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Rhinoplasty in Stockholm, Sweden: comments on the fine, straight and chiseled Nordic nose

Igor Niechajev (I.N.) and Per-Olle Haraldsson (P.O.H.), two of the most active rhinoplasty (nose jobs ) surgeons in Stockholm, Sweden, described the ethnic profile of their aesthetic rhinoplasty surgery patients from 1985-1995(1).  The patients were residents of Stockholm, Sweden.  The ethnic breakdown is shown below.

Rhinoplasty (nose jobs) in Stockholm, Sweden

About 48% of the patients were non-Nordic, whereas in 1994, non-Nordic inhabitants were 12.5% of the population in Stockholm, i.e., the non-Nordic inhabitants were six times more likely to undergo aesthetic rhinoplasty than the Nordic inhabitants.  Stockholm inhabitants of Middle Eastern extraction were 3.1% of the population in 1994, and were thereby 17 times more likely than the Nordics to seek nose jobs.  Overall, the ratio of men to women among the patients was 1:1.3, but among people originating in Russia, Poland, and the former Czechoslovakia, this ratio was 1:17, which the authors attributed to many Slavic women being mail-order brides and thereby very particular about looking good.

Here is the comment by the authors as to why the non-Nordics are much more likely to seek nose jobs:

Why are ‘‘foreigners’’ having their noses operated on much more frequently than the native Swedes?  Has the government’s official immigrant policy failed?  Many of our ‘‘foreign’’ patients speak flawless or almost flawless Swedish, seek or keep good jobs, but still feel that their noses are against them.  They feel that people stare at them.  Rhinoplasty gave such patients increased self-assurance.  Many, of course, requested surgery because they just wanted to look better.  Others have experienced that an un-Swedish name or look is a major obstacle in the job market.  By changing their names and diminishing their noses many Middle Easterners desire a more European, ‘‘Italian’’ look, which is much better accepted
(see example of the 16-year-old Middle Eastern girl below).

Sweden has introduced probably the most generous immigration laws in the world.  Our country is internationally active and in the forefront of the U.N., UNESCO, International Red Cross, and other similar organizations, fighting for human rights and considers itself a consciousness of the world.  This international success has unfortunately not been followed by an abolition of petty discrimination on the home ground.  Legislations could be changed over night, whereas a profound change of attitudes in the society takes many decades.  A part of our study confirms the integration bluff in Sweden.  In order to be accepted by the society many emigrees have to change their names and buy new noses.

The authors are probably trying to offer a politically correct explanation above but have let the pictures in their paper speak for themselves as far as the real reason is concerned.

The authors provided illustrations of how non-Swedish noses differ from Swedish/Nordic noses by showing pictures of common types of noses found among the non-Swedish groups their patients came from.

The following example is of a Finnish woman.  Compared to Swedes, the Finns, on average, have wider and flatter noses.  The rate of aesthetic rhinoplasty among non-Swedish Nordics was not higher than among Swedish Nordics.

Finnish woman

The following example is of a Slavic woman.  For technical terminology, refer to this diagram.  In Slavic noses, the dorsum is wider and the nasal tip is bulkier with strong, well-structured alar cartilages. The nose tip is either upturned or prominent.   The height of the dorsum may match Swedish norms or be a little less.  The naso-labial angle is > 90 degrees.

Slavic woman

The following example is of a Greek woman, illustrating a common type of nose in the Mediterranean region; before surgery (left) and after straightening her nose and shaving off part of the columella.  “Typical for this region is an ‘‘eagle’’ profile with the high, convex dorsum, ‘‘hanging’’ columella, and a naso-labial angle < 90 degrees. On the frontal view the tip can have crescent appearance and the dorsum is narrow. Both skeletal and cartilaginous parts of the nose are strong and well developed. The skin is moderately thick.”

Greek woman

The following example is of a Levantine (Dinaric) nose commonly found in the area close to the Mediterranean coast, corresponding to the areas of modern Lebanon and Syria.  These noses are large and have a nasoglabial angle less than 90 degrees.  The dorsum is frequently high and arching.  “The nasal tip is fine and narrow.  Nose contour from root to tip is long, but the columella is overshortened, pulling the tip in and down.”

