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Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose

Igor Niechajev (I.N.) and Per-Olle Haraldsson (P.O.H.), two of the most active rhinoplasty (nose jobs ) surgeons in Stockholm, Sweden, described the ethnic profile of their aesthetic rhinoplasty surgery patients from 1985-1995(1).  The patients were residents of Stockholm, Sweden.  The ethnic breakdown is shown below.

Rhinoplasty (nose jobs) in Stockholm, Sweden

About 48% of the patients were non-Nordic, whereas in 1994, non-Nordic inhabitants were 12.5% of the population in Stockholm, i.e., the non-Nordic inhabitants were six times more likely to undergo aesthetic rhinoplasty than the Nordic inhabitants.  Stockholm inhabitants of Middle Eastern extraction were 3.1% of the population in 1994, and were thereby 17 times more likely than the Nordics to seek nose jobs.  Overall, the ratio of men to women among the patients was 1:1.3, but among people originating in Russia, Poland, and the former Czechoslovakia, this ratio was 1:17, which the authors attributed to many Slavic women being mail-order brides and thereby very particular about looking good.

Here is the comment by the authors as to why the non-Nordics are much more likely to seek nose jobs:

Why are ‘‘foreigners’’ having their noses operated on much more frequently than the native Swedes?  Has the government’s official immigrant policy failed?  Many of our ‘‘foreign’’ patients speak flawless or almost flawless Swedish, seek or keep good jobs, but still feel that their noses are against them.  They feel that people stare at them.  Rhinoplasty gave such patients increased self-assurance.  Many, of course, requested surgery because they just wanted to look better.  Others have experienced that an un-Swedish name or look is a major obstacle in the job market.  By changing their names and diminishing their noses many Middle Easterners desire a more European, ‘‘Italian’’ look, which is much better accepted
(see example of the 16-year-old Middle Eastern girl below).

Sweden has introduced probably the most generous immigration laws in the world.  Our country is internationally active and in the forefront of the U.N., UNESCO, International Red Cross, and other similar organizations, fighting for human rights and considers itself a consciousness of the world.  This international success has unfortunately not been followed by an abolition of petty discrimination on the home ground.  Legislations could be changed over night, whereas a profound change of attitudes in the society takes many decades.  A part of our study confirms the integration bluff in Sweden.  In order to be accepted by the society many emigrees have to change their names and buy new noses.

The authors are probably trying to offer a politically correct explanation above but have let the pictures in their paper speak for themselves as far as the real reason is concerned.

The authors provided illustrations of how non-Swedish noses differ from Swedish/Nordic noses by showing pictures of common types of noses found among the non-Swedish groups their patients came from.

The following example is of a Finnish woman.  Compared to Swedes, the Finns, on average, have wider and flatter noses.  The rate of aesthetic rhinoplasty among non-Swedish Nordics was not higher than among Swedish Nordics.

Finnish woman

The following example is of a Slavic woman.  For technical terminology, refer to this diagram.  In Slavic noses, the dorsum is wider and the nasal tip is bulkier with strong, well-structured alar cartilages. The nose tip is either upturned or prominent.   The height of the dorsum may match Swedish norms or be a little less.  The naso-labial angle is > 90 degrees.

Slavic woman

The following example is of a Greek woman, illustrating a common type of nose in the Mediterranean region; before surgery (left) and after straightening her nose and shaving off part of the columella.  “Typical for this region is an ‘‘eagle’’ profile with the high, convex dorsum, ‘‘hanging’’ columella, and a naso-labial angle < 90 degrees. On the frontal view the tip can have crescent appearance and the dorsum is narrow. Both skeletal and cartilaginous parts of the nose are strong and well developed. The skin is moderately thick.”

Greek woman

The following example is of a Levantine (Dinaric) nose commonly found in the area close to the Mediterranean coast, corresponding to the areas of modern Lebanon and Syria.  These noses are large and have a nasoglabial angle less than 90 degrees.  The dorsum is frequently high and arching.  “The nasal tip is fine and narrow.  Nose contour from root to tip is long, but the columella is overshortened, pulling the tip in and down.”

Levantine or Dinaric nose

The following example shows an Iraqi Kurd before his surgery (left) and after making his nose straighter.  He is illustrating a common nose type in the Eastern Middle Eastern region (Iraq, Iran): large, strongly built, naso-labial angle of <90° and possessing thick and oily skin.  “The nasal tip is wide and heavy containing large alar cartilages and a well-developed subcutaneous fat layer.”

Iraqi Kurd

The following example shows a “perfectly assimilated” 16-year-old girl of Middle Eastern origin who straightened her nose (A, C show pre-surgery pictures) to acquire a straighter-nosed southern European look.

Middle Eastern woman

The authors also described an example of the extreme kind of nose job requests they get.  The following picture shows a 19-year-old woman of Korean ancestry who arrived with a very European-looking mannequin and said that she wanted the nose seen in the mannequin.  She was advised not to have surgery.

Korean woman

The authors also provided the picture of a Swedish patient that sought refinement of her nose:

Swedish woman

So what is the reason why a greater proportion of non-Nordics seek nose jobs?  What does one expect if they live among a people where fine, straight and chiseled noses as among the following Swedish males are often encountered?

Nordic male; Swede Nordic male; Swede

In the pictures of Nordic noses below (click for larger images), note the prominence of the nasal bones (upper part of the nose) in side view even though the nose itself is feminine and not overall very prominent, and contrast them with the upper nose projection of the 16-year-old Middle Eastern girl shown above, which is not prominent enough for the surgeon to give her nose a Nordic look, i.e., the woman can at most settle for a straighter Southern European look.

Nordic nose Nordic nose Nordic nose

In a nutshell, the pictures speak for themselves with respect to answering the authors’ question, “Why are ‘‘foreigners’’ having their noses operated on much more frequently than the native Swedes?”  The authors are no doubt aware of this but obviously couldn’t say it in the paper.  The answer to this question is not the domination of Swedish society by Nordics.  Whereas Nordic Swedes are not particularly known to be a thin-lipped European people, I doubt that non-Europeans are generally enthusiastic about thinner European lips.  Untanned Nordic skin is also likely too pale for many non-Europeans, certainly a greater proportion than the proportion that does not appreciate fine, straight and chiseled Nordic noses (probably close to zero percent among Middle Eastern and Mediterranean populations).  In addition, Moslems often despise the gender egalitarianism and women’s rights situation in the Nordic nations, the best of its kind, and would consider it an abomination to adopt the secular elements of Western culture, yet have admiration for fine and chiseled Nordic noses.  How is this mix of admired, more or less neutral and despised Nordic traits explained?  Obviously some admired features are intrinsically admired, which is explained very well by the pictures above.

On the other hand, there are some non-Europeans who make their nose look more European and end up dissatisfied as a result of losing a sense of ethnicity(2).

Consider a common tendency among noses in South Asia (India), shown below, where the dashed line describes the straightening that some Indians seek.

Common Indian nose profile

Famous Indian beauty Aishwarya Rai has the gently hooked nose shown above.

Aishwarya Rai

A south Asian woman is shown below with a surgically Europeanized nose (A, B, C), but she sought another nose job, nose implants to be more precise, to restore her ethnic looks somewhat (D, E, F); click image for larger version.

Indian woman

Similarly, the following example shows a Jewish man who had had a nose job (A, B, C), causing him to lose a sense of ethnicity, whereupon he had a nose implant to make his nose more prominent, though he kept it straight (D, E, F); click image for larger version.

Jewish patient

References

  1. Niechajev I, Haraldsson PO. Ethnic profile of patients undergoing aesthetic rhinoplasty in Stockholm. Aesthetic Plast Surg. May-Jun 1997;21(3):139-145.
  2. Romo T, 3rd, Kwak ES, Sclafani AP. Revision rhinoplasty using porous high-density polyethylene implants to reestablish ethnic identity. Aesthetic Plast Surg. Nov-Dec 2006;30(6):679-684; discussion 685.
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So for what it's worth, let me just say that as a "Nordic sub-race" (not the Osterdal type, but similar), I am glad to be part of the club. I do believe, by and large, that Northern Europeans (men as well as women) have a tendency to be the most attractive overall. The women are extremely feminine and are classic examples of what the rest of the world tries to emmulate. Whether it be plastic surgery, non invasive cosmetic enhancements, etc., the "Europeanization" of cultures all over the world attests to this. Why is it so wrong for someone with North European blood and ancestry to express pride in this. I can attest also, that it is not just my beloved blue eyed, blond acquaintances that comment on my beauty, but men of other races as well. Bash Emily all day long, but that does not mean that she's not speaking the truth. And I implore anyone who dares say that the indigenous peoples of Europe deserve to die out, than shame on you. If anyone were talking those things about non-whites, the PC lynchmob would be up in arms. I'm proud of my light blue eyes, light golden hair, and creamy complexion, and wish to see carried on into further generations. What race wouldn't want that? It is N. Europeans who aren't allowed to say this, and that needs to stop, right here and now.

Peace, and keep setting the record straight Emily.............

link | Submitted by barberella on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 03:36.
the "Europeanization" of cultures all over the world attests to this.

The ''europeaization of cultures'' is not evidence of people wanting to look european. There are numerous reasons why cultures can/may end up ''europeanized'' and it is the reasons behinds this whering lies the the explanation/truth/answer to the rest. The europeanization of cultures i.e more freedom, freedom to choose ones partner etc...is not evidence of people wanting to look european. Personally through simple factual observation the way it looks to me is like this ''you win because you cheat''.

link | Submitted by barberella on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 03:36.
"The women are extremely feminine and are classic examples of what the rest of the world tries to emmulate."

Maybe a part of the world is but Not all the rest of the world is trying to emulate the looks of Northern europeans. There are plenty who try to emulate this ideal but on the other hand there are plenty of non-european women in the world who are feminine and are NOT and never have tried to emulate the looks of Northern europeans/europeans.

Thank you, barberella. That was a very nice and kind comment.

anonymous: say what you will, but I don't believe I spoke for ALL non-Europeans, but there are a vast majority who do. Just check out the "Tyra Banks on Honesty" thread for further discussion of this. Tyra even admits that her hair is a weave because her natural hair would not have been "marketable" in the industry (modeling) that she had pursued. She also interrogates the Korean American woman, who got eyelid surgery (to look less Asian, as the woman admitted), on the "real" reason that she got the surgery. That real reason was to be more European looking. The rate of plastic surgery in Asian countries, particularly Korea, is astronomical. I'm assuming that you are non-white, and are taking offense because a white woman dares to say that the looks of those of her race are beautiful and worth preserving. There are countless sites on the net proclaiming Asian, Latin, Black Beauty,etc. and those sites are considered perfectly fine. Well I happen to believe that N. Europeans are beautiful just as they are, but I'm not supposed to say this. Too bad.

Emily, you need not thank me. I am only speaking what I believe is to be the truth, and we just so happen to agree. I guess now that I'm here, the hate spewing will be directed toward me instead! (Smile) :) I admire your honesty, even if no one else does.

I posted some pics on the self-esteem section of some more "normal" Northern and North West Europeans, however, the display of them is rather confusing, bear with me....I think it is a good representation of some of the other N. European nationalities, i.e. Irish, Dutch, German, Danish and English. Hope you'll appreciate those:)

You know, the more I read through these threads, the more I see, EMILY'S AN IDIOT, EMILY'S A RACIST, etc. If the basis of one's arguments is ad hominem attacks, and straw men left and right, then I hardly see how any of you who hurl these insults are any better than she is. Find reasonable debates, backed up with some kind of intelligable argument. And lets not take this so damn seriously....

link | Submitted by Barberella on Fri, 07/31/2009 - 00:49.
anonymous: say what you will, but I don't believe I spoke for ALL non-Europeans, but there are a vast majority who do.

I am saying what I will. I never denied there are people who try to emulate the looks of Northern europeans. Emulating something proves one is trying to look like that thing they are trying to emulate but it doesnt prove or isnt prove of a relationship/linkage b
between that which is emulated to beauty. If you believe the link is beauty then that is what you must prove.I pointed out that NOT all non-european women emulate the looks of Northern europeans which is a fact.

"Just check out the "Tyra Banks on Honesty" thread for further discussion of this. Tyra even admits that her hair is a weave because her natural hair would not have been "marketable" in the industry (modeling) that she had pursued. She also interrogates the Korean American woman, who got eyelid surgery (to look less Asian, as the woman admitted), on the "real" reason that she got the surgery.That real reason was to be more European looking."

Wanting to look less ethnic and wanting to look specifically european/Northern european are two different things.

"Im assuming that you are non-white, and are taking offense because a white woman daresto say that the looks of those of her race are beautiful and worth preserving."

Never assume especially if your going to attribute false beliefs/feelins to people.I am non white-european.I have took no offence to anything though it appears that you
clearly have too offence and greatly wish that I would take offence as it would justify your statement "and are taking offense because a white woman daresto say that the looks of those of her race are beautiful and worth preserving" and hence are clearly trying to attribute things to me which I have never felt nor said.You can dare to say what you like dont let me stand in your way honey, and you can preserve the looks of your race all you like no ones has ever stopped you in the past, there not going to stop you now,but theres no point in telling me how you wish to preserve your northern european race. I am not northern european and hence have no interest in what you do to or with your race.

"There are countless sites on the net proclaiming Asian, Latin, Black Beauty,etc. and those sites are considered perfectly fine. Well I happen to believe that N. Europeans are beautiful just as they are, but I'm not supposed to say this. Too bad."

You believe "N. Europeans are beautiful just as they are" but your "not supposed to say this" but you've just said it. I dont have any interest in semantic games love. You can believe what you like you are free to hold onto your beliefs. You know who you find beautifull,I know who I find beautifull and it isnt the Northern Europeans/Europeans and I also know that I dont need/want your approval but it appears you want mine.

"Wanting to look less ethnic, and wanting to look specifically european/Northern European is two different things."

Are they, anonymous? That's utter foolishness. And what do you suppose looking "less ethnic" actually looks like? It looks European!! Are you serious?

If you have no interest in semantics games "love", then why did you make the remark about looking less ethnic is not looking more European, when you know they mean EXACTLY the same thing?

And hell no, I don't want nor need your approval. It's just that you, and the likes of you, are SO predictable, biting the bait as soon as a white person expresses pride in her nationality.

When you can conceptualize a counter-argument that is intelligable, I will be here....

Until then, gloss over my posts, as it is abundantly clear that you don't understand them.

And anonymous, if no offense was taken, why respond to either post? Obviously, something struck a nerve.....

"If you have no interest in semantics games "love", then why did you make the remark about looking less ethnic is not looking more European, when you know they mean EXACTLY the same thing?"

That is called responding to a comment thats not semantic games . I know what it means and I know it doesnt mean exactly the same thing so again dont attribute things to me that I dont believe, never have claimed to believe and dont attribute a thought process to me that I dont think and force me to percieve things the way you percieve them and want to percieve them. Wanting to look less ethnic is not the same as wanting to look specifically european.

"And hell no, I don't want nor need your approval. It's just that you, and the likes of you, are SO predictable, biting the bait as soon as a white person expresses pride in her nationality."

Listen to yourself going on Joker. Read my comments again what is with the likes of you that even if one can tells you a million times you they have nothing againt you freely expressing yourself and have pride in your race and preserve it you will still come back with "are SO predictable, biting the bait as soon as a white person expresses pride in her nationality". No one is bitiing the bait dear except you and if one was biting the bait then obviously its because you have put the bait out to be bitten and why would one do that because obviously somethings struck a nerve with you.

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sat, 08/01/2009 - 01:08.

"And anonymous, if no offense was taken, why respond to either post? Obviously, something struck a nerve...."

So the evidence you present for "Obviously, something struck a nerve...." is "anonymous, if no offense was taken, why respond to either post?" what a joker. I responded because you were attributing things to me that were not true, am I not allowed to correct false allegations? There you go again attributing things to me that I have never felt, Nothing you say or argue has struck a nerve with me but something is clearly biting your ass and something has clearly struck a nerve with you, something you obviously dont like. I know exactly what it is. LOL.

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sat, 08/01/2009 - 01:00.

"And hell no, I don't want nor need your approval. It's just that you, and the likes of you, are SO predictable, biting the bait as soon as a white person expresses pride in her nationality."

How exactly have I bitten the bait when youve expressed pride in your nationality/race, what bait is to be bitten? when if you were an intelligent reader you would have read and understood that I clearly expressed no dissatisfaction at your having pride in your race/nationality "You can believe what you like you are free to hold onto your beliefs" is what I wrote. Dont tell me you understand what that means?. Wise up Joker that game wont work anymore. For all the "white people" you harp on about europeans have never been and never will be known as the whitest people in the world.LOL.

"Are they, anonymous? That's utter foolishness"
Oh please wise up you drama queen.

"And anonymous, if no offense was taken, why respond to either post? Obviously, something struck a nerve."

I was responding to a comment and your evidence for something supposedly having "struck a nerve" and "offence taken" is " "anonymous, if no offense was taken, why respond to either post? Obviously, something struck a nerve" Ive answered both. Nothing has struck a nerve with me but I know something has clearly struck a nerve with you and I know what it is too.LOL. Tata.

"How exactly have I bitten the bait when youve expressed pride in your nationality/race, what bait is to be bitten?"

Barberella is right. As soon as a white person expresses pride in their race/achievements/looks it is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. You immediately get attacked for it, aggressively. I have seen the very same thing many times. It is something whites notice often. There are unacceptable different standards for us than for others.

Black pride...great.

Asian pride...excellent.

Latin pride...cool.

White pride....................................huh? Racist!

Emily:

I like your other personality Barbella better:)

and I agree white people get called racist if they have any pride. But I think pride is stupid anyways. Everyone needs to have pride in who they are and what they are, but people shouldn't take it to the extreme. I have racists in my family actually, but I'm not one. And don't even talk about gay rights to my parents, they are extremely anti-gay,while I could care less what people do with eachother.

srry not Barbella Barberella. She is much nicer and understanding and mature

Sorry Barberella if you are really not Emily. I don't think you and her have anything in common, except your writing style. Again, I don't think you are anything like Emily. You are mature, you try to see other points of view and keep an open mind, and you stick to your opinions and points in a respectful manner. Unlike Emily and sometimes even me LOL

But, your writing style is sooo similar, it is driving me crazy. I don't know if it is a Swedish thing, or if Emily is playing two people, which doesn't make sense. However, I SWEAR your writing styles are soo similar its scary.

This comes a little late in the discussion, and I'm referring to the pics that Emily posted of "typical" Swedes, I believe them to be true. Whenever my father travels to Europe on business, he always makes a stop in Stockholm, as it's his favorite European city, along with Dublin, Ireland. He has shown me pics of the city, always with pretty girls in the fore, or background. Anyone who's been to Stockholm would say the same.

Comparing Caroline Winberg to Gemma Ward is a joke. Gemma looks like a space alien compared to her. If any of you have actually been reading this site, which I seriously doubt, it has been observed that high fashion models, ones's comparable to Carloline, tend to have a lot more definite i.e. masculine features. Saying that Caroline looks like most Swedish women is like saying that Ashwairya Rai looks like most Indians. The only difference being that Carloline has a kind of beauty that is comparable to the general Swedish population. The general population in India, however, has women that look drasticly different than Ashwairya, meaning that A. Rai is the exception rather than the rule. The beauty of Caroline, is typical of the beauty that you would see every day in Northern/North Western Europe.

Hope this clarifys. Caroline's features are exagerated, as are most fashion models, this is why they are sought out by modeling agencies. Caroline is beautiful nonetheless, and Gemma can't even compare to her.

People please! I am an American hairdresser from the Great Lakes area. That's as specific as I'll get. Emily is a Swede, from, duh! Sweden. We are not, the same. We may have similar opinions on a great many topics, but no, not the same. Is every detractor here, every last person who bashes Erik and Emily the same person? Doubtful. I don't know about you, Emily, but I find this hilarious!

Anyway, I don't understand why people cannot accept that there might be more than one person on this site who happen to care about the same issues. There are hundreds of people who post here, opposing our views, right? Or maybe you are all the same? It does sound absurd, now doesn't it?

Anonymous, if all you can do is call me and Emily "Joker", than post unintelligible gibberish that I absolutely cannot understand, than just stop, honestly, I really can barely understand your posts. If English isn't your first language, than learn it. It's not Emily's either, but her posts are more coherrant than most peoples. Drama queen....that's cute.

Btw Godis, no not Emily, I promise. I answered another post of yours on the Miranda/broad nosed topic, and I think that you'll have no problem discerning that I am not Emily.

And I personally think that Emily writes way better than I do. As you can see it's late here, tonsilectomy's suck, let me tell you, as I am normally trying to sleep at this time....

And once again anonymous, you felt the need to respond to each and every one of my posts, never making any valid points (or at least none that I could decipher..), and resorting to name calling. Who's the real drama queen here, huh, Joker?

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 03:35.

''Anonymous, if all you can do is call me and Emily "Joker"''

If the cap fits then you should wear it and it sure fits you.

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 04:07.

''And I personally think that Emily writes way better than I do. As you can see it's late here, tonsilectomy's suck, let me tell you, as I am normally trying to sleep at this time....

And once again anonymous, you felt the need to respond to each and every one of my posts, never making any valid points (or at least none that I could decipher..), and resorting to name calling. Who's the real drama queen here, huh, Joker?''

