the government being publicly hung. The spirit has unfortunately apparently mellowed or these filthy parasites would have been sent to Hell, but the mellowing has little to do with self-esteem.

The Nazis also clearly admired the Northern European phenotype but only half of Germans were ethnically Northern European. So do you think that Hitler and the Nazis were trying to make the Germans feel superior to non-Germans? And if you believe that the Nazis regarded even those Germans who didn’t measure up as superior because they were German, you surely have not heard of the “Untermensch” or the undermen or specifically the undesirables among white Germans.

Erik,

Let me state it again: You're views of self-esteem ARE an embarrassment to the concept of self-esteem. The research you gave me was bullshit, much like any evidence you provide on this website to support your claims! Self-esteem is NOT genetic. I suppose now you are going to claim that "Nordics" are born with higher self-esteem as well? Get your head out of your ass Erik.

Godis: Honey, I gave you an extensive, fairly recent, scientific literature review on self-esteem, published by mainstream academics in a peer-reviewed science journal. You told me it is bullshit! Incidentally, the review I cited doesn’t go into the genetics part, and I can only think of how much you will be pleased by coming across it.

Why will I claim that Northern Europeans are born with higher self-esteem? The reality is that Northern Europeans on average have lower self-esteem than many, possibly most populations, including those populations that compared to Northern Europeans have effectively no accomplishments or features to celebrate or be proud of. Nordic culture frowns upon pride. Why is this so? Think of genetic involvement.

Northern European achievement speaks for itself. Think how much of it is due to a disproportionate number among them not contended with who they are such that they strive to better themselves and exceed themselves in order to find themselves or life worthy.

Erik,
Now before you start to attack/bully me i just wanted to add my two cents. NOTE: I am not starting anything off-topic, I simply responding to some issues brought on this page.
First of all .... good job "defending" Emily. I expected this of you. If you want i can post her exact words to show you how offensive and "racist" they are towards East Asians....and i am not even East Asian. But i am sure you don't want that or even want to consider warning her not to do so.
Secondly in regards to self esteem. Again like mental illness it can be variable through out life. I myself had below average self esteem when i was 16 or something but now at 24 i have above average confidence and this has been steady the past few years. Getting older, becoming more comfortable with oneself, education etc are contributors.
Thirdly please don't use/rely on statistics/equivalents so much! The vast majority of Nordics i have met, did not have low self esteem and i do not see any reason why Nordics should have low self esteem. They are lovely people :)
The days of Erik (no "pun" intended) the red settling Greenland, European colonialism etc are over. Some Nordics shouldn't look to these as means of self evaluation/self worth etc.

Erik please don't be angry with me....I stuck to in topic "discussions" and made this post short and sweet :)

Peter: I have not exactly defended Emily. She has committed some sins, and I will discuss them in response to an earlier comment by you, later. And there is nothing along the lines of dual standards by me. Emily’s first comments were on an article addressing the Nordic nose. She was responding to disparaging comments on Nordics. I had let those disparaging comments stand without any comment by me. So no dual standards here. I will explain more later.

Of course, self-esteem can vary within an individual and across time in a population, and I did not imply otherwise, but it is meaningful to talk about baseline averages (especially affected by genetics) and population averages. I didn’t say Nordics have low self-esteem; I said it is on average lower than in many populations. Again, you, like Godis, cannot see a reason why it has to be this way. But there do not have to be any reasons related to education or achievements or colonial history or other things along these lines. Think of genetics.

Erik,
I don't know how this is possible but today the tone of your message was ....nice. So you can be nice :)
I can speak personally and say i have never once said/generalized that Nordics are "ugly or this and that". After all most of the attention i get is from Nordics (to my utter delight) lol
I need to go back and refresh my memory on who "started" the exchange of words BUT if some person did say something "negative" about Nordics. That does not give Emily any right to speak "ill" of other races and that too on different posts (if you are aware) and continuously.
For example, I have not said anything offensive about your family (some people referred to it) or anything too bad to you even though you made unflattering and "unimpressive"/already known conclusions/equivalents about nonheterosexuals.

Regarding self esteem, yes i am aware that mental illness "supposedly" runs in families. But Erik my "message" is one of empowerment and betterment of humanity. I had everything working against me - mental illness, low self esteem, poverty, homophobia, racism etc etc BUT i rose beyond all that. I think sometimes telling people that their low self esteem is due to genetics, gives a sense of "hopelessness" after all its in your genes and you can't change that. We as people can empower ourselves against all odds.
So yes you can show me peer reviewed journals of scientists who tell me that my low self esteem is genetic (high likelihood) But i as a person can sulk with that information or try to improve myself and maybe prove that notion false........which i have done brilliantly!