Levantine or Dinaric nose

The following example shows an Iraqi Kurd before his surgery (left) and after making his nose straighter.  He is illustrating a common nose type in the Eastern Middle Eastern region (Iraq, Iran): large, strongly built, naso-labial angle of <90° and possessing thick and oily skin.  “The nasal tip is wide and heavy containing large alar cartilages and a well-developed subcutaneous fat layer.”

Iraqi Kurd

The following example shows a “perfectly assimilated” 16-year-old girl of Middle Eastern origin who straightened her nose (A, C show pre-surgery pictures) to acquire a straighter-nosed southern European look.

Middle Eastern woman

The authors also described an example of the extreme kind of nose job requests they get.  The following picture shows a 19-year-old woman of Korean ancestry who arrived with a very European-looking mannequin and said that she wanted the nose seen in the mannequin.  She was advised not to have surgery.

Korean woman

The authors also provided the picture of a Swedish patient that sought refinement of her nose:

Swedish woman

So what is the reason why a greater proportion of non-Nordics seek nose jobs?  What does one expect if they live among a people where fine, straight and chiseled noses as among the following Swedish males are often encountered?

Nordic male; Swede Nordic male; Swede

In the pictures of Nordic noses below (click for larger images), note the prominence of the nasal bones (upper part of the nose) in side view even though the nose itself is feminine and not overall very prominent, and contrast them with the upper nose projection of the 16-year-old Middle Eastern girl shown above, which is not prominent enough for the surgeon to give her nose a Nordic look, i.e., the woman can at most settle for a straighter Southern European look.

Nordic nose Nordic nose Nordic nose

In a nutshell, the pictures speak for themselves with respect to answering the authors’ question, “Why are ‘‘foreigners’’ having their noses operated on much more frequently than the native Swedes?”  The authors are no doubt aware of this but obviously couldn’t say it in the paper.  The answer to this question is not the domination of Swedish society by Nordics.  Whereas Nordic Swedes are not particularly known to be a thin-lipped European people, I doubt that non-Europeans are generally enthusiastic about thinner European lips.  Untanned Nordic skin is also likely too pale for many non-Europeans, certainly a greater proportion than the proportion that does not appreciate fine, straight and chiseled Nordic noses (probably close to zero percent among Middle Eastern and Mediterranean populations).  In addition, Moslems often despise the gender egalitarianism and women’s rights situation in the Nordic nations, the best of its kind, and would consider it an abomination to adopt the secular elements of Western culture, yet have admiration for fine and chiseled Nordic noses.  How is this mix of admired, more or less neutral and despised Nordic traits explained?  Obviously some admired features are intrinsically admired, which is explained very well by the pictures above.

On the other hand, there are some non-Europeans who make their nose look more European and end up dissatisfied as a result of losing a sense of ethnicity(2).

Consider a common tendency among noses in South Asia (India), shown below, where the dashed line describes the straightening that some Indians seek.

Common Indian nose profile

Famous Indian beauty Aishwarya Rai has the gently hooked nose shown above.

Aishwarya Rai

A south Asian woman is shown below with a surgically Europeanized nose (A, B, C), but she sought another nose job, nose implants to be more precise, to restore her ethnic looks somewhat (D, E, F); click image for larger version.

Indian woman

Similarly, the following example shows a Jewish man who had had a nose job (A, B, C), causing him to lose a sense of ethnicity, whereupon he had a nose implant to make his nose more prominent, though he kept it straight (D, E, F); click image for larger version.

Jewish patient

References

  1. Niechajev I, Haraldsson PO. Ethnic profile of patients undergoing aesthetic rhinoplasty in Stockholm. Aesthetic Plast Surg. May-Jun 1997;21(3):139-145.
  2. Romo T, 3rd, Kwak ES, Sclafani AP. Revision rhinoplasty using porous high-density polyethylene implants to reestablish ethnic identity. Aesthetic Plast Surg. Nov-Dec 2006;30(6):679-684; discussion 685.
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Swedes are not a Slavic people. Posting photos of Slavs makes no sense. That won't be examples of ethnic Swedes. That girl's face screams Slavic.

Oh, I found this woman's profile. She says she is Romanian, so that makes her ethnically Romanian, then? I thought she looked kinda Indian but since it says she's Romanian she must be ethnically representative too.