You got one thing right about yourself and thats signing yourself off as 'Joker' because thats exactly what you are a 'Joker'! So yeah the 'Joker' is the real drama queen here and wake up the 'Joker' is you! :-)

Tata

link | Submitted by Emily on Sat, 08/01/2009 - 11:21.

"How exactly have I bitten the bait when youve expressed pride in your nationality/race, what bait is to be bitten?"

''Barberella is right. As soon as a white person expresses pride in their race/achievementslooks it is like waving a red flag in front of a bull''

One of your classic tricks again creating scenarios out of thin air and imposing them onto peoples minds as factual reality. No one with common sense would wave a red flag in front of a bull without first acknowledging there asking for it unless ofcourse there you....LOL

Wake up joker smell the coffee!!!

link | Submitted by Emily on Sat, 08/01/2009 - 11:21.

''Black pride...great.

Asian pride...excellent.

Latin pride...cool.

White pride....................................huh? Racist!''

Start acknowledging and accepting that a non-euruopean has no reason to be interested in the genetic preservation of the white european race for the simple reason there not of that race and not slyly use there disinterest against them in a distasteful manner. Why do you desperately expect them to show an interest in the genetic preservation of a race they dont belong to? Hidden agenda? Start acknowledging and accepting when non-europeans say they have NO problem with the genetic preservation of the white european race as just that that they have no problem with the genetic preservation of the white european race and leave it at that. For Gods sake grow up.

Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose 08/01/2009 - 11:21

by Emily link

''Barberella is right. As soon as a white person expresses pride in their race/achievements/looks it is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. You immediately get attacked for it, aggressively. I have seen the very same thing many times. It is something whites notice often. There are unacceptable different standards for us than for others''

Ranting and Raving non-stop at people about how non-europeans are against ''white pride''no one is going to think your doing it because you want to genetically preserve your race but they are going to think there is clearly something wrong with you.

Barberella, it's no use responding to these people because they are simply baiting you. It's funny, I see it more clearly now when it is happening to someone else.

These people who probably have noses the size of a large pizza plate come to a blog named "Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose." LOL

Why do you think they check this thread? Because they love their fine, huge black noses? Hardly. They are envious and hateful. They try to conceal it but it's not nearly working.

Listen, the truth is that these people would do anything to destroy the very thing they envy and can't be.

White people should take note of the comments made in this thread and stick to their own people. Do not race mix with people who want your destruction!

The only true thing the black one wrote here is;

"Start acknowledging and accepting that a non-euruopean has no reason to be interested in the genetic preservation of the white european race for the simple reason there not of that race"

THAT should be an eye-opener even to the most naive.

Unless you yourself is part of a race you don't care what happens to it!? What a nice attitude, and how unselfish.

They should say that in the UN the next time they want our help in some godforsaken African country.

"We're not blacks, what do we care if you die out of AIDS, Malaria and starvation..bye, bye, nice knowing you!"

That's your attitude, so why not make it ours. Or, you count on us being bigger persons than you?

My question is, why should whites care about blacks or asians since they clearly don't give a dmn about us? Wake up, people.

Very true, Emily. They don't care. I wonder what the motivation is of the one "non-European", who reads this thread, and then tries to bait those that truly have what they don't have,but obviously covet. At least not without plastic surgery. As far as the "Joker" bait, better to be the Joker, than the joke itself.

Living here in the US, I can tell you that I am so sick of the "White Guilt" that we (Whites) are supposed to have, when the minorities are more rascist than ANY white person that I know. Well, I'm guilt free, thank you very much.

I know that you've been putting up with this for a while, and I don't understand why people whom this website is obviously not catering to continue to visit it, and insult those of us who are honest in our convictions. Again, no White guilt. I will not try to sympathize with people who have such an obvious hatred and envy of whites. It's as though they thrive on arguing these non-issues. It is unproductive and meaningless.

Yes, I do realize that there is beauty and goodness in all cultures, races, ethnicities,etc. I see nothing wrong with having the continued hope that there will still be distinguishable races, not one muddled race. The minorities are not really minorities, are they? They don't have to wonder, like you and I do, if our traits, culture, customs and way of life will disappear. That is why they don't care. They will still maintain their double standard and hail "RASCISM", each and every time.

Respectfully,
Barberella (Veronicka)

Non-whites are genetic cannibals.

Through race-mixing they consume us genetically, and many whites let it happen since they are so brainwashed by the modern multiculturalistic, one-race/one-world poison, whos only true purpuse is the annihilation of one group of people.

Genetic cannibalism is a win-win situation for non-whites.

They ethnically cleanse whites and at the same time gain genetically and physically. They become more intelligent and beautiful thanks to our destruction.

The very thing they hate and wouldn't mind destroying is also the very thing they exploit and feed from.

Heidi Klum with her two biological sons.

"Start acknowledging and accepting that a non-euruopean has no reason to be interested in the genetic preservation of the white european race for the simple reason there not of that race"

Non-white person on the issue of racial preservation.

Whites should throw non-whites out of white countries and leave non-whites to fend for themselves, instead of counting on our help all the time. Close and guard the borders. These people are our enemies and should be treated as such.

I agree, the limitless borders of the US has allowed this to happen, more and more, every year. Non-white immigrants (mostly illegal), literally suck our welfare system dry, and spread crime and poverty. I live in a suburb of a large midwest city (on the Great Lakes), and have noticed that even the "suburbs" aren't safe anymoe. HUD wants to continue building projects, to contain the ever increasing amount "low income" (by choice) "minorities" while pushing the hard working class further and further away from the cities that WE founded, in a country that WE (Europeans) founded. Their endless tirades of how unfairly they're treated by whites is enough to make me feel nauseated. They can bitch about whites all day long, but have no problem taking advantage of all the FREE money, food and housing that WE offer them.

Your pics of Heidi proves something else: Heidi is all but disappeared from the genetic profile of her sons. Where has she gone? Unfortunately, the "white guilt" says, "well, what's the problem? We are all one!" I'm not buying it. Non-whites generally don't want to befriend or date whites because of their "fondness" for us. They wish to exploit us.

Blacks, Puerto Ricans, etc. like to hit on White women, we have a lovliness that has fascinated them for eons. But most white women I know, who date outside their race, realize this, but because of poor self-esteem on their part, don't mind being someone else's status symbol. It's sad.

Barberella (Veronicka)

Thank you once again, Emily, for having the courage and the fortitude to speak the truth.

of course the Nordic nose is the perfect nose

link | Submitted by Emily on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 18:02.
"Barberella, it's no use responding to these people because they are simply baiting you. It's funny, I see it more clearly now when it is happening to someone else"

Ofcourse no use responding to something you wholeheartedly agree with....LOL

"These people who probably have noses the size of a large pizza plate come to a blog named "Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose." LOL

Why do you think they check this thread? Because they love their fine, huge black noses? Hardly. They are envious and hateful. They try to conceal it but it's not nearly working"

So the argument is no one is allowed to not be enamoured/swept away by fine features because its not humanly possible its against nature and if they do feel such a way its not what they really feel there only secretly trying to "conceal it but it's not nearly working" as no other truth other than this one is humanly possible. It wasnt without good reason even Erik Holland noted your pettiness. Now I know I really am dealing with a bunch of JOKERS!

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 23:59.
"Very true, Emily. They don't care. I wonder what the motivation is of the one "non-European", who reads this thread, and then tries to bait those that truly have what they don't have,but obviously covet. At least not without plastic surgery. As far as the "Joker" bait, better to be the Joker, than the joke itself."

You'v made the correct choice its better for you to be known as the "Joker, than the joke itself" because understandably you dont want to be known as the "joke" because a "joke" wouldnt know there a "joke" thats the reason there a "joke" because there a "joke" and thats the reason your a "joke" ooops sorry I mean a "Joker". Tata.

link | Submitted by Emily on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 18:02.
"Barberella, it's no use responding to these people because they are simply baiting you. It's funny, I see it more clearly now when it is happening to someone else"

No one smart enough needs to put the bait out to either of you when your openly advertising yourself as both 'bait' and 'baited'. In other words there is no need for anyone to do either job not when your busy doing it for them LOL.

link | Submitted by Emily on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 18:02.

"The only true thing the black one wrote here is;"

your far off the mark there.... and your talking about others trying to 'bait' you....LOL Your funny!!!

link | Submitted by Emily on Sun, 08/02/2009 - 18:02.

"These people who probably have noses the size of a large pizza plate come to a blog named "Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose." LOL

Why do you think they check this thread? Because they love their fine, huge black noses? Hardly. They are envious and hateful. They try to conceal it but it's not nearly working."

Not everyone with "noses the size of a large pizza plate" need be envious of the thin straw stick "fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose." when you've got nordics who themselves who are....

Does Miranda Kerr have a broad nose or am I biased?
link | Submitted by Erin on Thu, 12/25/2008 - 02:58.
Well, my nose is too thin. It is the typical nordic nose and I hate it. It's long, straight, thin and so boring. I would rather have a cute dainty nose. So a little wider and shorter which would make my eyes spaced out better too. See her nose is broad but her eyes are spaced nicely, I want that. Is there any plastic surgery that can do that?

by anonymous link

"Youv made the correct choice,it's better for you to be known as the 'Joker than the joke itself' because uderstandably you don't want to be known as the 'joke' because a 'joke' woudn't know there a 'joke' thats the reason your a joke, I mean Joker oops"

Is it just me, or does anonymous sound like someone whom gets weekend passes from the asylum? The amount of gibberish you speak is astonishing. Your posts are unintelligable. I not only doubt that you speak English, I doubt that you have an IQ over 75. The "joke", or "Joker" would be the one who sounds like they cannot speak and express themselves clearly, which is why I laugh every time you say "joker". It sounds so dumb, yes anonymous YOU ARE DUMB, AND NO ONE UNDERSTANDS YOU. You can keep calling me joker, I know it makes you feel smart and clever, but you're not smart and clever, which is why I called YOU a joke. You still obviously don't get it, it is still preferable to be seen as, ahem, "Joker", since you obviously don't know many other words, than to be THE JOKE, THAT YOU ARE. But of course, somone as dumb as yourself, wouldn't be able to grasp that, so I don't expect you to, honey, lets just hope that you get better and find some new vocabulary words.

Sincerely, JOKER
(Barberella)

Though some of the comments that I've just re-read are months old, the ignorance astounds me. Saying that no Nordic women have ever become as accomplished as Ashwairya Rai have obviously never heard of Greta Garbo, Ann-Margret, Michelle Pfeiffer, Kim Bassinger, Lena Olin, Renee Zellweger, Melanie Griffith, Naomi Watts, Nicole Kidman, Uma Thurman, and countless other "nobodies".

Nordic women are known as being some of the best-aging women in the world, as most of the women (living) that I've mentioned are in their 30's and 40's, some are even in their 50's (Michelle and Kim). I'm sure that they'd be accused of plastic surgery, but that's rarely the case. My mother, whose family descnds from the Jutland peninsula, is in her late 50's, and can fool people into thinking she's in her early forties, easily, and all she does is use Oil of Olay! (the Jutland peninsula is Northern Germany, the Netherlands, and mainly Denmark.)

Charlize Theron is South African, where most of the whites are of Dutch origin, Dutch being "very" Nordic, although not technically Scandinavian.

Britney Spears is from Louisiana, where "most people of her home state are English"...has anyone ever heard of the "Louisiana Purchase"? It means that most Louisianans are FRENCH, the largest French community in the US.

I could go on and on...and I know that a lot of these comments are months old, so writing this was in effect a waste of time, but when people twist the truth to suit themselves, it negates the entire point that they are trying to make.

I have to correct myself, as when I posted last night, I misspoke of my mom's ancestry, her family is from the Jutland peninsula which is Northern Germany and Denmark, and is ALSO from the Netherlands, I did not mean to imply that the Netherlands was on the Jutland Peninsula!! I realized after I posted it, how it appeared, and I felt the need to make the clarification.

link | Submitted by Barberella on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:36.

''Is it just me, or does anonymous sound like someone whom gets weekend passes from the asylum?''

Ouch did I touch a raw nerve LOL. Yeah its just you at the asylum nothing to worry about. One only need to read your comments and theres no doubt who admits defeat! Abusing people is an indirect way of admitting defeat but dont tell me you didnt know that either.

''The "joke", or "Joker" would be the one who sounds like they cannot speak and express themselves clearly''

Yeah I agree and thats why your not only the Joker but the Joke too :-)

''which is why I laugh every time you say "joker"''

Yeah I forgive you for laughing at yourself you've got to laugh at the JOKE you are because if you cant laugh at the JOKE you know you are then what can you laugh at?

''You can keep calling me joker, I know it makes you feel smart and clever, but you're not smart and clever, which is why I called YOU a joke.''

Thanks for your permission you obviously accept the cap fits you and are keen to wear it so dont let me stand in your way. I dont accept Im smart but I know Im alot smarter than you. The Joke will never know there a joke and thats how your a Joke.

''You still obviously don't get it, it is still preferable to be seen as, ahem, "Joker", since you obviously don't know many other words, than to be THE JOKE, THAT YOU ARE''

Ive pretty much answered this and everything else too "Youv made the correct choice,it's better for you to be known as the 'Joker than the joke itself' because uderstandably you don't want to be known as the 'joke' because a 'joke' woudn't know there a 'joke' thats the reason your a joke, I mean Joker oops"

''Sincerely, JOKER''
(Barberella)

You got this last bit right about yourself again.

Now stop bothering me with your rubbish. Tata!

link | Submitted by Barberella on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:36.
"You still obviously don't get it, it is still preferable to be seen as, ahem, "Joker", since you obviously don't know many other words, than to be THE JOKE, THAT YOU ARE."

You dont have to proclaim loud and clear the "Joke" that you are by doing that your not going to stop being the "Joke" that you are!

The Levantine (Dinaric) man pictured in number 5 (Syrian, Lebanese) has what would be considered in India "classic handsomeness".

We Indians have traditionally found the long, prominant and even slightly hooked nose to be considered "regal, aristocratic" and "distinguished". Such a nose was often described in our ancient and medieval poetry, and even now.

That is our aesthetic.

Unfortunately, not many Indian men have that type of nose, nor am I blessed with the nose of Aiswarya.

But there are enough of us that do (Punjabis) to keep the fetish going.

We also have a thing for thick, dark, but well-shaped eyebrows.

anonymous, I find it funny that you just can't leave this alone!LOL...Every time you see something I post you just have to respond, it's like throwing a dog a ball. Run, anonymous, go fetch!!!HaHaHaHa

You don't bother me, but it seems I bother you, as soon as I express my opinion, here you are......

You and your "rubbish", that's barely readable...

Have a nice life, and no, you're still unable to make sense.

Why does someone like yourself, with such an intense dislike of White women who express their pride come, to a site that clearly focuses mainly on women who look like me, and NOT YOU...

You need not respond, really, what you think, will never matter to me, and your looks are not the topic here, mine are, and maybe that's what's got you so angry? Don't know, don't care either.

link | Submitted by Barberella on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 23:34.

"anonymous, I find it funny that you just can't leave this alone!LOL...Every time you see something I post you just have to respond, it's like throwing a dog a ball. Run, anonymous, go fetch!!!HaHaHaHa"

There is no logical/valid reason for me to fetch that which was always in my hand LOL. Im ecstatic to hear the above is the way you see everything as thats EXACTLY how you should be seeing it and exactly how I WANT you to be seeing it as at least Im confident in the knowledege that I know Im on the ball but where are you??? your far far off the mark sister...sorry I mean Joker! SO er you wanna play catch? LOL. What a Joker!

"You and your "rubbish", that's barely readable...

Have a nice life, and no, you're still unable to make sense."

For all the "unable to make sense rubbish" that was still worth responding to it says alot about you...

"Why does someone like yourself, with such an intense dislike of White women who express their pride come, to a site that clearly focuses mainly on women who look like me, and NOT YOU..."

If thats the impression/feeling you get and how you wanna see things feel welcome Im not under any obligation to prove otherwise nor offer explainations to you why I come to the site but im glad your getting the message. An interest in beauty does not put me under an automatic obligation to be enamoured and blown away by european looks which cearly by now you have probably gathered im not. You dont need to point out to me what the site is about and what it focuses on "to a site that clearly focuses mainly on women who look like me, and NOT YOU..." I have never made any claims to the contrary love. There is nothing that states non-europeans are not welcome to browse the site so unless you can offer me evidence to the contrary you are welcome to enjoy making a fool of yourself.

"You need not respond, really, what you think, will never matter to me, and your looks are not the topic here, mine are, and maybe that's what's got you so angry?

I can respond to what I like you are not anyone to stop me. If what I think will never matter to you then the question is what are you/have you been wasting your time responding to me for? Nothing better to do with your time Love?If anyone in that case need not respond it is you so LETS SEE IT.

"Don't know, don't care either."

I agree you cant care about what you dont know by virtue of the fact you dont know it.

Tata!

"Look at this collage, featuring upper caste Hindus, presumably from the Northern regions, and specifically note the ethnic characteristics. In this collage, all people shown are ordinary Indians, not models or actors. The images are not supposed to be representative, but my point will become clear shortly. These Indians will be found to be among the better looking ordinary Indians by Indians in general because their face shapes are closer to European norms and also because their skin is lighter, on average. These Indians will also be found to be among the better looking ordinary Indians by Swedes because their face shapes are closer to European norms – skin color will usually not be an issue for Swedes or Europeans in general"............
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Erik, how do you know that is a collage of upper caste Hindus? Did the site you got it from say that?

Also, that collage does not represent what Indians would think is "good looking". As an Indian I know. We have very high standards of beauty because we have really beautiful people amongst us. I assure you that none of the men in that collage represent what an average Indian woman would consider "handsome" or what an average Indian man would aspire to look like. Although maybe non-Indians would find them attractive - I can't speak for them.

As far as Aishwarya, there are many women in India who have her face shape. She is a beautiful woman, but who can say she is the most beautiful in the world? We would have to see ALL the women in the world first and then decide.

link | Submitted by A Perfect 10 on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 11:48.

Erik, how do you know that is a collage of upper caste Hindus? Did the site you got it from say that?

Also, that collage does not represent what Indians would think is "good looking". As an Indian I know. We have very high standards of beauty because we have really beautiful people amongst us. I assure you that none of the men in that collage represent what an average Indian woman would consider "handsome" or what an average Indian man would aspire to look like. Although maybe non-Indians would find them attractive - I can't speak for them.

The fact is it is Northern Indians who are admired for there beauty not the south indians and northern kashmiris fall under North india. It is the majority judgement that matters not the minority. Erik has pointed out that the upper caste hindus are admired on three accounts by the indians which are there light skin, face shapes are closer to European norms and there ethnic characteristics.

Alot of hate being spewed out by username "Emily".
Theres beauty and femininity in all races.
Personally i don't find scandinavians noses at all attractive.They're too short,stubby,sometimes piggish like and give a "snobby" look.
Apart from that many of their overall faces are attractive.

Turkish miss world 2002 has a real classic feminine beauty:
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The older style indian actresses who i think are much prettier then the ones now who put on a "seductive" image
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Prior Miss Bosnia:Sanja Tunjic:
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Beautiful feminine Chinese actresses:
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Janet Jackson:
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Rhianna:
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Very beautiful Olivia Hussey-i think portugese and english
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"Alot of hate being spewed out by username "Emily"."

Why do you lie? I don't "hate" anyone. I don't hate people because they are not as beautiful as Nordic women. How silly would that be? It doesn't make sense. It would make more "sense" for people who are less attractive to have an immature reason to "hate" and envy when they are not up to standard..so I think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. :)

Your photos confirm this. The women in the photos are average, ordinary. There is nothing particularly beautiful about them. Another personal attack in other words by someone who posts photos of women who clearly are not up to the North European standard of beauty.

"The fact is it is Northern Indians who are admired for there beauty not the south indians and northern kashmiris fall under North india. It is the majority judgement that matters not the minority. Erik has pointed out that the upper caste hindus are admired on three accounts by the indians which are there light skin, face shapes are closer to European norms and there ethnic characteristics."

I don't know who you are. My question was to Erik. Why did he refer to the pics in the collage as belonging to A.) Hindus B.) Upper Caste C.) North Indians.

Unless the collage and the people pictured specifically stated all three, there is no reason to assume they are any of the three.

Indian people DO NOT have "European" features. He have South Asian features. Whoever said Aiswarya Rai has "Nordic features" is an un-travelled and un-educated laughing stock of a human being. Aiswarya's features are very typically Indian. If any Nord has her features, then if anything, it perhaps can be said that such a Nord has "Indian features".

To Emily-All of the women i posted are feminine and beautiful.
Rhianna's look i don't like but shes still feminine looking and Janet Jackson has a strong facial structure but still has feminine features.Even Michael her brother had somewhat feminine features so i don't know if it is genetic or due to their upbringing.
Anyone that considers the women in the photos that i posted ordinary,average must either be dishonest or beautiful beyond measure.
My comment about hate being spewed out was not an attack on your looks-which i obviously don't know you or havn't seen,nor was it coming from hate,envy,or attack on Nordic women's looks.It had nothing to do with your nationality-which i assume is Scandinavian background? nor with the womens photos that you posted-which i agree that some are beautiful-but it was about the way you respond to peoples comments.Some of the comments that i saw appeared to not just be stating your view but almost seemed to border on "white supremacy"/feelings of superiority.
Everyones going to have personal preferences but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are right and we need to be humble and accept that and that people find beauty in different things.
For example i am south slavic background and i find south slavs and people from ex USSR most attractive but that doesn't necessarily mean that i am correct and that everyone will agree-its just my view not a universal 100% proven fact.