Lastly i wanted to add, Godis mentioned she is 20 and i am 24. You are 34, well versed in statistics, some science and research - keep this in mind when you say things like "you won't understand"

This is interesting. Please explain how it is related to genetics. Please explain why Nordics frown upon pride, etc.

I honestly have not noticed this trend. I do have some Nordic family, although I myself am not Nordic, only a little bit but not fully. They are probably your typical Nords: blue eyes, blonde hair, long oval faces, tall, etc. They DO NOT have low-self esteem. They have high-self esteem. All of them are pretty successful and all of them are proud of themselves. They don't rub it in your face, but you can tell that they are proud of what they have accomplished and there is nothing wrong with that. There might be one or two of them that don't have the best self-esteem, but this is normal within any family of any background. Most of my family on my Nordic side have a healthy self-esteem, healthy lifestyle,are successful, etc.

Erik,

You also adress that you appreciate masculine men and feminine women? Why is something not adding up?

Because a masculine man must have a masculine mother to be masculine and attractive. Therefore you indirectly VALUE masculine women.

A feminine woman has to have a feminine daughter. However a feminine woman has feminine sons as well. So since Nordic women on average are the most feminine do they have the highest frequency of feminine men?

Erik,

Your comment on self esteem is correct and i agree with it, however emily is not in my opinion an example of someone with high self esteem. She is an open fraud. Emily gives the impression through her insults/non stop negative comments on east asians that she is proud of her nordic looks and dissasociates herself from east asians on the basis of there looks but through insulting them she actually associates herlself/race on there level and puts her races beauty on there level. Her arrogance is open where as a truly proud person who believed there race/group of people were the best looking would have a silent arrogance about them and the last thing they would do is associate themselves in any way to that group whoose looks they so detested. On reading all her posts one cannot fail to genuinely wonder weather emily is playing a semantic game and weather she actually believes nordics are as good looking as people of some other races/groups out there or weather simply that is what she would like to believe.....

"Her arrogance is open where as a truly proud person who believed there race/group of people were the best looking would have a silent arrogance about them"

LOL

Sure. I'm open - not silent. How naughty of me. And what a pity for some who would have liked the bashing of Nordic women to continue here unchallenged. It was time to set the record straight and I will continue to do so when I feel it is appropriate, while addressing the issues - not the posters.

And for the record, I don't "believe" Nordics and whites in general are the best looking, they just are. Political correctness will never change that fact. Since most other races are not even remotely good looking, generally speaking, that in itself isn't such a big accomplishment.

By the way, to take someone's sentences totally out of context, cutting and pasting them into one fake comment, is in exceptionally poor taste. It says everything about the person who does it, and about the persons applauding it. And to even take the time to do something like that...that's just lame.

by Emily

Sure. I'm open - not silent. How naughty of me. And what a pity for some who would have liked the bashing of Nordic women to continue here unchallenged. It was time to set the record straight and I will continue to do so when I feel it is appropriate, while addressing the issues - not the posters.

And for the record, I don't "believe" Nordics and whites in general are the best looking, they just are. Political correctness will never change that fact. Since most other races are not even remotely good looking, generally speaking, that in itself isn't such a big accomplishment.

By the way, to take someone's sentences totally out of context, cutting and pasting them into one fake comment, is in exceptionally poor taste. It says everything about the person who does it, and about the persons applauding it. And to even take the time to do something like that...that's just lame.

Lol

by Emily

And for the record, I don't "believe" Nordics and whites in general are the best looking, they just are.

Lol

Erik loves to talk about other people mental illnesses.
I wonder what would could be found out about him if he agreed to be psychologically analyzed.
He seems like a pathological feticist, with an unstable personality and an obsession for useless
concepts no one cares about expect him. I guess a psychiatrist check up would demonstrate he suffers from an array of mental conditions, obsessions, manias and cognitive impairment and delusions.

link | Submitted by Emily on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 09:22.

''And for the record, I don't "believe" Nordics and whites in general are the best looking, they just are. Political correctness will never change that fact''

For the record Erik (countless others) doesnt ''believe'' Nordics and Whites in general are NOT the best looking its just they arent. Political correctness will never change that fact.

link | Submitted by Erik on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 23:45.
If you believe that Asian mixture can improve the looks of a Nordic, I’d say you are correct; it can sometimes, but this improvement will almost never be because the face is shifted toward East Asian norms but because of other factors.

nice pictures,the girl is really a beauty.

#49 | link | Submitted by redrose on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 20:52.

link | Submitted by Emily on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 09:22.

''And for the record, I don't "believe" Nordics and whites in general are the best looking, they just are. Political correctness will never change that fact''

For the record Erik (countless others) doesnt ''believe'' Nordics and Whites in general are NOT the best looking its just they arent. Political correctness will never change that fact.

Correction:

For the record Erik (countless others) doesnt ''believe'' Nordics and Whites in general are the best looking its just they arent. Political correctness will never change that fact.