Well, actually she probably is since one in ten is a gyspy over there and they are closely related to Indians. Go figure. It's a small world.

And here we have a pure-bred Romanians (I know, it's an oxymoron).

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Romanians:

Gypsy people who envy Scandinavians. Can you blame them?

Visitor: Some of those models are blatantly asian, so it's hard to tell if so many of the white ones are swedish.

The girl on the frontpage had a large face, though, and a nose abit too small for it, though- the large face being an asian trait. (how could that pop up amongst swedes??!)

Emily:

"Swedes are not a Slavic people. Posting photos of Slavs makes no sense. That won't be examples of ethnic Swedes. That girl's face screams Slavic."

You really don't even know much about what slavs really look like. You were once making the claim that slavs have big teeth (which you provide no evidence of except a couple dozen photos, when all of the anthropological evidence is saying europeans all have generally have small teeth- unless slavs are some kind of outlier?), so how can your word be trusted?

You seem to think "masculine white woman with strong cheekbones=slavic", when for all we know, most of those women could be swedish

"Oh, I found this woman's profile. She says she is Romanian, so that makes her ethnically Romanian, then? I thought she looked kinda Indian but since it says she's Romanian she must be ethnically representative too.

Well, actually she probably is since one in ten is a gyspy over there and they are closely related to Indians. Go figure. It's a small world."

I love this. You make a crack about someone using one woman to represent all of Sweden, and then joke about doing the same with Romanians, because "one in ten is gypsy".

That's not true at all. Here you go, you sick little liar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#Demographics

"Gypsies, who make up 2.46% of the population. By the official census 535,250 Roma live in Romania.[note 4][104] "

And here's the sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#cite_note-106
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#cite_note-107

I guess you're going to have to look elsewhere to explain why romanians have "3 mile long noses", "look like they're descended from vlad the impaler", etc.

This claims there's even more roma in Spain than in Romania, albeit a little less than 1% lower in terms of population proportions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Spain 650,000
(1.62%) [2]

So do Spaniards have a bunch of that nasty gypsy blood now? You haven't said much about the looks of southern europeans here. Please, trash on them. Trash on every single non-swedish european ethnicity, for the gallery.

Emily, I really think you should post a picture of yourself. I genuinely do. You never seem to stop foaming at the mouth of the incomparable average beauty of the swedes. You like to ignore almost any contrary evidence thrown at you. Let's all see if you fit your own standards of beauty. You've described yourself, but we can't make many judgements off that, can we?

Oh, it also seems Bulgaria's population is nearly 5% roma too. More gypsy blood in them?

VC;

""Well, actually she probably is since one in ten is a gypsy over there and they are closely related to Indians. Go figure. It's a small world.""

I love this. You make a crack about someone using one woman to represent all of Sweden, and then joke about doing the same with Romanians, because "one in ten is gypsy".

That's not true at all. Here you go, you sick little liar:...."

And a useless link to Wikipedia citing official Romanian figures. lol

The figure one in ten appears over and over, in fact, so it was not a lie at all, but a figure that most people think is the true figure, apparently. It's OK, I won't expect you to apologize for the insult. Next time check facts before assuming Wikipedia is always correct. Everyone knows Romania wants to keep the figures down.

"UNICEF says they have no idea how many gypsies are in Romania, because they often do not register with the government. A small gypsy home may have 10 people living it. "

Central Europe Review;

"Europe's Beggars, Romania's Roma

Marius Dragomir

Romania has the largest Roma minority in Europe. According to the last official census, roughly two million Roma, representing ten percent of the population, are living in Romania today. They are considered to be "the most disruptive" minority; an opinion supported by statistics from the Romanian police that reveal a high proportion of crimes are committed by Roma."

Newworldencyclopedia.org

"There is a sizable minority of Roma people in Romania, 1.8 million to 2 million"

No one believes the official figures released by Romania and for a reason, so if anyone is a sick liar it is Romania.