I also think there is beauty in many nationalities including scandinavian women who in many case have beautiful fine facial structure.
I also think strong bone structure can look good too-its just another type of beauty.
Also its not fair or honest to say that asians all appear a certain way or androgynous as asians all appear different depending on the country:for example an malaysian woman is not going to look the same as chinese and philipino's again look different because of their background.
Theres some chinese and korean women that look very pretty and feminine.
Miss Finland 2004 is very beautiful
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Miss Peru, Maria Julia
miss peru

Thai Miss world Apasara Hongsakula
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Beautiful Russian woman 1
beautiful russian woman

Beautiful Russian woman 2
russian model

Beautiful Finnish Woman
very beautiful finnish woman

Miss Croatia:Ivana Vasilj
ivana vasilj miss croatia
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Vietnamese beauty
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Vesna Krizan Miss Slavonija
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link | Submitted by A Perfect 10 on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 15:27.

''I don't know who you are. My question was to Erik. Why did he refer to the pics in the collage as belonging to A.) Hindus B.) Upper Caste C.) North Indians.

Unless the collage and the people pictured specifically stated all three, there is no reason to assume they are any of the three.

Indian people DO NOT have "European" features. He have South Asian features. Whoever said Aiswarya Rai has "Nordic features" is an un-travelled and un-educated laughing stock of a human being. Aiswarya's features are very typically Indian. If any Nord has her features, then if anything, it perhaps can be said that such a Nord has "Indian features".''

Lets hope he answers it for you then. If youv read the site enough you should get the answers to the rest of your questions too.

Can't anyone simply say, honestly, what it attractive to them, without exercising the immense ego required to commit the fallacy of then presuming their preferences to also be that of anyone that's sane?

This coming from quite an egoist, mind you.

Saerain-I agree

Are you even scandinavian yourself? your name is not very scandinavian btw. i i would know. and btw i dont think you have ever been to scandinavia. trust me i would know what a scandinavian/nordic look like. And i find us to be more masculine then our southern neighbours. We are taller. not very feminine. bigger bones. thinner lips. broader noses. thinner hair, lower eyebrows and the list goes on and on. Im not saying that nordic people are not beautiful because they are but alot of nordic women wish they looked more latin or whatever.

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In a sense I am slowly starting to see that many times Latin women can be just as feminine or more feminine than Nordic women. But I don't agree that Scandinavian women are as masculine as you make them sound on average. Actually Scandinavian women are more feminine than women of most other ethnicities on average. The problem is they are not as feminine as Emily claims them to be. Nor are they REALLY the most attractive women on the planet. You know what makes a Scandinavian woman attractive?

1)Slender tall build. Believe it or not height can be attractive on women. Although shorter women tend to be more feminine, tall women have an elegance to them that is harder to achieve by short women. I always envied taller women, although my height does make me feel delicate(when I'm in shape) and feminine especially around guys.

2) Attractive coloring such as light blonde-light brown hair(except for that weird yellow color that occurs naturally on some), blue eyes, and pink or tan(because they tan A LOT there I hear) skin. I personally don't like skin that is literally pink, but most people do. Especially males. I can see how rosy colors are attractive to males. After all the color pink has always been associated with females...I rest my case that warm colors are the colors that appear more feminine and not cool colors. Although cool colors will always add interest especially paired with warm colors. Often times, this is better than just having "feminine" coloring...it adds so much more to a woman's beauty...

3)Good diet. A good diet will make everything nice. And not only do Scandinavian women have nice skin due to a good diet, they are in shape. Often these days it seems being in shape is even more important than having a feminine figure. I see it all the time.

4)Makeup, hair dye, and nice clothes. Look at Emily's photos. Rarely will you see a woman without makeup, nice clothes, and dyed hair.

5) Good education, wealth. An educated and wealthy person won't be working in the factory or worrying about paying the bills. Remember ladies, worrying and stress will cause wrinkles, and in general will make you look like crap. If you look at the photos Emily posts of attractive Swedes, they all obviously are at least average to above average in the money area.

6) Fine features. Generally, Scandinavian women have fine features. However, as Emily posts more and more photos I question this. Often times I see noses that are small but are slightly robust, cheekbones that are quite large and often high, and strong jaws. But I still believe that Scandinavian countries have a higher frequency of fine features compared to any other European countries besides Germany, Ireland, and various non-Scandinavian but Nordic countries.

This leads me to my next argument. I have argued with Emily about this robustity I see in Swedish women in the photos she posts. She accuses me of trying to portray a "Romanian" nose as more attractive than a Swedish one. This is not true. And I prefer to leave the Romanian nose out of this. I have agreed that Romanians do not have more attractive noses than Swedes on average, so the fact that she has to constantly make fun of Romanian noses puzzles me. It is supposed to be a poke at me(which doesn't do much considering I am satisfied with my nose in general as are other people a.k.a. all the men including pure Nordic ones who have found me attractive) and generally irrelevant to an argument. So, although I feel I am stating the obvious I will continue this argument on here because I feel the rhinoplasty section is more relevant. I also am going to show Emily how Swedish noses are far from ideal on many occasions. This time I will not be comparing them to more elegant bumpy/hooked noses, but I will compare them to straight noses so Emily cannot say I am trying to prove anything. The only reason I have not done this before was because I believe it is obvious, while it is not obvious for bumpy/hooked noses. In fact I will compare your photos of attractive Swedish women and fine noses to photos of PRIMARILY Nordic women.So here goes:

Alicia Silverstone

Alicia Silverstone Pictures, Images and Photos

alicia silverstone Pictures, Images and Photos

Melissa Joan Heart:

Sabrina the teenage witch Pictures, Images and Photos

Melissa Joan Heart Pictures, Images and Photos

Julianne Hough ~ Clove Pictures, Images and Photos

Julianne Hough Pictures, Images and Photos

Liv Tyler

Lord of the Rings Pictures, Images and Photos

Arwen form Lord of the Rings Pictures, Images and Photos

Evangeline Lily (love that name btw!)

Evangeline Lilly Pictures, Images and Photos

evangeline lilly Pictures, Images and Photos

Mackenzie Rosman:

Mackenzie Rosman (Ruthie) Pictures, Images and Photos

Mackenzie Rosman Pictures, Images and Photos

Natalie Portman

Natalie Portman Pictures, Images and Photos

natalie Pictures, Images and Photos

Megan Fox:

Pretty! Pictures, Images and Photos

foxxxy Pictures, Images and Photos

Randoms with romantic elegant noses:

(Asian woman with features shifted towards European norms)
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From this section on Eriks site(highly doubt this woman is Scandinavian):

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Another girl from Eriks site:

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Now compare to YOUR photos:

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( I can see how this one may not count as she is very masculinized, but you posted the photo of her trying to prove "fine" features)

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Do you see the difference? Despite the fact that the noses of the women I posted above are generally longer and less upturned, the nasal bridge is thinner and more refined. In the majority of the photos you post of Swedes, the nose has a certain thickness or strength to the bridge that makes it appear more robust. Sometimes the bridge isn't even thick, but it is the way the cartilage sticks out or portrudes at the bridge. I can't quite explain it, but I am sure MOST people can see the difference. A tiny nose doesn't always mean a more delicate less robust nose.

Now you seriously want to compare THIS nose to the one I posted?

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Do you in all HONESTY not see the difference? It is obvious. The nose of the Swedish girl you posted is dramatically different than the Latin woman's or Ekaterina's nose. Simple as that. That Swedish nose is pretty robust, while the photos of the noses I posted up have bumps or humps, they are not robust in general and not even close to the robustity of many of the photos you post up of Swedish women.

On another note I would like to adress the reoccuring issue regarding Kay Francis' nose. Why can't you understand that I am referring to one specific photo? I don't care how Kay Francis' nose looks. In that specific photo her nose matches my description. It wouldn't matter even if it were photoshopped. I am not referring to Kay Francis' nose in general, just her nose in that specific photograph. I have only posted that photograph of Kay Francis. I have stated this over and over. Why can't you understand? It is simple. You post photos of Kay Francis' nose and it is not relevant to anything unless it is the photo I was referring to, which it never is.

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I also don't understand why you always look at the beauty of a people as a whole rather than the beauty of an individual. If a man has to choose between an Asian woman that is more feminine than a Swedish woman, which one will he most likely choose? The Asian one, despite the fact that the people of her race are less attractive on average. Why? Because he is not choosing the whole race, he is choosing the individual.

Which one would you choose?

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I rest my case.

Here are a few photos of pretty FEMININE faces you posted with nose far from robust:

This girl is really pretty.

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This girl too:

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Hm..only professional studio photos? Are we getting desperate? :)

Look, no matter how desperately you want it to be true the Swedish noses are not in any way more robust than the other noses you showed. If anything the Swedish girls had smaller noses on average. Have you any idea how weird you look right now? The only thing you havemade a case for is that Swedes look lovely and have pretty noses. The Swedish girls actually often look prettier and more feminine in spite of their candid photos.

The usual studio photos of half-asian models (using the usual 500 watt bulbs) who all have had more or less extensive plastic surgery..really. The typical asian nose has a nose bridge that is underdeveloped, sunken. Hardly appealing, I think.

Typical Indian noses, not on a plastic surgery altered model/movie star under a 500 watt bulb.

Typical Romanian noses.

You can repost the same photo of Kay Francis as many times as you like. Each time you do that I will show what an unattractive, large, unfeminine and robust nose she has and point out that you know that. And then you think Swedish girls' noses are robust?? Jesus, can you get any more deluded. Your bias is clouding your judgement. Do you even realize what you say?

Kay Francis, the truth godis, a biased Romanian woman who likes to argue that Romanian large, gypsy-influenced noses are more elegant and refined than Nordic noses, doesn't show;

You insist on using Ekaterina's over-sized and unattractive nose as an example of an elegant nose even if her nose truly is robust in comparison to the fine and delicate Swedish noses. I think it almost looks broken, or like a bird's beak.

Elegance, according to godis;

This Swedish girl on the left has the same kind of nose you find elegant, yet you ignore her and others with the same type of nose just because you cannot stand Scandinavians. That jealousy of yours (you know you said you are a jealous person, right?) isn't working for you right now, is it?

And this girl on the left has that type of elegant nose, yet you ignore her and others who have the same type of nose since you hate Scandinavians. You focus only on the ones who have small and upturned noses, clearly just ignoring all the others since they disprove what you say.

These girls and MANY others were also ignored by you. Gee, I wonder why. You just ignore all the photos of Swedish girls with elegant noses, cherry-picking those with cute and upturned noses in order to make your case. lol

There are different types of noses here. Some have elegant ones and others are more cute. The thing they have in common is their femininity and fine form. I like to focus on femininity, and the larger types of noses that godis likes are not very typical for the feminine face, I think.

Swedes;



By the way, the photo of Megan Fox you used is pre-nose surgery, it seems. So I guess Megan disagrees with you and was not satisfied with the nose you chose as an example. lol

Not that there was much wrong with her nose before, but she wanted a smaller and straighter one, apparently, since it makes her more feminine. I guess the larger and bumpier Romanian-style elegance is kinda ruined now, then. ;)

Emily,

I used to think you were intelligent. Now I have 3 hypothesis:

1)You have severely below average intelligence because you argue pointless arguments against something that it seems you don't understand. Someone else must be typing out your arguments for you making them legible.

2) You are so desperate to stay ignorant that you will argue anything, even the stupid arguments that you have left that make no sense.

3)You are a five year old girl who has the mind of a 3-5 year old. Your older brother or sister thinks what you say is hilarious and decides to help you type out your nonsense on this site just to see the responses your insanity gets.

I am done arguing with you. You are an outrageous person.

You post photos of MORE Swedish women with robust noses to prove that Swedish women don't have robust noses. There are like 1 or two in there that actually have good noses.

You mention Romanian noses again. This is not a valid argument anymore. I have not compared Romanian noses to anything to make any point in my last post. Get over it and get a better argument.

Are you so dull that you still don't understand that I was referring to one specific photo of Kay Francis? Again, you act like a chicken without a head and go on posting DIFFERENT photos of Kay Francis' nose that I haven't referred to, to make an argument against NOTHING! Because I never said Kay Francis' nose in general is more romantic, but that in ONE specific photo it is. The photo you never post up to counteract my argument. You have to post OTHER photos up that I NEVER referred to. I swear you are like a chicken with no head that impulsivley does things like post photos and argue the same arguments that make no sense because of reflexes disattached to a logical thinking brain.

So Swedish women are the most beautiful women in the world right Emily? You complain that I use photos of celebrities that are professionally done or whatever. It doesn't matter. First of all, this complaint of yours simply proves that you obviously see that the photos you yourself post of perfect Swedes are less than perfect especially in the nose area. Secondly, you state yourself over and over that Swedish women are the most attractive on Earth. Well, if you have selected photographs of the most attractive women on the planet I believe they could compete with celebrities no? Because celebrities are selected for their attractiveness, but we have many celebrities that aren't even that attractive, and so it should be NO problem for the majority of Swedish women to compete since they are ON AVERAGE extremely attractive according to you right Emily? I mean it is your own statements that make it ok for me to compare them. The most attractive women on the planet on average should be able to compete.

But seriously, lets get real. The noses I posted of celebrities are accurate. Would you like me to post bad photos of each of those celeberities without makeup on to prove that still their noses are less robust than Swedish ones? I can even post photos of non-celebrities with better noses, but I simply don't have the time to find those. However, if you push me far enough I will just to prove you wrong once again. You are an unbelievable person. But please don't take that as a compliment, it is not.

There you go headless chicken with your all time favorite argument. It's like your throwing a tantrum every time you say this:

YOUR JEALOUS! WAH WAH WAH Cry me a river.

If you have never been jealous in your life well golly gee you must be above human. Of course though Swedes and Nordics in general are superior to humans right? But mostly Swedes because you are Swedish right Emily? Because if you were German or Dutch or Finnish than THEY would be the most attractive country on the planet, right?

Are you one of those people that believe some kind of super intelligent amazing beautiful powerful aliens came down to Earth and left some of their DNA here which resulted in these above human superior evolved Nordic people who rule the world because of their BEAUTY! Swedish people didn't evolve from monkeys did they? They are too good to be categorized as human, perhaps angels would be better right? Come on Emily, Come On! Get real. Nordics, even Swedes are more attractive on average. More attractive than Romanians or whatever. But don't act like you don't shit. Everyone does. People like you annoy the hell out of me. Would you like us to pave our roads with gold when you visit to? Surely a person of your superiority and beauty would not walk on anything else?

Oh look! Alicia Silverstone looks like CRAP in this photo and she STILL has a better nose than the majority of the Swedes in your photos:

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Oh look average girls with better noses! None of these women are Scandinavian:

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Wow. Those were actually kind of hard to find, and I even looked for primarily Nordic women. I never realized how uncommon a decent nose is even in Nordic countries. I'm never going to complain mine ever again! It would be ridicilous considering the noses of some other people!

Either way, as you can see these women have better noses than the Swedish ones. I believe Nordics like Irish or German have better noses on average, and that is where I found the majority of the photos above.

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Oh, and its funny how you claimed I ignored a lot of girls with "delicate" noses. No I didn't. The majority of photos you just posted feature women with robust noses. There are only a few here and there that don't.

For example in this photos, both these girls just have a weird nose and forhead area:

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See the girl on your left, her nose is almost pinched in the area where the forhead and nose bridge meet. Then it comes out rather unelegantly, forming alomst a tiny bump. You see, this makes it seem as if her brow ridge were more protuding because of the contrast between the forehead and pinched bridge. So she actually looks masculine and even angry despite the fact that she is quite feminine. Hey, not everyone's nose looks good at every angle. But since you claim Swedes have such delicate fine features and then post these photos to prove it, I must hold you up to it.

Haha. You claimed only one had a bad nose, but really they both do. You let little things fool you. You absolutley ignore the negative.

If you claim what you claim, be prepared to be scrutinized for it. Your claims are so outrageous there is no way ANY race can live up to them. Not even Swedes! But like I said Germans for example are closer...

Oh my god. You are absolutely insane. Those girls are gorgeous and the one on the left has a perfect and elegant nose. You are right, you are a jealous person, as you admitted before. Insanely jealous and hateful.

This nonsense you spew is coming from someone who thinks Ekaterina's giant hooked nose is good-looking. You are an absolute joke, and also mentally ill, I think. You see things no one else sees. Your perception is totally removed from reality and your taste is so far off that you seem like a crazy person.

"Oh my god. You are absolutely insane. Those girls are gorgeous and the one on the left has a perfect and elegant nose. You are right, you are a jealous person, as you admitted before. Insanely jealous and hateful."

Saying they have perfect noses over and over again doesn't prove anything. Few people have perfect noses, but you still believe that the majority of Swedes do even when they don't.

I claimed I get jealous sometimes, not that I am a jealous person. Everbody on this planet gets jealous. But you don't Emily. You don't sleep, eat, and shit either do you?

"This nonsense you spew is coming from someone who thinks Ekaterina's giant hooked nose is good-looking. You are an absolute joke, and also mentally ill, I think. You see things no one else sees. Your perception is totally removed from reality and your taste is so far off that you seem like a crazy person."

Yes, yes. I am a hateful mentall ill person who posts photos of kids and criticizes their appearance. I also make fun of whole cultures, relate children's looks to down syndrome, and I am the one that lives in a fantasy land where everyone like myself is considered "perfect" in every way.

I'M the one who needs a reality check right?

I've come back and read some things and I realize that although I still stand by all my points, I am not proud of the way I have been acting on this site from the beginning. I just look back at some of the things I wrote and realize that I have been a complete bitch, although sometimes being a bitch is a good thing. Like my favorite character on Gossip Girl Blaire lol. Ok, back on point though, I said too many nasty things with a nasty tone, and for what?

I don't think anything that has been said or done here is worth it in the name of beauty. I think there are some very deep underlying issues here, some of which I have. I have learned about myself a great deal. I have learned I have a very nasty side, and that I have a lot of ego issues myself.

This site has taught me a lot about femininity. I appreciate this. I value both my masculine and feminine qualities and I want to enhance the good from both and minimize the bad from both. I think the best way to do this is to educate myself in the first place. This site has been an extremely useful tool in doing this. I can't say the same about any other beauty site.

However, this site is not without error and fault. I realize my criticisms are sometimes harsh, sometimes just stupid, sometimes quite accurate. I will constantly question and criticize. Sometimes it takes me a while to accept or see things. So, I am sure there will be times after this I will get nasty at Erik. I will try to tone down my nastiness. It really isn't a representation of how I really am as a person. I have been told I am very motherly. I love taking care of things, in fact I am eager to care for things. I LOVE cooking for people,taking care of sick people (I know this is a strange thing to love doing no?),taking care of and interacting with children,tending to plants, keeping one or two pets(LOVE animals, but won't have more than two, hygiene reasons). So, it is really strange to go back and read everything and realize this whole different side of me comes out on this site. I have always been witty or sarcastic, but not in such a nasty way and generally I care for people's feelings. I realize that on here I rarely do. I think we sometimes forget we are dealing with real people on this site...

So, I am not going to argue with Emily anymore or at least not for some time. I just feel that although I disagree and have even been disgusted with some of Emily's views and behaviors, that arguing with her the way I have been will not result in anything positive.I have said some very hurtful things and nobody deserves those things said to them. I regret some of the mean things I have said to Emily. I don't know Emily and I will never be able to fully understand her. I just really wish that she could see my points of view and others points of view at times. I can see some of her points, like the fact that Northern Europeans are most attractive on average. I think Emily is an intelligent and most likely attractive Swedish girl. But I have to say she has disappointed me.

Anyways, I'm kind of rambling on. Emily, I will no longer adress any of your arguments towards me. It's going to be hard because you know how to push all my buttons. But, I can't treat someone the way I have been treating you any longer. I want to apologize for any mean things I have said to you and anybody else. I am going to try to be a more sensitive objective, less sarcastic and mean person in the future. But, its soo fun to be like that! Anyways, I'm goin to take a few days or week or maybe even months off this site. I think everyone needs to back off a little actually. This site has become a focus of racial issues. It is not exactly what it was intended for. I think Erik does have too much of a eurocentric view on everything. I think Erik is a little biased in many ways. I think there is slight to moderate misinformation on here, some intentional. But I still think this site has valuable information on it. Anyways, see you all later. Hopefully when I come back here I will act more respectably! Hope you do the same.

Oh and remember:

Everything is in the mind, and the mind is the most powerful thing you have. It is not surprising than that true femininity and masculinity lie in the mind. It is important, in my opinion, to get in touch with both sides. I prefer to be more feminine overall, but there is no way I don't value masculine qualities within myself. I believe they enhance me as a person greatly, and so every male and female on here should let their feminine and masculine qualities enhance them, both physically and mentally.

Godis,

You trying to prove something that nobody, other than you, can see.

Instead of proving that swedish girls have robust nose, you should try to accept and valorize the features of your people. You are trying to impose to nordics features which are common on your people. it's a unconscious way that you use to equate nordics with your people and to feel closer to them.