This comment is just idiotic and meant to hurt, I don't know Eric but he is entitled to his opinion- and there is no basis for this comment. What has his mother got to do with anything? Presumably most men inherit their masculinity or lack of from the father- and there are genetic traits that affect ther person in the womb. But other than that his mother has nothing to do with this and you should be more respectful

to number 19 comment this is a dumb question: if you're sexually attracted to both sexes then you are obviously bisexual - regardless of restricting relations to same sex partners.

And to those against Eric:

You may not agree with Eric's opinions; but he has a right to have an opinion on any subject in life and to try to defend it- as we all do and regardless of the topic matter. It's freedom of speech regardless of whether it's PC, he's "allowed" to study the matter in a scientific matter& put forward theories which we can accept or reject.

Whether he's right or not is up to him to prove. But just because a topic is not PC and annonys people doesn't mean it's not truthful. And I have no agenda one way or the other. Just stating my opinion):

Nor do I know who on earth Eric is and this is honestly the first time I stumble upon this site, and it happened because I was wondering why the hell are those models all so damn anorexic and dying; googling the words brought me to this interesting and informative site. It's worth thinking about what he says as a POSSIBILITY regardless of whether we like or believe it.

The truth is if Eric were talking about straight fashion designers pushing for a certain look that went against women's health even pushing some to die literally, then everyone would be on his side. But because he has an opionion regarding gay men which is seen as not "politically correct" he is being attacked without making an attempt to proper read and study and think about the point he is trying to make in the first place!! Even though he is not attacking any sexual orientation: All he's saying that is that fashion designers are using models who they find attractive due to their sexual preferences- even if that means they would -and are- pushing young women to their deaths by forcing them to be too thin to the point of anorexia& sometimes death to just to keep& maintain their jobs.

Even if modelling is a cut throat business and models "choose" to put up with risking illness& death we as a society should not put up with it- regardless of the reason. It's neither ethical nor humane nor acceptable. And Emily's 100% right that the industry - regardless of their reasons- have proven their inability to choose models who are "healthy thin" and not "anorexic looking as if they're dying" thin.

In no other profession would we or have we tolerated this. Even in other professions where people may face discrimination such as prostitutes and sex workers ,you will find their are places and people who will defend their rights as humans by forcing them to use condoms to minimize the risks to their health for instance.

So why are models not entitled -like any other profession- to have their health protected and not destroyed by virtue of their career??! It's like saying to someone "It's your choice to be a model and if you die that's too bad- you took the risk by choosing this career!" It's utterly ridiculous and not a valid argument. It's the industry's duty to protect the models not put them at risk of literally dying and eating disorders!

And the truth is that there is no valid reason for their being thin- other than the desingers' preference: Because if you think about it logically the whole "coat hanger" theory thing doesn't hold up! Why? Becuase if it were true then it would have held true to models of the forties and fifties! And it didn't! They were NOWHERE NEAR AS THIN as the poor anorexic models of nowadays who puke and eat lettuce and fall down dead just to sell overpriced products to people! No one's job should cost them their lives.

And Emily's right if women like Marilyn Monroe and Sophia Loren were young in this day and age and came to model they'd be considered too fat by today's crazy designers and booed off! Which is wrong and unrealistic! They're not fat; they're beautiful and slim with curves! But today's standards are totally off- they are promoting women who look like skinny teen boys not women who look like women! OK not all women have curves but all the models they use look the same! There's no diversity- they all have to look as if they're dying! The sad truth is some of them DID die due to this unhealthy lifestyle and some models themselves have started taking a stand. It's about time we did too.

Also it may be that the industry is desparate to save money on clothes with their ludicrous sample 00 sizes -which did NOT hold true for the 1940s and fifties for some reason?!. However, it's hard to imagine that's the only reason. Especially after all the furore lately with poor models passing out and one or two dying after the show. Just so they could reflect the idea of beauty of inhumane fashion designer out of touch with real beauty standards liked by real men and women- but the designers are TOTALLY DISCONNECTED from society in their own little bubble which needs to burst. And their behavious is wrong by any standards (putting women's lives in danger to sell products) regardless of the reason. And regardless of their sexual orientation.

Also we should focus on the subject matter on the site and NOT on some book Eric wrote many years ago which nobody cares about and which has little bearing on the matter at hand.

It's up to Eric to try and prove his point from a scientific viewpoint even thought it's not "PC" Again, just because something's not PC DOESN'T MEAN IT MAY NOT BE TRUE. I SAID MAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR VIEWPOINT AND TO TRY TO BACK IT UP.

Having said that I too don't agree with the choice of many of the women Eric chooses as attractive; I agree they're feminine but don't find them all attractive. But that's his choice.