I admit I was too brash when the wikipedia cite says this:

"2002 census data, based on Population by ethnicity, gives a total of 535,250 Roma in Romania. This figure is disputed by other sources, because at the local level, many Roma declare a different ethnicity (mostly Romanian, but also Hungarian in the West and Turkish in Dobruja) for fear of discrimination. Many are not recorded at all, since they do not have ID cards. International sources give higher figures than the official census(UNDP's Regional Bureau for Europe, World Bank, "International Association for Official Statistics" (PDF). Archived from the original on 2008-02-26. http://web.archive.org/web/20080226202154/http://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/publications/msd/journal/issue25/25-pages154-164.pdf. . "

So Emily, dare I say, I'm sorry. This is perhaps the only thing you've been remotely right on.

But amazingly, I can admit where I'm wrong. You never can and never will.

And I sincerely doubt you'll be able to back up the idea romanians have so much gypsy admixture.

Not to mention I wouldn't be taking such contention with that figure if you *actually* backed it up to begin with.

I still don't get why it's somehow bad to have gypsy ancestry. I've seen some rather good looking people of gypsy "race" in my day.

Rawr:

"I still don't get why it's somehow bad to have gypsy ancestry. I've seen some rather good looking people of gypsy "race" in my day."

Oh, simple. In Emily's eyes, anything falling remotely outside of her nordic ideals is hideous, especially gypsies. Convex noses are never attractive, and concave noses don't have extremities either.

"That's alot different from *you* saying "germans are known for having ugly noses". You know, saying it's common knowledge their noses are ugly compared to swedes or whatever, and backing this up with.... seven photos."

You should really just go to Germany because I know you won't ever change your mind about nordic people if someone tells you something and provides you with facts.

"When did he present this crude theory? How many of those rapes were aborted? Do you have any real evidence that this had an actual effect on their looks"

I agreed with his theory which he presented. I just added another, duh.

"In Berlin stood a charity institution, the Haus Dehlem, an orphanage, maternity hospital, and foundling home. Soviet soldiers entered the home, and repeatedly raped pregnant women and women who had just given birth. This was not an isolated incident. No one will ever know how many women were raped, but doctors' estimates run as high as 100,000 for the city of Berlin alone, their ages ranging from 10 to 70.

On March 24, 1945, our "noble Soviet allies" entered Danzig. A 50-year-old Danzig teacher reported that her niece, 15, was raped seven times, and her other niece, 22, was raped fifteen times. A Soviet officer told a group of women to seek safety in the Cathedral. Once they were securely locked inside, the beasts of Bolshevism entered, and ringing the bells and playing the organ, "celebrated" a foul orgy through the night, raping all the women, some more than thirty times. A Catholic pastor in Danzig declared, "They violated even eight-year-old girls and shot boys who tried to shield their mothers."

"In the Soviet Zone of Germany nearly 90% of females ages between 10 and 80 were raped in what undoubtedly was the largest case of mass rape in history. This included women expelled from the eastern provinces.

Most German children born in Berlin in 1946 were the result of rape. Women and young girls were forcibly dragged from their homes and raped, the drunken Soviet Mongolian soldiers queuing up to await their turn. For two whole weeks these mass rapes of women continued."

"It started as soon as the Red Army entered East Prussia and Silesia in 1944, and in many towns and villages every female aged from 10 to 80 was raped." The author "was 'shaken to the core' to discover that even their own Russian and Polish women and girls liberated from German concentration camps were also violated." He estimates that "a 'high proportion' of at least 15 million women who lived in the Soviet zone or were expelled from Germany's eastern provinces were raped." Until recent years, East German women from the World War II era referred to the Red Army war memorial in Berlin as "the Tomb of the Unknown Rapist.""

Yeah I know it has bad words in it, but it's still fact and I can find so many more sources of this.

"No, you idiot, I was merely wondering why nordic fetishists here almost never, ever, EVER bring up other nordic people. It's always swedes, swedes, and nothing else. It genuinely makes me wonder if you think swedes are strongly removed from people like norwegians in terms of looks, in face of how you people go on so much about them.
"kept on saying "nordic people" when we only meant swedish people. The reason for example Emily takes swedish girls as examples is that swedish people are the climax of the nordic race. Most people here are beautiful."

Oh. So I guess swedes are pretty far removed from other nordics since they're the "climax"."

Swedes are most often brought up as the example because it's the country with the most blue eyes and blonde hair in the north(Finland is not taken as a example even though they have a high percentage since they are not fully nordic). As I said before there are small differances between the countries and we basically look alike but even in the north swedes are seen as the most beautiful people and purely nordic people there so they represent the nordic race the best.