You sound like those angry southerners fed up with nordic people due to many propaganda depicting nordics as an ideal of beauty. You hate and love nordics equally. As long as you continue your stand, you turn out pro nordic. Once you realize that your theories don't work, you come with a new one. How many theories do you have?

There is no point in proving that nordics have robust noses when others have yet more robust noses. Refined can be a very relative concept and whether the swedish girls have refined or robust nose it's just a point of view.
If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point.

By the way Godis

You are proving that Emily was right all the time. She has said in an indirect manner that robust and hooked nose are some kind of inferior trait.

You bought it!

Now you're denying robust and hooked nose in everyone other than swedes. Why? Because you do think those are inferior trait. Self-hate.

You do love nordic people and hate them because you are not part of that world. Come up with theories which just you comprehend is the only hope left.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

I did not claim that NORDICS have robust noses. I claimed that there is an element of robustity to Scandinavian noses. Scandinavians are "technically" Nordic, however I am referring specifically to Scandinavians and not Nordics in general. I have never been to Scandinavia, but I get my ideas from Emily's photos. Emily has selected photographs of what she thinks the average woman in Sweden looks like. In many, if not the majority of these photos, I have found that there is an element of robustity to many of the faces. This actually includes features such as the nose/eye area, the chin, the cheekbones, and the face shape in general. I have specifically focused on the nose because Emily likes to focus on the nose when she criticizes people of other races.

"If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point"

This is simply not true. German women or Irish women for example do not have robust noses on average. If you were to compare the Germans and the Swedes, the Swedes would have more robust noses. This is the conclusion I draw from the analysis of Emily's photos and photos in general of Swedes on the net.

You sound like those angry southerners fed up with nordic people due to many propaganda depicting nordics as an ideal of beauty. You hate and love nordics equally. As long as you continue your stand, you turn out pro nordic. Once you realize that your theories don't work, you come with a new one. How many theories do you have?

You sound a tad stereotypical and ignorant.I don't see how my theories don't work? Just because I changed my mind about Nordic women being more feminine does not mean I changed my theories. In fact my theory as to why Nordic women have bigger breasts and hips remains the same: diet. Hormones from dairy products and meat. The same reason American girls today have full grown large breasts by the age of 8. However, the U.S. is a different story. We overdo everything in the U.S. The result is a high frequency of obese people. Anyways, I would like to state that there is nothing wrong with changing a theory and coming up with a new one. This is something scientists do all the time no? It's the evolution of ideas really and a very positive thing. The concept is simple. You replace something with something better. Why keep an old idea when there is a better one out there?

"Instead of proving that swedish girls have robust nose, you should try to accept and valorize the features of your people. You are trying to impose to nordics features which are common on your people. it's a unconscious way that you use to equate nordics with your people and to feel closer to them."

I don't have to try to accept and valorize the features of my people. The only features I have to accept are simply my own. Here in the United States we are very individualistic as opposed to collective. I personally find more value in an individual's physical features than a groups'. Afterall, when I will choose a mate it will be based on his individual features rather than those of his group. If I find a Spanish man that is more attractive than a Nordic man, why should I choose the Nordic one? Because this subrace is on average more attractive? What do I care if his race is more attractive on average? My children will get HIS features passed down, not his whole races'. I will choose the Spanish man.

"There is no point in proving that nordics have robust noses when others have yet more robust noses. Refined can be a very relative concept and whether the swedish girls have refined or robust nose it's just a point of view.
If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point"

Refined can be a relative concept, however to a point it can be an agreed upon concept. I have stated before that other races have more robust noses than Swedish noses. This does not change the fact that a Swedish nose has an element of robustity to it, despite the fact that it does not have as high robustity as the average nose of other ethnicities. Besides, I am not really claiming that the Swedish nose is robust on average. I am just stating that I see a high frequency of robust noses in Emily's photographs. Since she is trying to portray the people in her photographs as the average "Swede" than it is only natural that I argue by using her examples and my observations of those examples...

I tried to tone my rudeness down. I really did. I tried to answer those questions as objectivley as possible.

The above was written by me. I forgot to type my name in the box.

I would like to add that many of the Swedish noses I have posted up as examples are not unattractive. They simply do not fit my definition of romantic or elegant. However, many of them fit my defintion of cute or adorable.

Besides, a feature with an element of robustity to it does not make it an unattractive feature. That depends on the feature itself and the overall effect the robustity has on the face and the person in general.

There are absolutley no faces on this planet that don't have something slightly off about them. Some faces come closer than others to perfection, but no face, NO FACE, is perfect my friends.

Besides, if Swedes have an advantage, it is in symmetry. It seems that even photos not posted by Emily, of average Swedes, display Swedes with extremely symmetrical facial features. I believe that Swedes on average have more symmetrical faces than any other Nordics, and many other races. This along with their bone structure in general makes for a very attractive people on average. We all know how important symmetry is when it comes to attraction. I am not saying one is not attractive if one does not have a symmetrical face. I have a cousin with a unsymmetrical features, however she beats out other girls in the looks department simply because her features, while unysmmetrical, are stunning nonetheless. However, anyone can benefit from having a more symmetrical face. Rarely is the unsymmetrical feature not improved if it were changed to be symmetrical.

"You are proving that Emily was right all the time. She has said in an indirect manner that robust and hooked nose are some kind of inferior trait.

You bought it!"

No, the majority of people, especially Europeans, find that robust and hooked noses are less attractive. Not just me. However, it really depends on the person and how the nose ties in to the rest of the features. A hooked nose is more masculine so it would actually probably look good on certain men. It can look good on certain women as well. In fact a study done concluded that women with hooked noses, even feminine women with hooked noses, were more respected among men and viewed as more intelligent than the average woman. This was simply what the subjects,the men, in the experiment claimed themselves.
So, I actually don't believe a hooked nose to be "inferior". I find it has advantages. The Romans for example viewed bumped unsymmetrical noses smack in the middle of the face to be art. Just look at the majority of the Roman statues. I just think that today, the average European, will generally not be attracted to a hooked nose opposed to a non-hooked nose. However, it really does depend on the individual. What if you had two women. One with a hooked nose and one with a non-hooked nose. But, the one with a hooked nose was feminine, otherwise symmetrical, and beautiful. The one with a non-hooked nose was not feminine or beautiful. Which one will the man go for? Throw in other qualities such as intelligence and talent and you have some hard decisions to make when it comes to choosing between people. Everyone on this planet has such a mix of good and bad qualities. You will never find a woman that is just "perfect".

"Now you're denying robust and hooked nose in everyone other than swedes. Why? Because you do think those are inferior trait. Self-hate.

You do love nordic people and hate them because you are not part of that world. Come up with theories which just you comprehend is the only hope left."

False. I have not denied hooked or robust noses in everyone other than Swedes. Self-hate? What does my opinion of hooked noses have to do with myself? I rarely associate my features with any group, I associate them with myself. Why would I hate myself because my ethnic background consists of people with a higher frequency of hooked noses than another background? It is my nose that I should love or hate, not my group's nose.

Emily,

I never knew that there are so many beautiful women from all over the world but thanks to your silly efforts on this site you have managed to provoke intelligent people proving you wrong by posting photos of beautiful non-Nordic women. Now I know how beautiful this wolrd is!

Just have a look at these beautiful NON-Nordics! WOW!

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_367/1234910458T0kZYZ.jpg

http://www.thaindian.com/images/sampurn/19352.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/photos/adriana-lima/84188.jpg

http://www.letsshop.com/media/fck/image/Articles/NewsGossip/2009/NGMeganFHM.jpg

And see this nice couple mixing.......ouchhhh! lol

http://www2.vietbao.vn/images/vi55/giai-tri/55142645-maichiliz_hurley_arun_nayar_0l.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aisledash.com/media/2007/11/52784572_10.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/14/article-1026510-012E29E200000578-182_468x433.jpg

So Emily, you fail to prove that you are beter than other women, because in fact that is what you are desperately struggling to impose on here. Sorry dear, but white guys are attracted to exotic women and white girls are happy to marry exotic guys. Now stop victimizing yourself and get a life because hate and slander will not promote your type.

Sorry but germans are known for having ugly noses...

The typical german look:
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(I know she's making a funny face, I'm not trying to say the average german look, is looking "retarded" or something.)

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Swedish people have various noses but the are generally not big or hooked but some people have a small bump on a normal sized nose.

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Her nose is cute. ^^

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So it hers.

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Swedish face ^^Image
There are many versions with normal swedish noses with bumps and the girl on the right has a long nose with a bump on the the one on the left has a very big nose to be swedish :P

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Swedish, not small, but not big nose with a small bump.

Godis,

You knowledge is based on what you want to see.

You are implying a robust element that only you have notice. In order to be robust a feature must be massive. Almost all the girls that that Emilly have brought so far have little noses. Some can have rounded noses, not robust.

And about german having refined noses than swedes you sure have no clue. Throughout time was introduced in germans a foreign alpine and dinaric element which made their nose look more robust on average in relation to other nordics.

I just want you to show us what this robust element that only you can see is. Mind you edit a photo to show us?

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"You are proving that Emily was right all the time. She has said in an indirect manner that robust and hooked nose are some kind of inferior trait."

I wouldn't call it an inferiour trait. I just don't think a large or hooked nose is feminine, and this site is about femininity so that's why we compare noses right now, I guess. It doesn't have to be very small either. The important thing is that the nose is proportionate to the face and has a fine shape, whether it is elegant or cute.

Scandinavians have smaller, finer and more delicate noses, on average, and by far it is the people with the least amount of hooked, very large or robust noses.

On men I don't mind a larger or slightly hooked nose since they tend to look more masculine anyway. I guess life is a little unfair to women in this regard.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"Godis,

You trying to prove something that nobody, other than you, can see.

Instead of proving that swedish girls have robust nose, you should try to accept and valorize the features of your people. You are trying to impose to nordics features which are common on your people. it's a unconscious way that you use to equate nordics with your people and to feel closer to them.

You sound like those angry southerners fed up with nordic people due to many propaganda depicting nordics as an ideal of beauty. You hate and love nordics equally. As long as you continue your stand, you turn out pro nordic. Once you realize that your theories don't work, you come with a new one. How many theories do you have?

There is no point in proving that nordics have robust noses when others have yet more robust noses. Refined can be a very relative concept and whether the swedish girls have refined or robust nose it's just a point of view.
If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point."

Amen to that.

I suppose that the so called "ROBUST" element claimed only by Godis must be the cute (rounded, chubby) aspect.

They still tiny.

Wow, just wow.

The statement: "non Nordics have ugly noses" is the same like saying "all Nordict have upward noses". Both statements are incorrect, ofcourse!

It is very sad that some people feel insecure about their own looks and feel the urge to spit venom at other people.

After reading through most of Emily's garbage, I'm going to take my icy nordic genes and spread them into as many beautiful asian women as I can. I'll show you muddy genetic waters damn you ^_^

Besides, Nordic women have evolved to carry firewood in the middle of a scandinavian winter, they're built like carthorses!. I'd take an earthy sensual middle eastern type over a blocky, angular Nordic woman any day, and I'm as blue eyed and blonde as you get.

Frikkus:

This is very contradictory of myself because I myself have been accused of not having blonde hair when I do, etc. etc.
However, I highly doubt you are a blue eyed blonde, simply because you have quite a lot of negativity towards Scandinavian women. However forgive me if I am jumping to assumptions and I know I am being hippocritical.

However, one thing I agree with you is that many Nordic women, particularly those closer to Scandinavian women including Scandinavian women are rather stocky. Erik would like us to believe that Nordic women have finer bones than other women on average. I find this to be untrue. From my own experiences I have noticed that all the girls from Denmark that came to my university this year are giants compared to the French women. The French women are shorter and clearly have finer bones, not finer facial features but actual bones. Although many have fine facial features. The women from Denmark have a tendency to be pear shaped, where their behind is much bigger and their breasts are relativley small. They apear husky even without having too much weight on them, and they are tall 5'6 is the shortest. These women are just bigger on average.

However, looking at German women or those Nordics closer to Central Europe and less in the North, they are not built as stocky. They are much tinier. Now, many Scandinavian women are known for being tall and appearing slender, however the slenderness is often accompanied with just a bigger build. Of course being tall will make anyone appear slender, and having little weight on makes one appear EVEN more slender.

I think that the majority of SOUTHERN Europeans are more slender built, including to a less frequency Eastern and Central Eastern European women. Evolutionarily speaking it makes sense that the stockier built people would be in the North. Erik claims that only a small "tribe' of people in Macedonia or something have a slender built when it comes to South Eastern Europe. This is simply not true. If one were to look in many anthropology articles they would read that for example Romanians are known for being tall, slenderly built, with "eagle' noses, high flat heads, etc. I can tell you right now seeing Romanians they often have smaller bones than Northern Europeans.

Many Northern Europeans have small bones and slender builds, but then again many are very stocky and husky looking particularly those in the far North.

Middle Eastern people in my opinion have extremely slender builds. This in my opinion is why many Middle Eastern women do not have a feminine ankle calf area. It is too thin. Erik points this out. But Middle EAstern people have a high frequency of samll bones. Period.

We don't have a lot of big boned people in my extended family. I would say my German and Romanian family have similar builds. It's not surprising since we all seem to be attracted to people similar to us. Even the "big boned" people aren't even really that way, its nust layers of fat tha make them appear that way. So I would say Germans don't really have big bones on avearge from my experience with my GErman family. The women in my German family are taller however, while the men on both sides equal out in terms of height.

I live in Europe and have been to many countries here. What is being said about Scandinavian women is blatantly untrue and most likely based on jealousy. Scandinavians are far more gracile and feminine than German women, and Eastern Europeans are often stockier built due to the Slavic influence. Everything about them is less feminine and gracile.

In my experience the Scandinavians are taller and more slender, and Scandinavians generally have finer bone structure than Germans and most other Europeans. Their facial features are more delicate and more feminine, and their noses are beautiful and not huge and hooked like the ones you see in other parts of Europe.

As for Romanians, please, they don't even qualify so why mention them? They're ethnically very mixed and often have that terribly unflattering and swarthy semitic and gypsy look.

As for middle eastern women they are extremely coarse, masculine and semitic, and don't come anywhere near European women in terms of femininity. Really, some of the outrageously inaccurate remarks here made me laugh. It's kinda like turning the truth upside down and pretend you got it right.

I think everybody is entitle to his/her own opinion. Some people are attracted to feminine facial feature, others are attracetd to masculine. Personally, I tend to like people with well-balanced facial features, and especially if they also posses mixed genes. I find their appearance superior to all the others.

Look at this girl, that is a 100% natural beauty!
http://www.bigvillage.com.au/Portals/0/Pic%20of%20the%20Month/269035%20Girl%20in%20India.jpg

She's also of mixed genes.
http://www.indiantvtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/katrina_kaif_902020096.jpg

Sorry Emily and vagabond, but facts talk for itsel! Plain looking people are not exciting enough and you both need to get over it.

Visitor: The last girl looked arab or afghan, not mixed.
Here's some examples of european-looking afghans:

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I agree with you vagabond, but I wonder, where in Euroupe are you from? :)
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ITs funny how Emily argues THE SAME things:

jealousy, Scands are the best EVEN compared to GERMANS and then she tries to pass herself off as another poster as if it isn't obvious.

It's not taht someone can't agree with Emily, its the fact that its obvious that when they have the same tone of voice, writing style and use the exact same words to argue the exact same thing is kind of obvious.

And also Vagabond I mean Emily,

I mentioned that Middle Eastern European women have smaller bones. Look at a middle eastern Woman's ankles for once! They have slender builds and so do the males. This actually makes the women look MORE masculine, I mentioned this so learn how to READ!

And I am sorry but the far North Northern Europeans do not have finer facial features than the Germans. I am SORRY!

And stop mentioning how mixed Romanians are. Less than 8% are mixed wiht Gypsy. Fuck off with that.

Most people are mixed race. What are you trying to prove?

Godis, just because you have admitted you use different usernames it doesn't mean other people do too only because they agree on something. You did the same with Barberella. Since vagabond actually LIVES in Europe he or she can tell when you write nonsense, just as I can since I live here, and that is why you are corrected. You're just an American who is totally clueless.

If I start to write nonsense about the looks of Americans, showing I have no clue what I'm talking about, for instance saying Americans are on average much slimmer than other people, you will see and recognize it for what it is - nonsense, and so will other Americans, who obviously know better than I do what you people look like over there.

Germans are on average much heavier built than Scandinavians, with a larger, heavier bone structure. This tendency is continued in Eastern Europeans who have typically heavy Slavic traits. Vagabond is right about that. I know since I have been to Germany many, many times like many other Scandinavians. It's not exactly a secret that they are heavier built, and that's one reason German men love Scandinavian women. It's not a big deal for us actually living in these countries. You make it a big deal since you have an agenda.

I know you have a hatred and deep-seated envy of Scandinavians, anybody can see that, and that is the underlying reason for these false things you write, but you see, no matter how many times you make false claims they are still false, and yes, Erik got it right, apparently since he is more educated and informed on the matter than you are.

The things you wrote about Middle Easterners were ridiculous. More masculine and unattractive women can hardly be found among caucasians. Their bone structure is hardly of interest, I think. Their purported gracility (which I doubt) doesn't exactly make them feminine. Many look like men and even have a moustache and monobrow, not to mention their infamous hooked noses.

Vagabond was also right about Romanians. They really are among the ugliest of the Europeans, but unlike him/her I know why you brought it up. You are predominantly Romanian, and wish your people weren't an ugly mix of a lot of unattractive people such as gypsies, but you are, and there is nothing you can do about it. Making false statments about Scandinavians won't help your case. It only makes you look like a desperate fool.

And since this entry IS about noses I can also say that yes, the noses of Scandinavians are on average much nicer and more refined than the noses of other people, and that is the reason for this entry.

Romanians for example, have enormous "nose problems" and try to emulate the Nordic nose type, and who can blame them. I haven't thought about it but now when I do it really strikes me that there is a semitic resemblance there. Many Romanians are probably related to them so some kind of Middle Eastern admixture is probably present. That would explain their unattractive and overly large noses, I think, but it could also be due to the gypsy influence alone, but it is probably a case of both semitic and gypsy influence.

Romanian women. Could there be Semitic admixture as well as gypsy admixture (or are they the same thing, originally. I know the gypsies are closely related to the Indians, but this typically Semitic nose may be of Middle Eastern origin far back in time).

Romanians. The Arab/gypsy influence is rather obvious, actually.;

Iranians;

Romanian women sometimes secretly wish they were Scandinavians ;);

Swedish girl with girl probably of Middle Eastern (Iraqi) origin. The Swedish girl is gracile and feminine compared to the other one. Middle Eastern women are often manly.;

In Iran nose jobs are getting more and more common. There is an entire documentary that deals with the subject. "Nose: Iranian style".

"Iran: Nose Job Capital Of World

Iran's strict Islamic dress code has backfired in at least one big way.

Some young Iranian women are more obsessed with their appearance than their counterparts in the West.

And, as CBS News Correspondent Elizabeth Palmer reports, they're lining up in record number to improve on the look nature gave them with cosmetic surgery.

The most popular form of plastic surgery in America is liposuction, but in Iran, where the female form is kept largely under wraps, women prefer to spend their money where they can show it off.

So Iran, where the morality police used to confiscate eyeliner and lip gloss, is now the nose job capital of the world.

"A Western nose is more beautiful," says one young woman in Farsi.

At a medical center, where a group of women wait for their friend to come out of surgery, portraits of classical Iranian beauties hang on the wall. But the Persian nose, it seems, is out of style.

Inside the operating room, Dr. Hossein Heidar lifts and shortens.

"The hot look," he says, is inspired by Hollywood.

Women shopping for new noses, Heidar says, arrive with photos of Jennifer Lopez.

A picture perfect nose costs around $1,500.

Photographer Newsha Tavakolian is planning a book on Iranian women. The nose craze, she says, started with satellite TV from the West.

"Everyone saw how the Western women, they have very small nose and look almost like Barbie, and the Iranian women, they see them and they say, 'Oh, I want to look like them,'" says Tavakolian. "They want to make their nose small."

But it's not only women. There are lots of bandaged men on the streets too.

"Iranians in general have big noses and that's one of the reasons why this surgery is so popular," says Ali Bahrami in Farsi.

Bahrami insists he had the operation for medical purposes, but the before and after pictures tell a different story.

And best of all, Heidar says, all this nipping and tucking is not un-Islamic.

"Plastic surgery is better appearance for people, and I think God like this," he says."

It's funny how they try to work out complex, difficult explanations for the popularity of nose jobs in the region such as "identity problems of the youth" or " self-hatred", when the obvious answer is that they prefer the fine Nordic nose because it is more beautiful. Everyone wants what is more beautiful, and if they don't have it they can either be envious like Romanian Godis, or they can do something about it.

Of course envy is a complex issue, so even if you dye your hair blonde like Godis, in an attempt to look less Romanian and more Scandinavian, it will always be bitterness at having to resort to this, so plastic surgery and other comsetic prosedures that don't give the desired effect will often create even more envy and resentment, and can easily turn into an obsession, as we see with Godis.