I think both things are and hold true: 1 there is a general standard of beauty most people find attractive, but 2 also beauty is in the eye of the beholder as we can't all always agree on who's beautiful nor should we have to.

We can all agree however on 2 things:

- Most if not all models in the industry are TOO thin and are putting their lives at risk which is neither acceptable nor even necessary in order to sell a product,! the fact is as Eric said we all need and want to buy clothes, so whatever the models are like we WILL be buying the clothes if the clothes look good! Nor does looking emaciated look good to most people who are NOT fashion designers!

- Clothes may hang better on slimmer people but only to an extent! And that extent doesn't need to reach the point of emaciation or anorexia!

Also there is obviously IS some hidden motive for all this regardless- whether Eric's theories are right but they make sense otherwise why would the industry keep forcing death on these women or illnesses if it wasn't to promote the look they want? Because like I said if the coat hanger theory was true it would have been applied in the forties and fifties or the early part of the 20th century when they had models. And wasn't applied.

Also, I don't agree with Emily that caucasions or Europeans or a certain category are the best looking, but that is HER OPINION- AND AGAIN SHE IS ENTITLED TO HER OPINION. SHE THINKS IT'S A FACT AND I DON'T- BUT AGAIN THE FACT SHE THINKS IT'S A FACT IS JUST HER OPINION! AND SHE'S ENTITLED TO HER OPINION!

Plus I respect her for taking a stand against the industry's using too thin models and only "anorexic looking" models and their unrealistic death provoking standards. She is right that nobody should be allowed to use people and expliot their need for work and drugs and self-destruction at any price.

As for Eric, if he wants to drive home his point about beauty better he would be better advised to use photos of women that many of us -if not most- find attractive and feminine such as well known hollywood actresses or celebreties who don't act- who most ppl would consider feminine such as Catherine Zeta Jones, Kim Kardashian, Rene Zellweger, and old fashioned actresses from the past such as Sophia Loren and Ava Gardner and Kim Novac. Most would agree they're feminine, attractive, healthy, not too fat and not too thin. They are HEALTHY SLIM AND NOT ANOREXIC SLIM. MOST OF THEM WOULD LOOK DAMN BETTER ON THE RUNWAY THAN THOSE POOR STARVED EMACIATED SCARECROWS THEY USE!

The industry needs to wake up to the fact that women don't have to be too thin or too fat! There IS a happy medium! AND there IS 'HEALTHY THIN' AS OPPOSED TO 'SCARY SICK THIN'!

But again it's Eric's choice whose photos he uses, we're meant to study the femininity angle more than the attraction factor as attraction can vary in some issues from one person to another.

I for one respect Eric and Emily for being honest even if everything they say isnt' "PC" Things can be true even if they're NOT PC. As long as you don't attack anybody or promote hate you should be able to state your views and try to back them up with a scientific basis- especially if you really believe or have a basis for believing them to be correct.

Also Eric's personal life has nothing to do with this. It's disrespectful of some people to keep accusing him of having too much time on his hands or attacking his personal life. He may have a wonderful personal life but have a desire to write about this topic. Again it's his choice and we need to respect others' choices regarless of whether " they are PC or not "

At the end of the day if he were talking about any other topic on the planet such as global warming or he was just defending the need to NOT kill models for their work (without promoting the theory he believes) then nobody would dream of attacking him or his personal life- and who cares anyway? Only people with NO OBJECTIV valid argument would attack someone's personal life instead of responding to their theory in an objective manner- regardless of whether we agree with the theory or not.

We need to address each other with respect.

And for the record, I am a woman who is NOT caucasion or European but a mix of cultures- so have no reason or "agenda" to defend Emily's finding only certain people beautiful and I don't happen to agree with her- it's just her right to have an opinion whether we like it or not. And I'm not against anybody being the weight or sexual orientation or anything they want to be or are.

I'm just against people having to DIE to keep their job or put their health at risk. Which is something all of us should feel and WOULD believe if it were happening to people we personally knew and cared about. And NO I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW ANY MODELS. IT'S JUST WHAT'S RIGHT AND HUMANE AND ETHICAL.

And again I'm more concerned with the industry's being held accountable for the lives of people they employ rather than Eric's theory regarding fashion designers' motives; is it's true he will eventually prove it- and if it's not it will just die out in time.

But we need to accept the POSSIBLITY of people's theories being true and think about them OBJECTIVELY before we dismiss them- and that would mean research- not coming here and fighting with everyone we happen to disagree with. Or defending about our own agendas; if we care only about the truth of the matter and finding it- regardless of that truth- then we WON'T HAVE an agenda.

And that's my two cents):

To visitor 22 you are TOTALLY RIGHT and they need to have certain laws so that people under a certain weight don't risk their health by modelling or nothing will change, GREAT comment, totally agree with you. One of the few objective comments on this site.