"I technically didn't say that vikings didn't make incursions into Russia- just that they made this massive "improvement" on the looks of slavs. What is this original slavic look exactly? Where do you get it from?"

It's dark, if you go to Russia you will se mostly dark and brown-haired people. A SMALL percent of the population is blonde and/or look non-slavic and logic thinking is that this might come from the nordic race, the swedish viking which settled there. Genes don't just disappear. They are being passed on from person to person and they are always there.

"Post the sites. Are they swedish, by the way?"

I said NORDIC, stupid. Do you think I bookmarked the sites? I'm not that obsessed with this site but YES I know they are swedish because they are posted from nordic modelling companies, pictures of swedish music artists and swedish websites whith a lot of photos of the same person. I wouldn't post them if they weren't nordic. That would be pointless.

Then post them. If you want to make a point, don't post bad photos. (the one with the large jaw and cheekbones was different from the one who appeared to have acne. Why were you posting a "swedish beauty" with traits more typical of an asian?)

HELLO I NEVER SAID ASIAN CHEEKBONES WERE UGLY?
I'm not posting all of her pictures becuase they are too many.
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Average huh?
Did I double post now? Hmm.

"I don't find either of these women very attractive. They're both rather masculine and the second one even moreso. Especially her puffy lips."

Oh, I must be jealous."
I agree, you must be.

The other post was to you Violetcorpus

Cecilia:

"You should really just go to Germany because I know you won't ever change your mind about nordic people if someone tells you something and provides you with facts."

Again, this is just YOUR OPINION and you posting pictures of SEVEN WOMEN isn't a "fact" of german women having bad noses. You're honestly the first person I've heard say this.

"Yeah I know it has bad words in it, but it's still fact and I can find so many more sources of this."
Thank you. How many of these children wern't aborted? Do you know the average looks of these soviet soldiers?

"Swedes are most often brought up as the example because it's the country with the most blue eyes and blonde hair in the north(Finland is not taken as a example even though they have a high percentage since they are not fully nordic). As I said before there are small differances between the countries and we basically look alike but even in the north swedes are seen as the most beautiful people and purely nordic people there so they represent the nordic race the best."

I still find it odd how, in spite of these "small differences", other nordic people are rarely brought up.

"It's dark, if you go to Russia you will se mostly dark and brown-haired people. A SMALL percent of the population is blonde and/or look non-slavic and logic thinking is that this might come from the nordic race, the swedish viking which settled there. Genes don't just disappear. They are being passed on from person to person and they are always there."

Dark skin? Why does the average skin color of Russia fall so closely with most other non-southern european countries?

http://images.google.com/images?
gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=1&q=skin+color+map&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0

Why is the frequency of light eyes 20-49%?
http://contexts.org/graphicsociology/files/2009/01/westernparadigm_blue_eye_color_map.jpg

Why is the blondism frequency at 50-79%?
http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/blond_hair_map1.jpg

Mostly dark skinned and dark eyed? Yeah right. Plus, alot of these european phenotypes spread across europe *much* earlier than things like viking incursions. I want you to give evidence of the viking incursions enchancing their looks. (which I kind of doubt, since vikings were, well, pretty masculine.)

"I said NORDIC, stupid. Do you think I bookmarked the sites? I'm not that obsessed with this site but YES I know they are swedish because they are posted from nordic modelling companies, pictures of swedish music artists and swedish websites whith a lot of photos of the same person. I wouldn't post them if they weren't nordic. That would be pointless."

I genuinely ask because people like you on this site having a nasty habit of barely backing themselves up here.

"HELLO I NEVER SAID ASIAN CHEEKBONES WERE UGLY?
I'm not posting all of her pictures becuase they are too many."

A bit of a reflex there, since that's something Emily thinks is, well, ugly. Sorry.
"Average huh?
Did I double post now? Hmm."
She's average to me. Sorry.

"I agree, you must be."

Whatever you say. Atleast I'm like Emily waving off almost any attractive east asian woman as looking "undeveloped", or, if they don't have any relatively caucasian features, well, just try to drum up such features where they don't or barely exist.

There was indeed a mass rape of German women by Russian soldiers after the war. Millions of German women were raped and not all of them would have had access to abortion right after the war, obviously. There really is no point in trying to deny the mass rapes of German women since it is well known.