Sometimes these nose jobs turn out less than successful since the rest of the face can look even manlier and coarser than before with a small, fine nose in the middle that doesn't really fit the face. Not making the size and look of the nose too Nordic is the key to success, I think, as a harmonious face is more important to the overall impression.

1. Iranians are not Arabs. They are Persian. They speak Farsi not Arabic.
2. Afghans are generally not one race. There are several different tribes found in Afghanistan. You cannot say there is an "Afghan Arab" Race. There are over 5 languages spoken in that area.
2. Romanians do not look like arabs. If they look like anyone else it's Russians. Do not say a Russian looks like an arab. You might punched in the face by a very angry person. Russians do not take kindly to that sort of thing (I am not a Russian).
3. Most white people are mixed. What are you crying about? I doubt most people in your beloved country are purely of one race. Unless you can trace back your family for generations i seriously doubt you are of pure blood. Certainly there are cultural considerations that differ among Europeans but to get on a high horse and proclaim you are all separate races is quite silly. There's been so much intermarriage in Europe for hundreds of years it's impossible to proclaim to be pure-blooded anything.

Arguing with you is pretty pointless though, like Barney Frank said "it would be like having a conversation with my dining room table". Although I think the table might have better cognitive reasoning capabilities. It's obvious to me you are a nationalist and a racist. Why you are a nationalist I don't know. It's rather stupid to be proud of where you are from. It's all a matter of being born to the right people. Otherwise you probably would have been born somewhere else and you would be proud of that place. Racism is an outdated mode of thought. All of this points to someone who is just a little bit too in love with their person and not too bright. One day you'll get knocked off your ivory tower. I'd like to be around to see that, i bet it would be an enjoyable moment.

"Romanians do not look like arabs. If they look like anyone else it's Russians."

Romanians look a lot like Arabs. They don't look like Russians since they are much swarthier and have much more gypsy- and probably also Semitic blood than the Russians. In other words, they look much more Middle Eastern than Russians do.

"Most white people are mixed. What are you crying about?"

The ones who do the crying are those who cry racism when the arguments on looks fail.
I know Iranians are not "technically" Arabs, but as you people love to point out they are all mixed. So, there, your argument is turned right back at ya. Iranians are very mixed and look a lot like their Arab neighbours. Swarthy and very manly. They even have to shave off that moustache they have. Or maybe they bleach it, but I doubt it since it's almost as thick as Burt Reynolds'. lol Don't bother to put up the usual boring photos of rare exceptions, trying to disprove the reality of what they typically look like.

"The ones who do the crying are those who cry racism when the arguments on looks fail."

Because "looks" are not confined to one race. Facial traits and body structure are not race specific. Certainly there are some trends but there is not rule that says a white person can't have a fat ass and a black person can't have a thin lips. "Swarthy" is an adjective which has no objective definition. It does have a definition in that it's a word but it doesn't have some kind of scientific meaning. You are trying to say Romanians look like Arabs. Well that's your opinion. Bring some actual science to the table. Do you have any studies showing that in face Romanians have similar facial and bone structures to Arabs? Or are you going to keep posting pictures and claiming it is science? That is not science. That is still your personal opinion because I can look at that picture and see something else. Come up with some data or quit crying when people call you what you are. You use insults to describe people of other races. Of course I'm going to call you a racist. it's a dead give away.

"I know Iranians are not "technically" Arabs, but as you people love to point out they are all mixed. So, there, your argument is turned right back at ya. Iranians are very mixed and look a lot like their Arab neighbours."

Firstly you need to educate yourself concerning "Arabs". Arab is not a race. It is a term slapped on people who live in that area of the world because dumb people in Europe and America can't be bothered to learn about anything. It's an entirely social construction. Some "Arabs" are light, some are dark, some are blue eyed, some not. Why? Cause it's not one race. No, they don't all look the same. If you think so it's because you are ignorant. You've never been the the middle east, you've never viewed each and every single "Arab" on this planet. Once again, come up with some actual data or quite spewing out that you have facts. You have no facts without hard data.

Emily,

You are so stupid seriously. The area I come from in Romania is close to Hungary and the Ukraine. I am not swarthy and you can tell by the photos I posted. I have really pale skin, in fact I WISH I could be swarthier so I wouldn't be so washed out. Most Southern Romanians heavily resemble the French, Spanish, or Italians. They seem closest to Italians though. Someimtes they have a slavic element to them. The Romanians closer to the North and West more closely resemble Russians actually, just like Rawr mentioned. They are very close to the Ukraine and so its kind of common sense.

I don't resemble a Gypsy. Nor do I really look Slavic, although I can be mistaken for Russian at times. I have shown you my face type, it is not broad as you claimed it would be. It is actually pretty much a very NORDIC face shape, which is not surprising because I am 50% German. When I ask people what I look like, the first thing they say is German. I am very fair, and I have very German facial structure. It throws people off. From my Romanian side I got my body. I have my mother's body and it is an hourglass. I also have green toned or olive skin, althoug it is very pale. I have ash blonde hair and hazel eyes. I don't think these are typical Gypsy traits.

Romanians are do not resemble Middle Easterners. The only Middle Eastern type resemblance they could have is from when the Ottoman Empire took over. The Turks are EURASIAN. They have a lot of different features. The majority of Romanians really don't resemble Turks. You can find Italians that you can claim look "Middle Eastern". You are just picking up on certain features that are similar between these populations, but you are making ridiculous statements and conclusions. The way a Romanian looks depends on their geographical location. The Northern Romanians can be strikingly different from the Southern ones. Stop being so ignorant!

You make no sense. The subject brought up was body structure not FACIAL structure. You did not argue anything that had to do with the original argument which focused on body structure. Bringing up photos of middle eastern noses did not have anything to do with the original argument!

Middle Eastern women have thinner frames. Period. Haha. German women are not stockier than Scandinavian women. Scandinavian women live farther up North, where the winters are CRAZY! It makes no sense that they would not be stockier. They are tall and big boned. They evolved this way to survive the harsh winters that only a country THAT North has. There are exceptions. There are many Scandinavians that are not tall and stocky, but tall and lean. The Halstedt type fits this description, however from my readings and experience very few people actually qualify as Haldstedt type. In fact the majority of the women in your photographs do not qualify.

This video is an example of what some SOUTHERN ROMANIAN women will look like. Just because you post photos of Gypsy mixes does not mean they represent the whole population of Romania. Fewer than 8% Romanians are Gypsy mixed. Have you already forgotten by the way that Scandinavians are not 100% European? Are you still in denial that this is clear in their facial structure as I have noticed it and it has led me to further investigate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvQ41EIs-0

Emily,

You are so stupid seriously. The area I come from in Romania is close to Hungary and the Ukraine. I am not swarthy and you can tell by the photos I posted. I have really pale skin, in fact I WISH I could be swarthier so I wouldn't be so washed out. Most Southern Romanians heavily resemble the French, Spanish, or Italians. They seem closest to Italians though. Someimtes they have a slavic element to them. The Romanians closer to the North and West more closely resemble Russians actually, just like Rawr mentioned. They are very close to the Ukraine and so its kind of common sense.

I don't resemble a Gypsy. Nor do I really look Slavic, although I can be mistaken for Russian at times. I have shown you my face type, it is not broad as you claimed it would be. It is actually pretty much a very NORDIC face shape, which is not surprising because I am 50% German. When I ask people what I look like, the first thing they say is German. I am very fair, and I have very German facial structure. It throws people off. From my Romanian side I got my body. I have my mother's body and it is an hourglass. I also have green toned or olive skin, althoug it is very pale. I have ash blonde hair and hazel eyes. I don't think these are typical Gypsy traits.

Romanians are do not resemble Middle Easterners. The only Middle Eastern type resemblance they could have is from when the Ottoman Empire took over. The Turks are EURASIAN. They have a lot of different features. The majority of Romanians really don't resemble Turks. You can find Italians that you can claim look "Middle Eastern". You are just picking up on certain features that are similar between these populations, but you are making ridiculous statements and conclusions. The way a Romanian looks depends on their geographical location. The Northern Romanians can be strikingly different from the Southern ones. Stop being so ignorant!

You make no sense. The subject brought up was body structure not FACIAL structure. You did not argue anything that had to do with the original argument which focused on body structure. Bringing up photos of middle eastern noses did not have anything to do with the original argument!

Middle Eastern women have thinner frames. Period. Haha. German women are not stockier than Scandinavian women. Scandinavian women live farther up North, where the winters are CRAZY! It makes no sense that they would not be stockier. They are tall and big boned. They evolved this way to survive the harsh winters that only a country THAT North has. There are exceptions. There are many Scandinavians that are not tall and stocky, but tall and lean. The Halstedt type fits this description, however from my readings and experience very few people actually qualify as Haldstedt type. In fact the majority of the women in your photographs do not qualify.

This video is an example of what some SOUTHERN ROMANIAN women will look like. Just because you post photos of Gypsy mixes does not mean they represent the whole population of Romania. Fewer than 8% Romanians are Gypsy mixed. Have you already forgotten by the way that Scandinavians are not 100% European? Are you still in denial that this is clear in their facial structure as I have noticed it and it has led me to further investigate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvQ41EIs-0

Emily,

You are so stupid seriously. The area I come from in Romania is close to Hungary and the Ukraine. I am not swarthy and you can tell by the photos I posted. I have really pale skin, in fact I WISH I could be swarthier so I wouldn't be so washed out. Most Southern Romanians heavily resemble the French, Spanish, or Italians. They seem closest to Italians though. Someimtes they have a slavic element to them. The Romanians closer to the North and West more closely resemble Russians actually, just like Rawr mentioned. They are very close to the Ukraine and so its kind of common sense.

I don't resemble a Gypsy. Nor do I really look Slavic, although I can be mistaken for Russian at times. I have shown you my face type, it is not broad as you claimed it would be. It is actually pretty much a very NORDIC face shape, which is not surprising because I am 50% German. When I ask people what I look like, the first thing they say is German. I am very fair, and I have very German facial structure. It throws people off. From my Romanian side I got my body. I have my mother's body and it is an hourglass. I also have green toned or olive skin, althoug it is very pale. I have ash blonde hair and hazel eyes. I don't think these are typical Gypsy traits.

Romanians are do not resemble Middle Easterners. The only Middle Eastern type resemblance they could have is from when the Ottoman Empire took over. The Turks are EURASIAN. They have a lot of different features. The majority of Romanians really don't resemble Turks. You can find Italians that you can claim look "Middle Eastern". You are just picking up on certain features that are similar between these populations, but you are making ridiculous statements and conclusions. The way a Romanian looks depends on their geographical location. The Northern Romanians can be strikingly different from the Southern ones. Stop being so ignorant!

You make no sense. The subject brought up was body structure not FACIAL structure. You did not argue anything that had to do with the original argument which focused on body structure. Bringing up photos of middle eastern noses did not have anything to do with the original argument!

Middle Eastern women have thinner frames. Period. Haha. German women are not stockier than Scandinavian women. Scandinavian women live farther up North, where the winters are CRAZY! It makes no sense that they would not be stockier. They are tall and big boned. They evolved this way to survive the harsh winters that only a country THAT North has. There are exceptions. There are many Scandinavians that are not tall and stocky, but tall and lean. The Halstedt type fits this description, however from my readings and experience very few people actually qualify as Haldstedt type. In fact the majority of the women in your photographs do not qualify.

This video is an example of what some SOUTHERN ROMANIAN women will look like. Just because you post photos of Gypsy mixes does not mean they represent the whole population of Romania. Fewer than 8% Romanians are Gypsy mixed. Have you already forgotten by the way that Scandinavians are not 100% European? Are you still in denial that this is clear in their facial structure as I have noticed it and it has led me to further investigate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvQ41EIs-0

I have to add that most Romanians resemble ROMANS. It is not surprising because Rome and ROMANnia mingled quite a bit. The dinaric elements and similarities in Romans and Romanians are overwhelming. I can see firsthand the resemblence within my family in bone structure. Now to look Roman doesn't require a "Roman" nose or Dinaric nose as you seem to think. A Roman nose can be a variety of noses, but it is usually what I think of a high bridged nose that juts out of the face, instead of curving upward. It doesn't always have to be "hooked" like you think.But...

I would also like to add that the people that you claim appear to have "less evolved" "semitic" ugly nosed ugly faced features are the ******KEY******geniuses of the frikkin world. Let me point out:

Bill Gates (Irish,English,Scottish,German):

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Nikola Tesla (Serbian): BTW did so much more than the more "evolved" looking by your standards: Thomas Edison

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Nikola Tesla Pictures, Images and Photos

Isaac Newton(English):

Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727 Pictures, Images and Photos

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George Washington(English):

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George Washington Pictures, Images and Photos

Charles Darwin (English): THE FATHER OF EVOLUTION

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Albert Einstein(Jewish):

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Albert Einstein Pictures, Images and Photos

Alexander the Great(Greek):

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Pythagoras (Greek):

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Galileo(Italian):

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Napoleon Bonparte (French):

NAPOLEON BONAPARTE Pictures, Images and Photos

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Queen Victoria (English):

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Socrates(Greek):

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Plato (Greek):

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Mozart(German):

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The Ancient Mayans:

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The Ancient Egyptians:

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Then we have geniuses at the other end of the spectrum. Ones that do not appear Semitic or Nordic but have rather large broad heads:

Beethoven, Ghengis Khan, etc.

You have no idea what evolution is Emily and how that relates to the way a person looks. It is well noted in literature even that the more prominent people in history tended to have concave noses as opposed to convex noses. No one really knows why this is a trend.

I just find it funny how you think Swedes are "more evolved" because they look a certain way. Two people can play that game Emily.

So stop bringing up "semitic" noses. You try to insult personally by claiming I have one. You also insult whole populations of people that are well known for having these noses.

Well the Ashkenazi Jews are well known for their prominent semitic noses, but they are also well known for their IQs.

So don't tell me how "ugly" and "unevolved" certain features are. Phrenology is a joke and I can twist your words against you. I have some of the most important geniuses in history have quite the opposite of the "evolved" Nordic looks, thank you.

"I have to add that most Romanians resemble ROMANS."

You mean ROMAS - not Romans, of course.

I have lived in Italy and Romanians look too gypsy-like and Middle Eastern to be compared to Romans, and by the way, use the modern term Italians. Using the word "Romans" make you seem like a fool. This is 2009 - not 100 AD. lol

The Romanians do closely resemble the Roma people, another name for the gypsies, and in fact, Romania is full of gypsies.

When you go down South in Italy you will see more Middle Eastern admixture, so in that sense Romanians will look like those Italians who look less Mediterranean and more Middle Eastern/Arabic.

Romanians have noses that also bear close resemblance to the Arabic/Semitic nose you see in the Middle East. The swarthiness is also typical.

Again, posting photos of people that are not truly representative for the population shows your desperation, Godis. The level of over-sized and hooked noses further North in Europe is not any way close to the one you will see in Romania, or for example Hungary.

There really is no limit to the size and mis-shape of the Romanian nose, and this phenomenon can be seen in the Middle East and India, too, which of course would explain why Romanians look the way they do.

The gypsy-related Indians;

They often have the typical very unflattering lower part of the nose that looks like a beak, not to mention the hooked shape.

To the left we see the Romanian nose that is so common there - three miles long and too large - on an Indian girl. The gypsy link.

Compare to Romanians;

Compare to Swedes;

Then we have the Romanians. There we see a more mixed bag, but the giant, hooked, and extremely long noses are so prevalent and common there that we must consider them part of the standard for Romania, rather than the exception.

You see them often in other countries with a large gypsy influence, like Hungary, for example.

Romanians;

Compare to Scandinavian girls;

More Romanians. There is no size limit when it comes to Romanian noses;

Compare to Italian woman. The swarthiness can be found in the South of Italy, but the huge, hooked noses seem to be more common in Romania, so the South Italian look is not as gypsy-like, even though the Middle Eastern style noses can be seen all over the Mediterranean;

Swedish girls;

Good-looking noses is the standard for both men and women in Sweden and Scandinavia.;

Swedish girl next to Middle Eastern type;

Swedish girl next to Eastern European type;

Romanians;

Iraqi woman;

Iranian woman;

Iraqi women. Feminine? I don't think so. The make-up only makes them look like transvestites. Middle Eastern women are very masculine.

Iranian women demonstrating;

And since Godis likes to bring up historical figures here is Romanian Vlad the Impaler (1431 -1476), the cruel ruler that was the inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula, of course.

Things haven't changed much, huh?;

Swedish girls;

Godis,

I never said the Middle Eastern type of nose is less "evolved". Nice strawman and attempt to shift the focus of the argument. I said it is unattractive and unappealing, which is something most people happen to agree with, also many Middle Easterners themselves. Iran is the nose job capital of the world. Coincidence?

Insofar as it is hardly the type of nose that would stand the test of sexual selection if Nordic girls were present in the Middle East in any larger numbers, one could in fact call it less evolved.

Evolution is to a large extent based on sexual selection, and since men usually prefer delicate and smaller Nordic type noses it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the huge and hooked Romanian- and Middle Eastern style noses would be less common.

Middle Eastern women know this and seek to fool their partners by faking it, aquiring a smaller, straighter, and more delicate nose than what nature gave them. It is all about making yourself more attractive to the opposite sex. Of course, their children will have the original type nose since plastic surgery isn't fooling evolution.

Iranian woman. A more and more common sight in the Middle East as more and more people want the Nordic nose. Erik's entry is spot-on.

Hey Emily, doubt you looked at this vid the first time, but watch it! It is pretty good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7DfLZAMAkE

You know nothing about Iran. Most women are not seeking to fool their partners as most women are forced into ARRANGED marriages. I doubt their looks play a very important part in the arrangement of a marriage. And "Iranian" isn't a race. It's a reference to a country in which different races of people live. Once again you are just posting pictures. Bring some data or stop acting like you have facts.

"Evolution is to a large extent based on sexual selection, and since men usually prefer delicate and smaller Nordic type noses it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the huge and hooked Romanian- and Middle Eastern style noses would be less common."

You have once again proven you know nothing about evolution. Traits are as a matter of course "mutations" suited to the environment. In other words there is some reason people have big noses. There was something years ago that gave people with big noses an edge for survival. As for their noses being less common. Don't be stupid Emily. There are many factors which influence population. If you can't ensure the survival of yourself or your child then what does it matter if you have the perfect nose? Dead is dead honey. Europeans by and large are having less children than the rest of the world. There's actually a negative birth rate for your country. So soon your noses will be less common. It's not some crazy conspiracy concocted by brown people either. Your kind just don't want kids anymore and I hope you are one of them.

"In other words there is some reason people have big noses. There was something years ago that gave people with big noses an edge for survival."

Bollocks. There is no need for huge, hooked noses. Look at blacks who live on the same continent with the same heat. They have probably had a little more free sexual selection process. I realize there are differences due to race (oh my, does race exist?) but even so, the smaller more delicate noses will win out in a free selection process since the desire is for the Nordic standard of beauty, whether unconsciously or not, that seems to be what men prefer.

Had there been women with smaller, finer noses the huge, hooked ones would be much less common. Israel is an excellent example. There, suddenly, we see blondes with fair skin and small noses. How extraordinary.. I'd say it is a result of North European kibbutz life style of the seventies and eighties. Evolution is happening really fast whenever access to Nordic girls is possible.

There you see what women Middle Eastern men really prefer, and it sure is not their own masculine, swarthy and large nosed women..

..but more like Helga, Greta and Stina.

There is a point, however, to the argument that free sexual selection has been very limited in the Middle East for I suppose a very long time, so that will in fact limit natural sexual selection, and therefore the natural evolution process. We have the unfeminine result in the Middle Eastern nose, I guess.

Godis, almost none of your examples have truly Semitic noses. Not even Einstein had a hooked nose, it seems, even though the tip of his nose grew very large as he grew old. Charles Darwin certainly didn't, so get your facts straight. Photos of an aged man with a nose that gets fleshier and bigger with age. Many Irish men have those types of noses as they are drinkers. Big noses are a masculine trait so that's why they can look good on MEN - not on women. I guess that's why nearly all your examples were of men.

Here Charles Darwin as a younger man.

As for Queen Victoria, she was actually not purely English at all. She had heavy..gasp..GERMAN genetic linkage, as well. As all royals she is ethnically mixed with different European peoples. Perhaps an indication that mixing is not always benefitting physical appearance. ;)

Alexander the Great, as portayed, has a Mediterranean nose - not a Semitic one. Are you suggesting he was Jewish? Are you Jewish, by the way? It sure would explain a hell of a lot since you seem to see a Nazi plot everywhere. You have taunted Erik many times on that issue, and since you are of Romanian and German ethnicity, but living in the US, it is not an unreasonable conclusion to make.

Emily, do you realize how redicoulous your claims sound when you post Asian-like Swedish?

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo62/picturesofswedes/006.jpg

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo62/picturesofswedes/Image24.jpg

And by the way, upward noses are not appealing to me, so stop screaming about what is beautiful and what is not! I'm really sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Look at this gourgeous brunette girl, she's halve Indian and halve English! That is the Nature's reward for sharing your genes with someone different than yourself. The gift is a superiour looking child, benefited from both sides.

http://buzz18.in.com/celeb/profileimage/katrina_kaif_001_300x356.jpg

Katrina Kaif is way better looking than all those girls on the photos you posted here.