No one says it is "bad" to have gypsy blood. However, I think it ruins the looks, and that is what this site deals with, and I think Romanians and other women in countries that have very large gypsy minorities would have looked so much better had that admixture not been present the way it is.

Gypsies are detested everywhere in Europe due to their own anti-social and often criminal behaviour. That goes beyond the scope of this site but there really is no point in denying their lack of adaptation and respect for the countries they live in. The same complaint is heard from every country that has them so that's the reality of it. They are loud, often filthy and lousy, inconsiderate neighbours, and they steal in a way that seems almost compulsory. They often teach their young children to steal, something most people find utterly reprehensible.

I'm sure there are exceptions and good gypsies who lead respectable lives, but there is no denying that the ethnic group as such is a source of trouble in most countries they live in.

VC;

"I still find it odd how, in spite of these "small differences", other nordic people are rarely brought up."

Well, maybe that is because it is easier to talk about your own people. I have posted photos of Danish and Norwegian girls too, but it is true that my focus has been on Swedes, mainly since I live here and it is my country so I feel it's easier to talk about those who are close to home. Anyway, I have posted photos of Danish girls, and some Norwegian girls, and since we tend to look very much the same one could say that whether you use photos of ethnic Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic or Swedish girls you will get an idea of what Scandinavians look like.

Also, regarding German women's noses; there has been more outside genetic admixture in Germany than in Scandinavia due to invasion, occupation etc, and it is true that you will therefore find more non-typical noses such as hooked- or other kinds of Eastern European types of noses. Ethnically true Nordic Germans don't have that kind of nose, though, so in that sense there is little difference between a German of true Nordic type and a Scandinavian of Nordic type.

"There was indeed a mass rape of German women by Russian soldiers after the war. Millions of German women were raped and not all of them would have had access to abortion right after the war, obviously. There really is no point in trying to deny the mass rapes of German women since it is well known."

It's still hard to quantify. I admit I'm too brash at times to criticize points like this made by people like you, but the thing here is that it takes you so long to actually back it up. Plus, in the case of russians, someone then has to go on to quantify what soldiers who raped the women looked like, what the children even looked like, how much social stigma affected them etc.

"Also, regarding German women's noses; there has been more outside genetic admixture in Germany than in Scandinavia due to invasion, occupation etc, and it is true that you will therefore find more non-typical noses such as hooked- or other kinds of Eastern European types of noses."

This is perhaps true, but it's a far cry from saying "germans are well known for having ugly noses".

I also don't see much wrong with these "eastern european" type noses you criticize. The top of this site says russian mail order brides got as much plastic surgery as the middle easterners did, but just how extensive and how much of it was due to the social factors the authors bring up is up to debate. Erik didn't even provide pictures.

Not to mention that nose Erik describes sounds awfully similar to the prominent nose types seen amongst ancient greek and roman female statues, which are well known for being abit prominent.

"Ethnically true Nordic Germans don't have that kind of nose, though, so in that sense there is little difference between a German of true Nordic type and a Scandinavian of Nordic type."

As I've said again and again, an "ethnically true" nose type for swedes is an ethnically true nose type for europeans as a whole due to general ethnic similarities. A middle eastern type nose, with a convex bridge, isn't, but it pops up at such frequencies even without middle eastern influence due to general physical similarities.

"No one says it is "bad" to have gypsy blood. However, I think it ruins the looks, and that is what this site deals with, and I think Romanians and other women in countries that have very large gypsy minorities would have looked so much better had that admixture not been present the way it is."

"You think" it ruins looks? Why should anyone care what you think? I think you greatly overestimate your importance on this rock kid.

I honestly don't even understand how the subject of Gypsies is relevant to anything. Nobody here is arguing that Gypsies on average are as attractive as Nordic or specifically Swedish women. So... Why does Emily keep bringing Gypsies up when there is no reason to?

Similarly, not even I will argue that Romanians are as attractive as Swedes on average, so why does the subject of how attractive/non-attractive Romanians are come up when nobody is arguing their attractiveness? I don't understand why Emily posts photos of Gypsy mixed Romanians with hooked noses and slanted foreheads? What is she trying to argue and what is she arguing against exactly, since nobody claimed Romanians are the cream of the crop in terms of attractiveness?

I have only defended Romanians by saying they are not as bad on average and do not display those unattractive qualities at such a high frequency as Emily claims. I have also defended that they do not all appear the same because Romanians from different areas will look different. It is easier to generalize about Swedes than Romanians, because the population of Romania is not homogenous like Sweden's pop.

I only defend Romanians from the outrageous claims Emily makes about them (1 in 10 Romanians are Gypsy mixes, I thought this was a joke when I read it, someone has to be really ignorant to believe that). I do not defend the notion or idea that they are more attractive as Nordics on average. This would contradict my honest belief that Nordic women are on average some of the most feminine and attractive women.

Similarly, other posters on here will not argue that for example Slavic or Asian women are more attractive than Swedish women. The majority of the posters that argue against Emily simply argue against her outrageous and inaccurate claims about those ethnicities and races. They will also argue against the idea that Swedish women are basically Godesses; which really summarizes what Emily claims.

In the end Emily has outrageous claims about any population of people including her own. Her claims about Swedes are outrageous. Swedes on average are awesome, but they are not angels shat out of heaven to embarrass the inferior brown eyed brown haired humans either.

I'd like to add that Emily can't see the "big picture". Just because someone has a bad feature doesn't mean it necessarily ruins their look. An attractive person can have a slanted forehead or eyes that are too small or a convex nose, and still be attractive, because overall they are an attractive person. Emily doesn't understand this. She also doesn't understand that nobody is perfect and I can find at least one large shortcoming on anybody!

Gays, Emily won't dare to show you her face which is the asiatic version of blondism.

It is a well-known fact that epicanthic folds are an Asiatic trait and appear in people with Mongoloid admixture. Many Scandinavians(including Sdedish people) possess asiatic features:

1.Epicanthic folds
2.Low nasal bridge
3.Short nose
4.Thin upper lip
5.Flat midface

etc.

Have a look at these Swedish women:

Here is an educational link on the subject: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/21723.jpg

Godis:

"I only defend Romanians from the outrageous claims Emily makes about them (1 in 10 Romanians are Gypsy mixes, I thought this was a joke when I read it, someone has to be really ignorant to believe that). I do not defend the notion or idea that they are more attractive as Nordics on average. This would contradict my honest belief that Nordic women are on average some of the most feminine and attractive women."

Emily was actually saying about 1 in 10 romanians is a gypsy, but she keeps asserting, with virtually no evidence, that romanians themselves are heavily mixed with them.

Like I said, I really can't make judgements upon the average physical attractiveness of all the various european ethnicities. When I go online, I see alot of divergence on opinions. Alot of people have said the english are some of the ugliest whites, but they've never appeared as such to me.

Again and again, as I've said, the issue of one ethnicity, whether it be a large one or a sub-race, being more attractive than another, is nothing controversial, but what is a completely different matter is how much of a group's ethnic traits fall outside of universal beauty standards, however those may be defined, at this point.

The traits seen amongst europeans, in terms of differing physical attractiveness, seem to be either general expression of natural ethnic extremities amongst caucasoids, or, in the case of extreme ethnic traits seen more commonly among, say, middle easterns (IE overtly convex noses- I believe lightly convex ones, like the ones seen amongst Catherine Keener or Aishwarya Rai, (whom I don't find attractive and is insanely overrated) look fine, and convex noses generally look better on small nosers. They're of much more subjectivity on men, though.), is due to general physical similarities between the two populations, and thus, just a little bit of expected overlap.

Visitor:

I wouldn't say those features are "common" among scandinavians- atleast amongst non-finnish groups- but I don't doubt those traits are more common in Scandinavia and the like than in, say, German or the UK.

The same holds true for Baltic europeans, which is right next to scandinavia.

I mean, look at Bjork. Icelanders have very little finnish ancestry but she looks like some kind of eurasian. When I first saw her and heard of her, I thought she was an inuit mix, but then I found out there were never an inuits in Iceland.

She's not attractive, but it's not due to her asian traits.

Another fun thing to note for someone willing to knock on these "asian traits" is this quote from, well, right at the top of this article:

"The following example is of a Finnish woman. Compared to Swedes, the Finns, on average, have wider and flatter noses. The rate of aesthetic rhinoplasty among non-Swedish Nordics was not higher than among Swedish Nordics."