Oh, and for your information the Indian Gypsies look like this:

http://www.clivegrylls.com/uploads/photos/india/portrait/500pix/16.jpg

That will be like a very good looking Swedish girl(according to your own standarts), huh?

...I wonder what is that bright eyed gilr doing in India and why is she called Gypsy?!

Hey everybody, VC here again. I decided to stop by the discussion boards once again and noticed Emily dumping more of her nordic worshipping propaganda again.

A few things I'd like to mention-

Contrary to Emily's insane ramblings about romanians being so ugly and swarthy and big nosed and hooked nose due to the influx of those terrible mud people gypsies, gypsies make up only a little under 2% of the population of Romania. And only arrived in Europe in the central middle ages. And gypsies also have a considerable amount of admixture from non-indian populations. Thus, one kind of wonders how Romanians have more projecting noses and a higher frequency of extreme convex types.

Oh, maybe it's just a result of physical similarity between europeans and middle easterners. But apparently dejected nordic fetishists like Emily think relatively more non-nordic traits that appear at a higher frequency in other populations is due to the intrusion of terrible mud people genes. And making full-blown judgements of the attractive value of a population going by purely by their current state and not considering the possibility of certain extreme ethnic traits- IE, looking at swedes, looking at their "gorgeous" noses, and ergo, assuming this is the end result of their ethnic traits and nothing else.

Of course, you have such a raging nordic fetish that you seem to worship any woman from sweden that remotely fits your hilariously narrow standards of beauty.

I mean goddamn, do you HONESTLY think people like these are moderately attractive, let alone highly attractive?:

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo62/picturesofswedes/swd003.jpg

To me, they have disproportionate, asymmetrical mouths, poorly structured lips, and rather long faces.

I'm not that impressed with the majority of the swedish women you spam the living hell out of, from night clubs, I'll again. Maybe it's just my own preferences. Maybe you need to realize, for once, that humans don't have such a hilariously narrow range of aestethics as you project- IE, reviling almost anything outside of these nordic goddesses you worship.

One of the many reasons why I doubt alot of these theories of sexual selection among humans.

By the way, slavs, going by Erik's post (like, right at the top of this page) have relatively more projecting and thicker noses than swedes, but don't seem to have any higher rate of convex noses than do northern europeans.

And don't seek any more plastic surgeries than do native swedes.

I also have no idea where you got the idea Vlad the Impaler contributed significantly- hell, if at all, to modern Romanians.

http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~emiller/vlad.html

"We do know that Vlad later married Ilona Szilagy, who was related to Matthias Corvinus, the king of Hungary who had placed Vlad under arrest following his escape from Wallachia in 1462. It appears that Corvinus made an arrangement with Vlad to restore him to his throne. To strengthen the bond, Vlad was offered a royal bride. After his death, Vlad's wife was left with his three sons. Mihnea, the eldest, was from his union with the Transylvanian noblewoman. He had two sons by his Hungarian wife -- Vlad, and a second whose name is unknown. Only Mihnea succeeded in gaining the Wallachian throne. During his brief rule from 1508-1509, he showed signs that he could be as atrocious as his infamous father; nicknamed "Mihnea the Bad," he is reputed to have cut off the noses and lips of his political enemies. He was assassinated in 1510 on the steps of a church in Sibiu.

According to genealogical research conducted by historians Radu Florescu and Raymond McNally (published in their 1989 book Dracula: Prince of Many Faces), the Romanian male line died out in 1632. As for the Hungarian lineage, the last male descendant died late in the sixteenth century, though a female line can be traced for an additional hundred years. As for indirect descendants, it has been verified that Professor Constantin Balaceanu-Stolnici of Bucharest is descended from Vlad Dracula's half-brother, Vlad the Monk. According to researchers at the Institute of Genealogy of the Romanian Academy, other claims are unsubstantiated."

Wow! So as far as we know, he had only THREE CHILDREN and the lineage is virtually DEAD except for one man.

There goes another one of your disgusting lies, like the idea of all these attractive east asians being mixed (a load of bullshit, AGAIN, due to the tiny number of whites in their countries). I also find it funny how you extrapolate his nose to romanian WOMEN, while at the same emphasizing how old men have larger noses.

I also don't see any problems with lighly convex noses, like Catherine Keener, who, ironically, is half-lebanese: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&q=catherine+keener&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20

I don't find her that attractive, but I think her nose is just fine. One wonders why she hasn't gotten plasic surgery when the hook to her nose is quite light.

Of course, the same holds true with concave nose extremities, which seem to be a more european trait than convex noses are.

But yeah, at the end of all this, I take it back- you really are an awful person. I really doubt, as Godis has said previously, that your anger could come from anti-white racism when you have this inane urge to voraciously trash on, lie about, exagerate etc. about non-nordic whites, especially romanians, slavs, and czechs.

No, I think it's some disgusting, hideously shallow little girl who reviles almost anything that falls outside of the hilariously overrated looks of her tiny little ethnic group. You can rot.

Hey Emily,

Who are you calling a fool? If you would know a little bit of something you would know that the ancient Romans were ethnically different than the modern day Italians, even the ones who live in Rome. Who is the fool now? And I am probably not half as educated as you are and I still know that dear.

I'd also like to add that the majority of "Romanians" you see in Italy are in fact Gypsies from Romania, NOT ROMANIANS from Romania. These Gypsies claim themselves solely "Romanian" so that the stigma of being Gypsies is not carried with them in their new country of residence. For you to believe them shows how ignorant you are of the way TRUE Romanians look. You are not the only ignorant one I have come across. I work with a transfer student from England and the first time he found out I was Romanian, he mentioned I did not look like a Gyspy. I told him I was not a Gyspy and he is extremely ignorant to think I was. He then proceeded to ask me out on a date. Haha. He is quite the character. His nickname for me to this day is "Jipsy" as he likes to spell it. It's his way of teasing me and showing me affection at the same time and I don't mind because thats cute:)

Oh the pictures the pictures the pictures. You post photos of women primarily mixed with Gypsy or women with just horrible noses. Although Romania has a higher frequencey of women with hooked noses than Sweden, it does not mean that all the women in Romania have convex noses. I certainly don't and I have to say that out of all the Romanian people I know (which is a lot) only a few have hooked noses and most of those are not even women. That leaves a good 96% of Romanian people I know that do not have hooked noses. These people do not even all come from the same region in Romania and they are quite different. We have some with blue eyes, some with green, some with brown, some with hazel, some who tan well, some who don't,some with blonde hair, some with dark brown, many who are tall, some who are just very short. What can I say? Not every population is as homogeneous as Sweden is.

I just don't understand why you have such a negative view of any other ethnicity besides your own. You even deny that German women have any good qualities now, because compared to Swedish women no one does. I disagree. I think Swedish women are attractive, but it is not like they do not have any faults. Jeez!

But either way

"Bollocks. There is no need for huge, hooked noses. Look at blacks who live on the same continent with the same heat. They have probably had a little more free sexual selection process. I realize there are differences due to race (oh my, does race exist?) but even so, the smaller more delicate noses will win out in a free selection process since the desire is for the Nordic standard of beauty, whether unconsciously or not, that seems to be what men prefer."

You don't read well do you? Go look up some of the data on those huge noses. Much like dark skin is an adaptation to living in an area which gets full sunlight (Europe gets less sunlight than Africa) huge hooked noses are also an adaptation. It's related to facial structure. As for them having a free sexual selection process....What do you smoke? Can we share? Furthermore, even if they did indeed have that freedom what makes you think they'd want to sleep with "Nordics" anyway? Most of the data I've seen regarding sexual selection tends to show that we as people tend to choose people similar to us in habit and culture. This is not true for all people (certainly not for myself since i choose to marry a white, blonde, blue eyed american male) but for most people it is true. Why would an "African" (I use it loosely since there are several different types in africa) want to sleep with a "Nordic" and father children with her when they have nothing in common? Oh that's right, they don't by and large. They mate with their own kind. Also arranged marriage is the norm across Africa as well.

But yes Race by and large is a social construction. All that truly remains are "genetic traits". race in and of itself is no matter as humans of all skintones, nose shapes, hair & eye colors, body types and personalities can indeed mate with each other. It's amazing.

"But yes Race by and large is a social construction. All that truly remains are "genetic traits". race in and of itself is no matter as humans of all skintones, nose shapes, hair & eye colors, body types and personalities can indeed mate with each other. It's amazing."

You confuse race with species.

Different races within a species can mate and produce offspring. That doesn't make them the same race.

I suppose you think it is OK for a siamese cat to mate with a Persian cat since there are no races. We should apply the same lies and nonsense to our cats and dogs too, then.

You have provided no proof for the need for a huge, hooked nose. Merely saying there must be a need for it otherwise it wouldn't exist, won't do. You have no evidence that supports the need for it. I have shown you that other peoples that live in similar conditions have small, or smaller noses without hooks.

As for pigmentation that is supported by scientific fact. Less pigmentation will undoubtedly increase the risk of cancer in sunny climates, so there is a point of having darker skin.

Namibia desert;

Wikipedia;

"Having endured arid or semi-arid conditions for at least 55 million years[2], it is considered to be the oldest desert in the world after the Atacama Desert in Chile. The Namib's aridity is caused by the descent of dry air of the Hadley Cell, cooled by the cold Benguela current along the coast. It has less than 10 mm (0.4 inches) of rain annually and is almost completely barren."

So, the oldest desert in the world. Let's take a look at the Namibian women. Surely they must have huge, hooked Semitic noses by now. After all, the climate and the environment is the same now as it was millions of years ago.

Namibia tribe people (from a BBC program);

Unless you wish to state that these people are so evolutionary backwards that they haven't yet developed the huge, hooked noses they need, you really have no case.

Other types of noses do very well in very dry, arid parts Africa. The hook doesn't serve any purpose. It's just a racial trait without any important, meaningful function, a piece of bone that can be easily removed, as Middle Easterners themselves have discovered. Had there been more free and natural sexual selection permitted in the Middle East evolution would have made these noses much more rare.

Since plastic surgery will make honest sexual selection impossible the problem with the hooked noses is not going to disappear. We see the same thing with mongoloid traits in Asians who undergo plastic surgery. Fooling your partner will instead make the problem permanent.

Before

After

Before

After

Very nice. The problem is the genes for the original noses are the ones they will carry on to their children.

Godis,

The photos I showed are of ordinary Romanian girls, not of gypsies. The Romanian girls would no doubt be deeply offended at such suggestions. Of course there is gypsy admixture in many Romanian girls. That is the problem.

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This is what Romanian girls often look like. Those are typical noses you see, not rare exceptions but the standard for a lot of people there.

The truth is that they have had a huge problem for a really long time with gypsy admixture there. That's what you get if one in ten is a gypsy. You can't expect no interference at all of the gene pool. Romania is named the "gypsy country" by Europeans, so it's not exactly a secret here that the people is gypsy-like. As usual, Americans seem more ignorant on the matters.

The truth is that there is no need to go to gypsies in order to find people with huge noses in Romania. Ethnic Romanians will do just fine. It is very tragic, but if one in ten is originally from India that's what you get if you wait long enough. Romania is extremely mixed, and ethnically more or less destroyed by the gypsies, in my opinion.

"It's just a racial trait without any important, meaningful function, a piece of bone that can be easily removed, as Middle Easterners themselves have discovered. Had there been more free and natural sexual selection permitted in the Middle East evolution would have made these noses much more rare."

Firstly, you cannot remove BONE from someones face. You don't know anything about plastic surgery either. You really are just stupid. You can't just state "I have a preference" you have to be a narcissistic twat and pretend EVERYONE feels the same way you do. You never addressed the culture argument. The data is quite clear. Most people tend to partner with people like themselves. No, African males are not likely to mate with Nordics. They are more likely to mate with a female from their cultural pool. I gave you a hint, you took no steps to educate yourself. Those huge, hooked noses actually correspond with a larger skull and a bigger brain. As for those being "semetic" noses. You've got to be joking. Have you seen every semetic person on this planet? I've met plenty without the hooked nose. Furthermore I am not confusing race with species and I think it is perfectly fine for a Persian cat to boink a Siamese cat. Either way it's a fucking cat.

"The truth is that they have had a huge problem for a really long time with gypsy admixture there. That's what you get if one in ten is a gypsy. You can't expect no interference at all of the gene pool. Romania is named the "gypsy country" by Europeans, so it's not exactly a secret here that the people is gypsy-like. As usual, Americans seem more ignorant on the matters."

And what is wrong with being a gypsy you racist twat?

When people get desperate they all of sudden starts to say that nordics have asian alike noses and that european genius have semitic like nose. It happens when they can't disprove the aesthetically superiority of nordics.

Emily, which I support, isn't aiming on the longness of the nose. She isn't saying that semites and gypsies have ugly nose because they are long, rather because of their ugly shape.

compare:

nordic with long nose vs mediterranean men

This board isn't about inteligence. Bring whatever you want. Saying that nordics are blond japanese and less inteligent than semites will not change the fact that asians and jews are pretty uglier. This board is about aesthetic.

I can barely understand a word of what you say. I hope your are attractive because it would seem you are an idiot. If you were ugly i'd have to say you have no redeeming qualities.

Pretty Vs. Ugly is entirely subjective. You will find plenty of people who find a woman with a large nose attractive. Attractiveness is not a zero sum game.

Emily:

I believe it's certain desert climates that produce certain nose types. Plus, those namibians only arrived there in the last couple thousand years. If you really disagree with all of this basic evolutionary evidence that says that having convex nose bridges correlates with certain climate types, take it up with actual scientists. I'd leave your astounding bigotry behind you for that, though.

"Very nice. The problem is the genes for the original noses are the ones they will carry on to their children."

That can apply to trait that undergoes plastic surgery. I don't see why you won't shut up about this.

"It's just a racial trait without any important, meaningful function, a piece of bone that can be easily removed, as Middle Easterners themselves have discovered. Had there been more free and natural sexual selection permitted in the Middle East evolution would have made these noses much more rare."

Many of these theories of sexual selection in relation to humans are really, really spurious. There's little evidence of there being less sexual selection amongst middle easterns than among europ- oops, I mean the nordic goddesses.

If there was greater selection for feminine beauty among nordics, why aren't

"The photos I showed are of ordinary Romanian girls, not of gypsies. The Romanian girls would no doubt be deeply offended at such suggestions. Of course there is gypsy admixture in many Romanian girls. That is the problem.

The truth is that they have had a huge problem for a really long time with gypsy admixture there. That's what you get if one in ten is a gypsy. You can't expect no interference at all of the gene pool. Romania is named the "gypsy country" by Europeans, so it's not exactly a secret here that the people is gypsy-like. As usual, Americans seem more ignorant on the matters."

Less than 3% doesn't even approach "1 in 10". The gypsies only arrived in the central middle ages in Europe. They've frequently been ostracized and despised throughout much of Europe. If possible, show me evidence of their being massive roma ancestry in romanians, who have picked up genes from many other populations, if possible.

Once again, you're completely full of shit. You are a liar, astoundingly close minded and disturbingly elitist and ethnocentric. I really do wonder what went on in your life for you to revile so many people outside of your tiny little ethnicity almost purely on the basis of your disgustingly narrow perception of aestethics, that you love to prove by spamming the same photos OVER and OVER and OVER and extrapolate to the "average looks" of massive populations. Maybe you always have been such a spiteful little troglodyte.

Not a single bit of this would make the slightest impression on you, though.

Rawr:

I genuinely don't understand where you get this idea that having a convex nose correlates with intelligence. You look at a few white male geniuses with hooked noses and extrapolate this. Uh huh.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

Can I ask what your ancestry and background is? Going by your nordic fetishism, nationalist slant, and defense of Emily, I assume you're scandinavian yourself, but I find it odd that you'd have such a poor grasp of the english language with such a background. Many scandinavians on the internet are much better educated than yourself. You just remind me of many of these creepy, white nationalist europeans with bad english I see around.

And considering how male beauty is much more variable than female beauty, it's pretty funny for you to extrapolate this so heavily to male middle easterners and the like. No, it's downright hilarious when so many of you nordic fetishists go on about the looks of white males.

In a sentence that accidentally got cut off, I meant to say:

If there was greater selection for feminine beauty among nordics, why aren't nordic males, by proxy, feminine as well? They aren't. Why do nordic fetishists rarely address this?

"Rawr:

I genuinely don't understand where you get this idea that having a convex nose correlates with intelligence. You look at a few white male geniuses with hooked noses and extrapolate this. Uh huh."

Wrong poster. I didn't post that. Go look again. I stated most of the noses go with larger skulls and larger brains. This does not equate to higher intelligence. I have nothing invested in convex, concave, flat, nebulous or whatever noses. I have never posted a pictures on this website.

If there was greater selection for feminine beauty among nordics, why aren't nordic males, by proxy, feminine as well? They aren't. Why do nordic fetishists rarely address this?

Because nordics are blessed.

When people can't argue against a fact, they start to trash other's english, to call them white nationalist and nordic fetishist.

I'm not nordic.

However, does one has to be nordic in order to worship nordic beauty?

I'm honest with myself. Germanic people, on average, are a category apart concerning beauty

If I were worshiping japanese "beauty", nobody would pick on me.

The problem is not what you like. The problem at hand is your narcissistic mindset that simply because YOU like something EVERYONE feels the same way. This toxic mode of thought convinces you somehow everyone else is deranged because they don't agree with you. You cannot scientifically prove subjective values. it is your opinion nordics look better than germans but you cannot scientifically prove this. You can post as many pictures as you want but you can prove nothing.

Rawr: Sorry.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"Because nordics are blessed."

Incredible reasoning. Invoke some kind of quasi-mystical explanation that flies in the face of every single sane measurement of inheritance of physical traits sexual dimorphism.

That male swedish body builder? Yeah, he's gonna pump out a much more feminine looking woman than what would be expected of any other male of any other ethnic ground because goddamn, nordics are blessed!

"When people can't argue against a fact, they start to trash other's english, to call them white nationalist and nordic fetishist."

The idea that "nordics are blessed" is some mystical thinking that isn't an argument. It's just something insane line of reasoning that you're throwing out to explain away something hilariously incosistent with these near-religious ideals of nordic beauty.

Maybe it's because the "beauty" of nordic women is insanely overrated and, while they might be abit better than other european women on the basis of perhaps slightly greater facial symmetry, a lower frequency of heavily projecting or rugged or overtly convex noses, that's nothing special. Plus, one can make much better judgements upon their average physical attractiveness than the vast majority of other populations here because of how tiny they are in number. (only about 3 million women are this attractive on average?)

I haven't debated you much, because you're not as prominent as Emily. Maybe that's why you think I'm resorting to emotional arguments. I criticize your english because that gets *really* obnoxious in online debate when someone only meagerly understands the language they're debating in. And I call you a white nationalist for good reason- you seem to be one, or atleast some kind of racialist with quite a few of the things here, especially when you've made references to Dienekes Pontikos and the parody website Medhammer. As for nordic fetishism, well, I think that should be self-explanatory. And not something you should profess to. (but do)

"I'm not nordic."

Ok, so what are you?

"However, does one has to be nordic in order to worship nordic beauty?"

No, but I don't too often see non-whites saying these kinds of things, unless you're indian.

"I'm honest with myself. Germanic people, on average, are a category apart concerning beauty"

You have much of the same mindset as Emily and you call that "honest"? Yeah, sure. Now you're extrapolating this to germanic people at large? Weird, because I thought it was the nordic subset who had this inhuman beauty. I'm of largely germanic, northern european descent myself, and having lived around white women my entire life, I think their average looks are overrated as hell.

"If I were worshiping japanese "beauty", nobody would pick on me."

....As I've said many times, and as Rawr says as well (albeit I don't follow his views of things being so "subjective") you'd probably be less likely to be picked on if you were saying the same thing about japanese women, but to say not at all? And so much less likely? Yeah right.

If you were merely stating your opinion and giving reasons why east asians appeal to you more and mention why you might see dissent etc. then people would probably not lash out at you, if at all. But if you went on some sick nationalist slant like Emily does, but from an asiaphile perspective, saying white women look like pasty-skinned neanderthals that age like hell, and treat this as some intrinsic feature of their ethnic traits, as a unviersal consideration to human beauty etc. then I doubt you wouldn't get some people shouting you down.

People like Emily, however, go out of their minds when you criticize nordics in the least, even when it's in the most non-biased manner imaginable.

Even you mouth some pretty bizzare beliefs in the cases of things like this. (arabs have kinky hair? arabs have african admixture? uh, no.)

And in regards to Rawr:

"You can post as many pictures as you want but you can prove nothing."

What if people like Emily and Callmewhateveryouwant somehow- and I mean hypothetically- posted pictures of every german compared to every swede and swedes came out on top under some large scale measurements? Poor point to make.

However, as it stands now, the anthropological data and reasoning is poorly organized to allow for a site like this to allow anything in the way of truly objective comparisons of beauty across ethnic groups and the like. This site isn't done that well either. Considering how Erik virtually never lists his credentials and has some pretty big political biases and does this site on such an independent venture, I don't see how this site was meant to do much. Plus, it's atrociously moderated. People like Emily have this insane urge to turn virtually any discussion on here into something about race.

"What if people like Emily and Callmewhateveryouwant somehow- and I mean hypothetically- posted pictures of every german compared to every swede and swedes came out on top under some large scale measurements? Poor point to make."

Here's the problem: Whose measurements do we use? Are those measurements objective? Do those measurements simply reflect the view points of the "dominant" culture? "Beauty" is not a construction of nature persay. It's a philosophy in truth. What is beautiful to one is not beautiful to another. There are correlates of good health but these are rather varied. There are certain things favored among human bodies such as symmetry and good proportion but it isn't a zero sum game as I said before. Witness Fabio, by most "measures" quite attractive. Yet he's just the butt of a joke more often than not.

If you could actually show some measures not affected by the dominant culture (anglo-saxon,white, western, whatever you want to call it) then i might buy your argument and eat my crow. But truthfully speaking we've all got bigger problems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

Well, you should be abit clearer then. I agree with you, and I've voiced my opinions on many of these issues before elsewhere here. I've listed a good deal of preferences of beauty amongst pre-western contact japanese, and african opinions on albinos (who, for some reason I'm not sure of, have skin color, the majority of the time, identical to the ligher varieties of normal european skin color) for example, and I get nothing but denial or just ignorance.

Most of the people posting are very Euro-centric. They haven't seen much of the world beyond their own backyard. I chalk most of this denial up to egotism. They need to feel superior to others in some way.

VC, your awesome! Glad your back!

The idea that "nordics are blessed" is some mystical thinking that isn't an argument. It's just something insane line of reasoning that you're throwing out to explain away something hilariously incosistent with these near-religious ideals of nordic beauty.

I have brought tons of pictures and comparative examples to show why I stand for nordic beauty.

Yeah, sure. Now you're extrapolating this to germanic people at large? Weird, because I thought it was the nordic subset who had this inhuman beauty.

Germanic and nordic correlate. All germanic people are either mixed with nordic or nordic proper.

Maybe it's because the "beauty" of nordic women is insanely overrated

Nordics are not overrated. Nothing in this world gets more overrated than italians.

If you were merely stating your opinion and giving reasons why east asians appeal to you more and mention why you might see dissent etc. then people would probably not lash out at you, if at all.

I have never heard a person saying that they preffer asians because they have sunken noses and flat faces.

that's why the asian pictures brought by the opposition deviate so much from the average.

""Maybe it's because the "beauty" of nordic women is insanely overrated"

Nordics are not overrated. Nothing in this world gets more overrated than italians."

So true, slavic women and models are also overrated, it's like, your countries are HUGE, of course you manage to produce some models. And slavic "beauty" is SO overrated, it's not BEAUTIFUL. All the really beautiful russian women and models(the one who don't look extreamly slavic like the people real Russia) have traits from the swedish vikings who settled there.

HOW can you even compare slavic "beauty". LOL the second one won Miss World, can you belive that??:
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And btw, haha, I found this on a russian pride site. Above it said "The mysterious charm of russian beauty". And this is SO OBVIOUSLY nordic beauty, a woman who decent from the north orginally. She looks like the type example of a nordic person with scandinavian cheekbones and everything. Ironic.
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It's only bigoted morons that would cherry pick photoshopped pictures and claim that they're really swedes.

Here are my favourite Swedish beauties. Enjoy! Hahahaha

Swedish beauty Malena Ernman

Malena

Lovely Nordic Blonde

Blonde beauty

Wow you truly are a lovely person :).

Btw, those where nordic models, artists and such, NOT photoshoped. The only picture which is remade is the sixth,(the girl isn't remade) and it's only the colours and tones that has bin changes becuase it's photo art.

Yeah, I knoow, normal swedish girls are SOOO ugly:
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Btw, those where nordic models, artists and such, NOT photoshoped. The only picture which is remade is the sixth,(the girl isn't remade) and it's only the colours and tones that has bin changes becuase it's photo art.

Ignore him. He's just trolling. Even he (she) probally doesn't believe in what he's talking about himself.

Other Emily: Thank you.

Callmewhateveryouwant

"I have brought tons of pictures and comparative examples to show why I stand for nordic beauty."

Which doesn't compare to you saying "nordics are blessed".

"Nordics are not overrated. Nothing in this world gets more overrated than italians."

Only in your view. In MY opinion, white women in general, both in terms of "averages" and those deemed attractive, are very overrated.

"I have never heard a person saying that they preffer asians because they have sunken noses and flat faces."

Alot of asians, both modern and pre-contact, have knocked on the looks of whites by saying things like them having "big noses". These things are pretty relative to me, but at times, when you compare an attractive east asian ethnic nose to an attractive nordic ethnic nose, the nordic nose type just stypes me as being too sharp, at times.

"that's why the asian pictures brought by the opposition deviate so much from the average."

Ok, here's some examples, which I've posted before (but only showed up as a link because I was using IE). But, I should note that I don't find all of these women highly attractive, and especially moderately attractive, but they have general ethnic features that IMO, look just fine, and bring to mind how some people, a month ago, were screaming at how east asians aren't more feminine, ON AVERAGE, than whites, one example of them having big, rugged heads. (even though the overall ruggedness didn't differ)

First off, jaw and cheekbone size has NOTHING to do with overall femininity or masculinity. As shown on this site, the neoteny that affected human evolution did so primarily with the shape of the cranium, not the face. I've been in communication with a prominent LA plastic surgeon via email on some of these issues, and he agrees with that point- it's just that certain sizes of the cheekbones are more prone to certain facial shape extremities, IE overtly around faces amongst east asians, overtly long, narrow faces amongst whites etc.

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A few other things to mention- not all of these women have good noses, or symmetrical facial features, or good teeth, but the trend is clear in terms of femininity having *nothing* to do with jaw and cheekbone size, along with these general ethnic traits looking just fine.

I didn't make these collages. The women in the first collage, well, some of them look like teenagers, and the inclusion of Donald Rumsfeld is obviously a joke. I'm just mainly making a point about general ethnic features (nose structure, mandibular structure and facial size etc.) in contrast to how the "opposition" supposedly only shows very white looking asians.

And finally Callmewhateveryouwant, just what is your ethnic background?

Cecilia:

Dear god. At first I thought you were Emily, but I don't know. Maybe you really are befitting of the moniker "Emily clone". The general behavior, the hardcore nordic elitism, the idiotic comments about european history.

I mean GOD, look what you said awhile back:

" Submitted by Cecilia on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 09:30.

Sorry but germans are known for having ugly noses...

The typical german look:"

The typical german look you post here is only SEVEN WOMEN. You nordic fetishists are so extreme that you'll even attack people even closer to you than slavs, romanians, etc. You people are beyond repugnant.

In regards to your overall comment, though:

"So true, slavic women and models are also overrated, it's like, your countries are HUGE, of course you manage to produce some models. And slavic "beauty" is SO overrated, it's not BEAUTIFUL."

Yeah, it's so HUGE, and yet you scumbags like to make such freakish generalizations about their average attractiveness, compared to the tiny, tiny population of Sweden.

Tell me, what are your opinions on the beauty of Danes, Norwegians, and Icelanders? I never see the nordic fetishists say much of them.

"All the really beautiful russian women and models(the one who don't look extreamly slavic like the people real Russia) have traits from the swedish vikings who settled there."

Show some proof that there were major viking incursions centuries ago into Russia, and that the physical traits from them managed to propogate amongst the so-called "better looking" russian women. I doubt you can. Much like Emily's ideas of so many attractive east asians being mixed (which is impossible to prove, because there's no basis for it), the idea of romanians having a bunch of gypsy admixture, czechs being quite ugly in reality and only looking better because of germanic introgression. (oh, but fellow nordic fetishist cecilia thanks germans are "well known" for having ugly noses.)

"HOW can you even compare slavic "beauty". LOL the second one won Miss World, can you belive that??:"

Considering how international beauty pageants are dominated by homosexual men with crude notions of female beauty (which Erik seems to have documented well enough), I don't see how this is representative of slavs at large.

Unless you want to be consistent with this idiocy and use all of the androgynous white models, largely from america, which is largely of northern european extraction, as representative of "white beauty". (oh, i forgot- since alot of us white americans are of german descent, we must have ugly noses too! what now?)

"With nordic beauty:"

How do you even know all of these women are of nordic descent? The first 2 look quite manly- in fact, the first one has a pretty obvious browridge.

The third woman is seen at a poor angle, with poor lighting, so I can't make much of her.

The fourth woman is pretty, but doesn't appeal too much to me.

The fifth woman isn't anything special, and has some pretty unattractive lips.

The sixth woman's photo has terrible lighting. I can barely make her face out. The lighting makes her look like she has rosacea.

The seventh woman isn't very attractive and looks rather masculine.

The eight woman is also unattractive and looks kind of like these "slavic beauties" you deride.

But yeah, I must be some kind of asian fetishist pedophile to not see the universal beauty of these nordic demigodesses. (which you give NO EVIDENCE a single one of them is scandinavian)

I am a racist idiot: You contribute nothing to these conversations. I mean my god, the second woman you post is a blatant photoshop. Are you retarded?

Cecilia again:

"Btw, those where nordic models, artists and such, NOT photoshoped. The only picture which is remade is the sixth,(the girl isn't remade) and it's only the colours and tones that has bin changes becuase it's photo art."

Proof?

"Yeah, I knoow, normal swedish girls are SOOO ugly:"

The first woman is average, and has a large jaw and large cheekbones. (hey, a trait typical to east asians.)

The second woman... jesus, do you consider her attractive? She has poor lips and poorly complexioned skin. Her cheekbones look kind of masculine too.

The third woman, her mouth is MASSIVE and VERY unbalanced compared to the rest of her face. Not a good trait IMO.

The fourth girl has a rather snubbed nose and her chin doesn't seem too prominent. Either way, not attractive to me.

The fifth girl looks average, and the lighting is poor. I also seem to nice acne.

The sixth woman is taken at a rather poor angle, and doesn't look that great to me even then.

The sixth woman is cute, but not much to my liking.

The seventh woman is seen at nothing more than a profile shot, and even then she looks rather masculine.

The 8th picture is just some people at a dinner table, and I can't make out their faces well.

Another victory for Swedish beauty!

Only in your view. In MY opinion, white women in general, both in terms of "averages" and those deemed attractive, are very overrated.

I wonder what's not overrated in your opinion.

Alot of asians, both modern and pre-contact, have knocked on the looks of whites by saying things like them having "big noses". These things are pretty relative to me, but at times, when you compare an attractive east asian ethnic nose to an attractive nordic ethnic nose, the nordic nose type just stypes me as being too sharp, at times.

Whites indeed have big (high) noses. So far most of the pictures brought by the opposition display surgically altered asians with a somehow higher nose bridge.

Even the asian girls that you are showing don't have that flat nose. Well, I will not affirm that they had plastic surgery, but I can affirm that there is a correlation between a higher nose and beauty. Somehow your asian girls approach a more ainu look; hence, a vague caucasian resemblance.

than whites, one example of them having big, rugged heads. (even though the overall ruggedness didn't differ)

It's ridiculous. Of course they have oversized heads.

And finally Callmewhateveryouwant, just what is your ethnic background?

I'm not supposed to say.

The typical german look you post here is only SEVEN WOMEN. You nordic fetishists are so extreme that you'll even attack people even closer to you than slavs, romanians, etc. You people are beyond repugnant.

Back in time germans used to be fully nordic corcerning "race". All get messed up when a bunch of melon headed polish and slavics got inside. Northern germans are nordics (althoug going to be extinct too) and southern germans are submitted dinarics and alpines. Eastern germans are mixed with slavic.

Another victory for Swedish beauty!

Another victory for envy.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"I wonder what's not overrated in your opinion."

It's hard to explain.

"Whites indeed have big (high) noses. So far most of the pictures brought by the opposition display surgically altered asians with a somehow higher nose bridge."

True. The "opposition" in this regard isn't particularly well informed. Then again, neither is the nordic worshipping side.

"Even the asian girls that you are showing don't have that flat nose."

It depends on what you define as "that flat nose". Very flat noses with almost no projection are more common among east asians, certainly. Then again, strongly projecting noses are more common caucasoid populations, nordic, mediterranean, middle eastern etc. regardless. I believe such a trait is a typical ethnic extremity of all such populations, but I'm not sure how to quantify that at this point.

"Well, I will not affirm that they had plastic surgery,"

Good. I won't either.

"but I can affirm that there is a correlation between a higher nose and beauty."

Perhaps, but what if the nose is too high, as seen with a woman like this?

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Of course it could be another aspect of her nose that makes it appear too masculine. It'd only be possible to get an idea of this if one looked at the physiological limits of nose bridge height among humans and see where you can go from there. But I don't really know. The sort of "low nose bridge" I see amongst east asians doesn't look bad at all to me. East asians frequently spoke lowly of the higher nose bridges seen among whites.

"Somehow your asian girls approach a more ainu look; hence, a vague caucasian resemblance."

I don't really see this. Plus, ainu more closely resemble native americans. They higher nose bridges sure, but their noses are generally about as "flat" as the japanese. I have seen a number of ainu with heavily projecting noses, however. A "vague" cacausian appearance, perhaps, but this comes back to how these sorts of discussions assume europeans, specifically northern europeans, don't have their own ethnic extremities.

I will repeat- it is not wrong to say that one ethnic group is more attractive than another, but what is of interest is how many ethnic features of a particular ethnic group will be "lost" in a universal beauty standard, however that may be defined.

"It's ridiculous. Of course they have oversized heads."

Again. This is an aspect of body symmetry. It's been detailed extensively on this site before. A woman with a large head on a small body will have an "oversized head", but on a proportionately larger, taller body, it'll look just fine. Vice versa holds true with a woman with a small head.

Plus, I was mainly addressing how some people, like you, were saying their larger jaws and cheekbones make a face more masculine. (they don't.)

"I'm not supposed to say."

Why?

"Back in time germans used to be fully nordic corcerning "race". All get messed up when a bunch of melon headed polish and slavics got inside. Northern germans are nordics (althoug going to be extinct too) and southern germans are submitted dinarics and alpines. Eastern germans are mixed with slavic."

What do you mean by melon headed? How do you quantify these kinds of migrations? Whether or not poles and slavs or whatever have more prominent, or more overtly convex noses doesn't matter in terms of ethnic features among whites, as I've said before.

"Another victory for envy."

No, these are my honest opinions. Maybe some of these women really are considered highly attractive by a good deal of people, but not so much to me.

Oh hey, differing tastes. And I genuinely doubt a number of those women can even be considered moderately attractive. Plus, some of those photos were of poor quality.

By the way- I found an interesting diagram detailing the differences in browridge size between asians and europeans, as seen here: http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Mongoloideyes.jpg

Which I remember Emily furiously denying when I brought up.

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"The typical german look you post here is only SEVEN WOMEN. You nordic fetishists are so extreme that you'll even attack people even closer to you than slavs, romanians, etc. You people are beyond repugnant."

I've bin to Germany many times and you know, even though we're both germanic, we DO NOT LOOK exactly the same. There are small differances in the nordic countries also(in Finland there are bigger differances of course since they are a baltic people to some extent), but that takes a person coming from here to see.
Attack? Some germans are really beautiful and I like the people, but their noses are on average are not very beautiful. VERY few people in the north think they resembe germans, and as a foreigner you don't see that because everything looks the same to you as long as it's blonde, white and blue-eyed doesn't it? It was a response to Visitor(Godis)'s post:""If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point"
This is simply not true. German women or Irish women for example do not have robust noses on average. If you were to compare the Germans and the Swedes, the Swedes would have more robust noses. This is the conclusion I draw from the analysis of Emily's photos and photos in general of Swedes on the net."

And C'mon swedes have more robust noses than germans? Well i'm guessing you just took my part out so you could twist and turn this your angle.
I agree with Callmewhateveryouwant's theory. The biggest mass rape ever occcured efter World war two in Germany when the russians got revenge by raping all the girls and women so it's not very strange that has affected the bloodlines and looks of people.

Btw, "EVEN CLOSER"??? If you belive slavs and romanians are close to nothern people you must be crazy.

"Tell me, what are your opinions on the beauty of Danes, Norwegians, and Icelanders? I never see the nordic fetishists say much of them"

They look so extreamly alike to us swedes that we don't even bring them up individually. That's why we say nothern people and not swedish people...if you haven't understood that yet lol. We would be dumb if we and you(well since you did it not meaning the rest of the north you are kind of dumb) kept on saying "nordic people" when we only meant swedish people. The reason for example Emily takes swedish girls as examples is that swedish people are the climax of the nordic race. Most people here are beautiful.

"Show some proof that there were major viking incursions centuries ago into Russia, and that the physical traits from them managed to propogate amongst the so-called "better looking" russian women."

Swedish vikings created Kiev and is from them the name "Russia" comes from becuase they were called "Rus" becuase they came from "Roslagen" which lays in the north of Sweden.
Well if you look at the original slavic look, dark hair, dark eyes the rough jawline and so on it's very obvious that they have bin improved with swedish blonde hair and blue eyes and the finer nordic draws.

"Proof"
The photo art photo comes from a danish "viking art" photographer called njordfoto and the woman(which I strongly belive is her) is in MANY of her other photos and she is just as beautiful there. Belive it or not, but we have actual beautiful people here in Scandinavia.

http://www.myspace.com/njordfoto

The rest are NORDIC models from nordic model companies, famous swedish people or other pictures taken from nordic websites who own them.

You know? Nobody really cares if ypu find these women unattractive because I know they are. For the amateur photos, they are of average swedish people with beauty, the girl who you said had acne and a large jaw and such is a teen model. She had many beautiful photos on her blogg with I don't show you.

You know what? I can post hundreds an hundreds of photos and you still won't agree with me because you are so obviously jealus of that most people here have an average beauty and that there are so many extreamly beautiful people here.

These girls goes to my school of 200 people(the second girl is swedish/greek):

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Funny thing is that almsost no one in her class knows she(the last girl, i'm not saying her name)is a model in new yourk and like famous, a guy from the class under mine were hanging out with me and my friends one day and he found out and he didn't belive us. He was shocked.

Oooops I read through my text and saw what big spelling errors it contained.

I know for example that it's spelled "extreamly" and OF COURSE I know it's spelled "New York".

I'm too sloppy with my spelling even though I know what's right and which formulation that sounds better.

Oops I did it again.

*extremely
*you
*famous
*it is from them the name "Russia" comes from. They were called "Rus" because they came from "Roslagen" which lies in the north of Sweden.
*which I haven't shown you

Well, I guess you still understand what I'm saying.

"Funny thing is that almsost no one in her class knows she(the last girl, i'm not saying her name)is a model in new yourk and like famous, a guy from the class under mine were hanging out with me and my friends one day and he found out and he didn't belive us. He was shocked."
Jesus Christ have I become 5 years old?

*A funny thing is that almost no one in her class, knows she(the last girl, I'm not telling you her name) is a model in New York and sort of famous. And nobody knew she hanged out with big swedish musicians. A guy from the class below mine was haning out with me and my friends in school one day not long ago and in some way we started talking about her being a model. At first he didn't believe us but then we showd him modelling photos and compared them with the ones on her facebook and he got very shocked.

Grr I'm driving myself crazy, I write too fast. I'll just let it be now, and I don't care if you criticize my spelling. :P

Cecilia,

The last pictures you posted are of girls who don't look ethnically like Swedes. Not the blond ones, and not the last one, of course. The blonde girl looks very Eastern European (The face shape, "puffy Asiatic" cheeks, weak chin, lower, somewhat slanting forehead, and the typical olive eye colour you find among E. Europeans or S. Europeans) and the other one looks like she might have black admixture. Very weird non-descript face.

I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here, but it was not representative photos at all, unless your intent was to show ethnically mixed people.

"The last pictures you posted are of girls who don't look ethnically like Swedes. Not the blond ones, and not the last one, of course. The blonde girl looks very Eastern European (The face shape, "puffy Asiatic" cheeks, weak chin, lower, somewhat slanting forehead, and the typical olive eye colour you find among E. Europeans or S. Europeans) and the other one looks like she might have black admixture. Very weird non-descript face.

I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here, but it was not representative photos at all, unless your intent was to show ethnically mixed people."

I know she looks russian xD. My point was'nt for those last pictures to be reprensentive but to show athat we have 2 big models in my tiny tiny school and that says something about the north. (That models and very beautiful people are so common here). I've always thought she looks like a russian too but she's not of russian heritage strangely. Which also can prove how various looks people in Sweden can have. The other girl is just so increadably pretty and I love her lips. Well I guess that's her gift as a half greek half swede. :)

As for the slanting forehead it is most often seen on non-Nordic women of Eastern and South European descent, and of course in the Middle East, which attributes to their overall masculine appearance.

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Regarding Asian noses, they qualify only when they approach the Nordic nose in appearance, and this is proven by the fact that the Asian fetishists here often post photos of Asians with noses that have a non-typically high nose bridge.

As we all know the typical Asian nose is flat from the side, with a very weak nose bridge, and is often also too broad, especially on South East Asians.

All you do is make the case that the mongoloid nose shape is unattractive, and noses that look more Nordic and less asian are more appealing on Asians. So, where does that contradict Erik's conclusions here, VC? Asian promoters' own argument in fact supports it. lol

What you do is saying "we can have good nose bridges too". Sure, but it is hardly the norm, or what most asians have. In fact, creating a nose bridge is one of the absolutely most popular plastic surgeries on Asians.

The photos VC posted look like a gallery of pubescent girls that might attract white pedophiles. Rather creepy.
By the way, I noticed the very unappealing greenish-yellowish skin colour asians often have in more natural, candid photos, so it makes sense to use that artificial lighting they love as it completely conceals their true skin tone.

Romanian women with slanting foreheads. Very common. It does look masculine, I think, and tend to make the typically Romanian large and hooked nose look even bigger.

Some have a finer and more "Nordic" face shape with better forehead and chin development, and they could have looked so much better with a smaller nose. The large nose seems to be very persistent. So many have them. An over-sized nose can look OK on men since they are masculine, but not on women.

Here we also see the typical olive eye colour that many of them call "green". It is not typical for Scandinavians but rather frequently seen in Mediterranean people and Romanians..

I'm kinda trying to figure out why Emily keeps bringing up specifically Romanian women? It's like she has something against me and thinks that if she posts photos up of unattractive Romanian women with big noses, it must mean I am an unattractive Romanian woman with a big nose or something.

Luckily, I don't take any of that crap personally because well its kind of hard to since Emily never saw me before. But it seems Emily takes everything anyone says against Swedes personally, so she feels she has to attack other people by trying to insult their ethnicity.

It's also funny how Emily and Cecilia will trash German women too. haha No one is as good as the Swedes are they?

Whats funny is that Emily thinks a fellow Swede looks Russian. She just doesn't understand the reason many Scandinavians look that way is because they too, just like Russians do, have a non-Nordic element to their features because they are not 100% Nordic! I doubt you will find any population that is pure. Even the supposed purest of the pure have Asiatic admixture! Haha 10% Non-Nordic to be exact. That's kind of large considering their supposed "pureness".

And Cecilia has mentioned that Scandinavians do not look like Germans even though they are Germanic! DUH! They have a whole different Asiatic element to them taht Germans do not display or do so on a lower frequency. You will find less Germans with what seems to be a type of epicanthal folds, or that round face you so often actually DO see among SCANDINAVIANS!

And the VIKINGS are known for being very tall, husky, big boned, and hairy btw. That's including the women...

Cecilia:

"I've bin to Germany many times and you know, even though we're both germanic, we DO NOT LOOK exactly the same. There are small differances in the nordic countries also(in Finland there are bigger differances of course since they are a baltic people to some extent), but that takes a person coming from here to see.
Attack? Some germans are really beautiful and I like the people, but their noses are on average are not very beautiful. VERY few people in the north think they resembe germans,"

That's alot different from *you* saying "germans are known for having ugly noses". You know, saying it's common knowledge their noses are ugly compared to swedes or whatever, and backing this up with.... seven photos.

"and as a foreigner you don't see that because everything looks the same to you as long as it's blonde, white and blue-eyed doesn't it?"

As a foreigner, my perspective is more limited, certainly. But I'm not going around taking a few dozen photos and making insane generalizations of a country or an entire ethnic group based on them.

"It was a response to Visitor(Godis)'s post:""If swedish girls have robust nose, than the noses of other girls are even more robust. That's the point"
This is simply not true. German women or Irish women for example do not have robust noses on average. If you were to compare the Germans and the Swedes, the Swedes would have more robust noses. This is the conclusion I draw from the analysis of Emily's photos and photos in general of Swedes on the net.
And C'mon swedes have more robust noses than germans? Well i'm guessing you just took my part out so you could twist and turn this your angle.""

So you'll get back at her with an equal amount of bigotry?

"I agree with Callmewhateveryouwant's theory. The biggest mass rape ever occcured efter World war two in Germany when the russians got revenge by raping all the girls and women so it's not very strange that has affected the bloodlines and looks of people."

When did he present this crude theory? How many of those rapes were aborted? Do you have any real evidence that this had an actual effect on their looks?

It's funny how you'd invoke a typical racial nationalist slant of a supposedly less attractive foreign element raping a better looking people, except this time with WHITES. No, it's actually kind of deranged. As I've said before, it's inane to treat the ethnic features of one white ethnic group as some kind of impermeable element and not just a natural expression of extreme ethnic traits amongst whites everywhere. (IE if russians do somehow have less attractive noses than swedes on average)

"Btw, "EVEN CLOSER"??? If you belive slavs and romanians are close to nothern people you must be crazy."

I never said slavs and romanians were that close to northern people. (but they are, overall, since europeans are all quite closely related.) I just found it sick how you'd make some elitist statement about germans having "ugly noses" when they're even closer to scandinavians than romanians or slavs.

"They look so extreamly alike to us swedes that we don't even bring them up individually. That's why we say nothern people and not swedish people...if you haven't understood that yet lol. We would be dumb if we and you(well since you did it not meaning the rest of the north you are kind of dumb)"

No, you idiot, I was merely wondering why nordic fetishists here almost never, ever, EVER bring up other nordic people. It's always swedes, swedes, and nothing else. It genuinely makes me wonder if you think swedes are strongly removed from people like norwegians in terms of looks, in face of how you people go on so much about them.
"kept on saying "nordic people" when we only meant swedish people. The reason for example Emily takes swedish girls as examples is that swedish people are the climax of the nordic race. Most people here are beautiful."

Oh. So I guess swedes are pretty far removed from other nordics since they're the "climax".

"Swedish vikings created Kiev and is from them the name "Russia" comes from becuase they were called "Rus" becuase they came from "Roslagen" which lays in the north of Sweden.
Well if you look at the original slavic look, dark hair, dark eyes the rough jawline and so on it's very obvious that they have bin improved with swedish blonde hair and blue eyes and the finer nordic draws."

I technically didn't say that vikings didn't make incursions into Russia- just that they made this massive "improvement" on the looks of slavs. What is this original slavic look exactly? Where do you get it from?

Oh, and there's the wonderful nordic fetishist slant of trashing on dark hair and eyes. Something that more whites possess than the opposite.

"The photo art photo comes from a danish "viking art" photographer called njordfoto and the woman(which I strongly belive is her) is in MANY of her other photos and she is just as beautiful there. Belive it or not, but we have actual beautiful people here in Scandinavia.
http://www.myspace.com/njordfoto"

I don't see any of the photos you posted on that myspace. I never said that there wern't beautiful people in scandinavia, either. One of my major points of contention is how you people act like Sweden has goddesses on every street corner. People like you and Emily spam the living hell out of photos of these scandinavians you think are good looking, or gorgeous, but somehow don't manage to appeal to others like you do. It's probably just a case of certain variable aspects of beauty coming into play. And in some cases, I find some of these women outright unattractive and am amazed you'd try to pass them off as "swedish beauties". I think it's more of a case of you grabbing *anything* that minutely fits your mile-high standards of beauty and run with it. What, did you genuinely find that swedish woman with the massive, unbalanced mouth attractive?
"The rest are NORDIC models from nordic model companies, famous swedish people or other pictures taken from nordic websites who own them."

Post the sites. Are they swedish, by the way?

"You know? Nobody really cares if ypu find these women unattractive because I know they are."

I think it should be worthy of consideration that your paragons of beauty aren't as universally appealing as you put them off as. Like I said, maybe alot of people do find them as attractive in the same vein as some of the asian women I've posted, but what do you know- variable standards of beauty. Some of them, however, are pretty unattractive and I find it very hard to believe you find them as such.

"For the amateur photos, they are of average swedish people with beauty, the girl who you said had acne and a large jaw and such is a teen model. She had many beautiful photos on her blogg with I don't show you."

Then post them. If you want to make a point, don't post bad photos. (the one with the large jaw and cheekbones was different from the one who appeared to have acne. Why were you posting a "swedish beauty" with traits more typical of an asian?)

"You know what? I can post hundreds an hundreds of photos and you still won't agree with me because you are so obviously jealus of that most people here have an average beauty and that there are so many extreamly beautiful people here."

Oh boy, this is the first time I've outright been accused of jealousy here. No, you little lunatic, I genuinely don't find alot of these women you and Emily post as appealing as you make them out to be. You might be able to see this if you wern't so insanely elitist, or ethnocentric, or shallow, or blinded by your inhumanly narrow senses of beauty and nationalist biases.

"These girls goes to my school of 200 people(the second girl is swedish/greek):
Funny thing is that almsost no one in her class knows she(the last girl, i'm not saying her name)is a model in new yourk and like famous, a guy from the class under mine were hanging out with me and my friends one day and he found out and he didn't belive us. He was shocked."

I don't find either of these women very attractive. They're both rather masculine and the second one even moreso. Especially her puffy lips.

Oh, I must be jealous.

Emily:

"The last pictures you posted are of girls who don't look ethnically like Swedes. Not the blond ones, and not the last one, of course. The blonde girl looks very Eastern European (The face shape, "puffy Asiatic" cheeks, weak chin, lower, somewhat slanting forehead, and the typical olive eye colour you find among E. Europeans or S. Europeans) and the other one looks like she might have black admixture. Very weird non-descript face.
I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here, but it was not representative photos at all, unless your intent was to show ethnically mixed people."

Since Cecilia, in the next post, which I don't see a point in addressing, what does it tell you that women like this can pop up in the valhalla of human beauty like Sweden?

"As for the slanting forehead it is most often seen on non-Nordic women of Eastern and South European descent, and of course in the Middle East, which attributes to their overall masculine appearance."

I posted a chart- from this very site- addressing forehead angles among world populations when you were screaming about east asians having such flatter foreheads than whites.

Here's the chart again: www.ImageShack.us" />QuickPost

Left side is greater flatness, right side is greater height and roundness.

Looks like europeans and middle easterners are pretty much the same. As are east asians.
You posting 3 women doesn't tell us a thing about such massive populations, especially when forehead structure is so strongly variable among humans. This chart says that SS africans have more sloping foreheads on average, but then I've seen *alot* of blacks with high, rounded foreheads. And as I've said, there's been ALOT of cultures that have practiced head binding that drastically altered the shape of the forehead, often out of beauty. Some of this could be a form of fethishization, but a lower forehead could be a component of masculine beauty.

Which you wouldn't dare want to infiltrate your precious swedish genepool, when basic laws of heritability dictate swedish men are quite feminine.

"Regarding Asian noses, they qualify only when they approach the Nordic nose in appearance, and this is proven by the fact that the Asian fetishists here often post photos of Asians with noses that have a non-typically high nose bridge."

I'm not an asian fetishist. I don't believe the average physical appearance of east asians is as high as some of the asian women I've posted. I can admit certain physical flaws on the parts of asians. You deserve the label of "fetishist" because you worship, and, well, fetishize nordic traits and consider it a complete sin to suggest anything negative about them. Besides, just because some of these asians have nasal features slightly approaching nordic noses doesn't say anything. Let's go over this again-

There's nothing wrong with suggesting, or saying, or pointing out one ethnic group is more attractive than another. What really matters, however, is how much of a certain ethnic group's ethnic traits will be lost in a universal standard of beauty, however that may be defined.

Every single ethnic group can exhibit ethnic extremities, and these seem to be consequences of a normal continuum of their ethnic traits. Overtly convex noses are more of an ethnic trait of middle easterners and the like, but pop up still often in europeans due to general ethnic similarity. Overtly projecting noses are more common amongst middle easterners as well, but seem to be an extreme ethnic trait typical to caucasoid populations all over. Overtly concave noses are quite uncommon among humans, but are the opposite of overtly convex ones, and seem to be more of an ethnic trait of europeans, considering how lightly concaved noses are quite common amongst europeans.
I could post some examples of these overtly concave noses, better known as "scoop" noses, if you want. But what I'm also getting at is this- someone pointing out another white ethnic group having poorer noses than another is pretty much just pointing out a natural consequence of extreme ethnic traits propogating amongst another. Since Europe generally has a similar climate all around, and not enough to affect nose structure substantially, well, its kind of pointless to pin this down to climactic differences.
I find alot of these theories of sexual selection to be really spurious because, throughout history, lots, and I mean *lots* of people have been forced to select partners based on much less than looks. Than you've got loads of factors like migratory patterns, population flucuations via disease, war, famine etc. that could affect population sizes and thus skew the average looks, etc. I don't deny sexual selection can play a role, but it's too convoluted to make such large judgements.

"As we all know the typical Asian nose is flat from the side, with a very weak nose bridge, and is often also too broad, especially on South East Asians.
All you do is make the case that the mongoloid nose shape is unattractive, and noses that look more Nordic and less asian are more appealing on Asians. So, where does that contradict Erik's conclusions here, VC? Asian promoters' own argument in fact supports it. lol "

The extreme nose length seems to be a typical caucasoid trait, and the depth of the nose bridge is up to debate. (what about nose bridges too high?

Plus, let's address something related to physical symmetry and balance. In relation to that plastic surgeon I mentioned, one universal aspect of facial symmetry is, well, a nose to balance out the face. He told me that you can't have plastic surgeons lying about such things (in Emily's words, "bowing down to political correctness", I suppose) to their patients because it'd be a metter of malpractice.

Want an example of an extreme case of facial asymmetry?
Rumer Willis:
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http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=1&q=rumer+willis&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10&start=0

Her nose is extremely small compared to the rest of her face, and the bone in her face is also poorly distributed. Her nose isn't flat, but it's extremely narrow and small. She'd look alot better if her nose was widened, or the bone in her face distributed to balance it out.

Someone once criticized me when using the term "neoteny" in reference to the greater average femininity of east asians, asking me what's better- someone who looks like a woman or someone who looks like a child? I never denied that a more feminine population would be more prone to hyper-feminine women, which is the case of east asians and a natural consequence of any population that wants feminine looking women. An example of this would be the nose of east asians, which is more neotenic than the noses of nordics-IE, flatter and less projecting. Well, some of this supposed unattractiveness from an overtly wide, narrow, small, whatever nose is just a consequence of poor facial symmetry and unrelated to femininity or masculinity.

This is something that's poorly considered on this site, especially by Erik. Erik almost never addresses facial symmetry in relation to nose structure and the like on this site, acting as if it's all about convergence upon instrinsic values most often seen amongst europeans and acting like jaw and cheekbone size is related to femininity. This is another thing I see Erik as dead wrong about.

...And I got this from a plastic surgeon. An ASIAN ONE, I might add. Who was fully willing to admit east asians can be prone to overtly wide, rounded faces. (but whites are more prone to overtly narrow, long faces, aka the "horse face" look.)

"The photos VC posted look like a gallery of pubescent girls that might attract white pedophiles. Rather creepy."

I said some of them looked like teenagers, and probably were. I didn't make those collages. My main intention was showing how jaw and cheekbone size are unrelated to femininity (which you don't seem to be addressing), and an example of some proper ethnic traits amongst east asians.

You claiming that it looks like a "gallery" of pubescent girls is just your own sick biases, though. From what I've gathered from you, east asians pretty much all look like undeveloped, fetal dwarves with downs syndrome and can only look good, and even rarely as such, from intense plastic surgery or white admixture.

"By the way, I noticed the very unappealing greenish-yellowish skin colour asians often have in more natural, candid photos, so it makes sense to use that artificial lighting they love as it completely conceals their true skin tone."

Only to someone who reviles almost anything outside of nordic white skin, I suppose. (but doesn't see anything hilariously contradictory about spamming photos of swedes in night clubs with tans.)

On another note, since you and callmewhateveryouwant criticize me for using the neoteny argument "in favor" (when I fully admit such a trait can have side effects) of asians, what does this say about the white skin seen amongst nordics? Since women, universally, have lighter skin than men (albeit this is a difference so incredibly minute almost nobody notices it), it should be treated as a neotenic trait. (but of course neoteny isn't a universal correlate of beauty, nor is full-blown neoteny.) By your standards, shouldn't white skin be considered hyper-neotenic, in a way undeveloped and child like like the traits you deride amongst east asians?

I'm not saying it is, nor do I believe it is, but it should be a natural consequence of your beliefs, especially considering how poorly they're argued.

I'm not really going to address more of your comments on romanians, but:

"An over-sized nose can look OK on men since they are masculine, but not on women."

True. I agree with this. It enhances masculine beauty. But... what about the noses amongst nordics??! Oh, I guess all those soft, small, feminine noses that are prized amongst nordics are a feminine trait on men, and so I guess nordic men are feminine as well.

"Here we also see the typical olive eye colour that many of them call "green". It is not typical for Scandinavians but rather frequently seen in Mediterranean people and Romanians.."

..............What's wrong with olive colored eyes? That's technically a light eye color. Oh, I guess anything outside of blue or grey or classical green eyes just isn't right.

Godis:

"It's also funny how Emily and Cecilia will trash German women too. haha No one is as good as the Swedes are they?"

Yeah, my ancestry is primarily german too. I'm an attractive white male, but that kind of talk doesn't really bother me personally.

"Whats funny is that Emily thinks a fellow Swede looks Russian. She just doesn't understand the reason many Scandinavians look that way is because they too, just like Russians do, have a non-Nordic element to their features because they are not 100% Nordic! I doubt you will find any population that is pure. Even the supposed purest of the pure have Asiatic admixture! Haha 10% Non-Nordic to be exact. That's kind of large considering their supposed "pureness"."

Er, the "purest" "nordics" would probably be the germans. The finns and baltics are ones with admixture around that. And yes, there has been substantial mixture, back and forth, across europe, between ethnicities, for millenia.

"You will find less Germans with what seems to be a type of epicanthal folds, or that round face you so often actually DO see among SCANDINAVIANS!"

I don't think this matters that much, since every general facial shape is prone to extremities. Like I've said, the small, narrow jaws and cheekbones coupled with a narrow face, seen more commonly amongst europeans, particularly scandinavians, is more prone to being overtly narrow, long, tall, whatever- the archtypical "horseface" look. Some prominent examples being Sarah Jessica Parker, Ann Coulter, and Claudia Schiffer without makeup:

http://www.funpub.net/poze/mare/claudia_schiffer_fara_machiaj_1224156536.JPG

Oh, and Sandra Oh, who's korean. Yes, I know she's east asian and their faces are less prone to such structures on average, but she fits the "horse face" mold so perfectly. Her face looks like a japanese noh mask brought to life.

Guys, there is no need to attack any race just because some Nazy lunatics on here are trying to impose their insane point of view!

As a matter of fact, I happened to be physically attracted to my own kind, which by the way perfectly fits the type of people Emily and her think-alikes are worshipping on here, exept for the yellow(so-called blond) hair and the cold coloured eyes. Mine are the same colour as the lion's eyes, which is fiery. BUT, that does not mean that I deny the beauty of other people and their right to enjoy life fully! Emily and her think-alikes are ultra conservative and ignorant individuals.

How about some reality check:

http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/tigerbaby-small.jpg

http://blstb.msn.com/i/61/996DAACA30927D868F7B95EA63C8EF.jpg

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/80/29/sam-alexis-woods-birthday-tiger-woods-wife-us-open-elin-woods-nordegren-.0.0.0x0.398x575.jpeg

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2009/04/Seal.Heidi.Klum.pregnant.jpg

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/02/81592471.jpg

If I was a Nordic or an African, I too would definitely go for an opposite type. That is nature's way of constant creativity which brings variety to the world. We are really lucky to have so much choice!

"Whats funny is that Emily thinks a fellow Swede looks Russian."

She looks Slavic/ Eastern European because she IS Slavic. She is ethnically not Swedish. Very simple. That's like posting pics of Zlatan Ibrahimovic, telling everyone he is ethnically Swedish. Give me a break. lol It takes a little more than dying your hair blonde, you know, Godis. ;)

VC;

"Since Cecilia, in the next post, which I don't see a point in addressing, what does it tell you that women like this can pop up in the valhalla of human beauty like Sweden?"

It tells me immigration is not often a good thing.

Emily:

"She looks Slavic/ Eastern European because she IS Slavic. She is ethnically not Swedish. Very simple. That's like posting pics of Zlatan Ibrahimovic, telling everyone he is ethnically Swedish. Give me a break. lol It takes a little more than dying your hair blonde, you know, Godis. ;)"

You don't know if she's slavic or not. There's much general physical similarity amongst european ethnic groups, so it's not hard to come across a swede who doesn't look "swedish".

"It tells me immigration is not often a good thing."

To the point where you'd bar other whites soley on the basis of looks?

What about the other unattractive swedes posted here so far? Why did they pop up amongst the swedish superhumans?

More Nordic faces from Sweden:

Asiatic connection?

http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/swedishmodels.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/&usg=__y-NstjQfmJ5jeC1r3yXSCITCx5s=&h=500&w=300&sz=64&hl=nl&start=83&um=1&tbnid=YjuCBPhSgcWYqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswedish%2Bfemale%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D1

Feminine?!
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/swedishmodels.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/&usg=__y-NstjQfmJ5jeC1r3yXSCITCx5s=&h=500&w=300&sz=64&hl=nl&start=83&um=1&tbnid=YjuCBPhSgcWYqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswedish%2Bfemale%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D1

Beautiful?
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/swedishmodels.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/&usg=__y-NstjQfmJ5jeC1r3yXSCITCx5s=&h=500&w=300&sz=64&hl=nl&start=83&um=1&tbnid=YjuCBPhSgcWYqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswedish%2Bfemale%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D1

Fine nose?
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/swedishmodels.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.swedishmodels.net/&usg=__y-NstjQfmJ5jeC1r3yXSCITCx5s=&h=500&w=300&sz=64&hl=nl&start=83&um=1&tbnid=YjuCBPhSgcWYqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswedish%2Bfemale%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D1

Don't tell me now that those girls are not even Swedish, just because they have puffy faces with epicanthic folds and wide bulbous noses!

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