That's a trait typical of asian noses, and falls perfectly in line with the more asiatic appearance of finns. (I'm not 100% of the research on the central asian admixture among finns and baltics, but there's absolutely no denying they look more asian than other europeans. If they really have no asian admixture, then it's just a climactic adaption to the arctic climates scandinavia borders.)

I also kind of doubt Swedes are so much more homogenous than mainland europeans when they've had such close historical contact with russians, baltics, and finns. For what it's worth, studies that purport to show asian admixture amongst northern europeans show it at higher frequencies amongst swedes than, say, germans.

http://racialreality.110mb.com/tatc.html

These figures aren't literal, and are just on the Y chromosome, so it's about a quarter of those figures.

On another note, I sincerely doubt

I just noticed this- Visitor, why would you use a diagram on what appears to be something like downs syndrome to illustrate asian traits?

Although I don't know who can answer this at the moment, I've wondered what sort of traits compose the sort of facial flatness seen amongst "mongoloid" populations, and human populations in generals. A flat face is more of a neotenic trait, but a flat midface is technically an archaic trait. Do infants have an archaic trait or something? I also wonder how flattened orbits can be classified as well. (Erik isn't around to answer any of this)

I see alot of population differences in flatness of the midfacial profile, even amongst populations who are much different form asians, and yet rarely have the facial flatness approaching the kind seen amongst asians.

And before Emily runs to this as a wonderous example of asians being downs syndrome patients, I'd like to point out the traits seen amongst asians are generally broad neotenic traits, many of which can poorly be classified amongst anything resembling a scale of evolutionary development.

She'll also probably scream about the whole "undeveloped jaw" thing (which she did in a tirade awhile back about slavs), but will probably be silent about, say, an oversized jaw, which is much more endemic to populations with longer, taller, narrower faces, which is more common amongst people with smaller jaws and cheekbones. (again, the horse face look.)

"Mostly dark skinned and dark eyed? Yeah right. Plus, alot of these european phenotypes spread across europe *much* earlier than things like viking incursions. I want you to give evidence of the viking incursions enchancing their looks. (which I kind of doubt, since vikings were, well, pretty masculine.)"

First of all I said dark. With that I mean dark hair, dark eyes, dark eyebrows, not dark skin. Second of all, you theory on viking MEN being masculine leading to masculine GIRLS/WOMEN is the most stupid I've EVER heard. Vikings were attractive btw and MASCULINE MEN is a good thing isn't it? ;)

Also I'd like to point out that those two blonde/blue-eyed maps spread all around the web are complete bullshit without any scientific facts to prove them.

Also "why is the blondism at 79%"
lol according to that map(which is bullshit anyways) it was only a SMALL part of Russia near Finland and it said UP TO 79%, not 79%.

"Have a look at these Swedish women:

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Picture one: The one on the left looks Finnish and the one on the right like a swedish girl with a very un-swedish nose and lips. I'm guessing both of these girls are not mainly swedish or maybe not at all.
Picture two: She looks Eastern European. She looks like the Russian woman I posted but also A LOT like the girl in my school who must at least be half slavic.
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Wasn't it you who said you wanted more proof than 7 photos? Well, I want more proof for your claim than TWO pictures.

Cecilia:

"First of all I said dark. With that I mean dark hair, dark eyes, dark eyebrows, not dark skin."

Be clearer.

"Second of all, you theory on viking MEN being masculine leading to masculine GIRLS/WOMEN is the most stupid I've EVER heard."

It's only stupid if you don't know anything about basic laws of inheritance. A masculine man breeds with a feminine woman. Do you think a girl produced from that pairing is going to be as feminine as the woman?

Do you think a body builder breeding with a feminine woman is going to produce offspring much like the woman?

"Vikings were attractive btw and MASCULINE MEN is a good thing isn't it? ;)"

Yes it is, but they're not good for producing feminine women.

Once again, another horrendous defense against the idea of nordic men being feminine if their women are so feminine.

Gays, Emily won't dare to show you her face which is the asiatic version of blondism.

It is a well-known fact that epicanthic folds are an Asiatic trait and appear in people with Mongoloid admixture. Many Scandinavians(including Sdedish people) possess asiatic features:

Epicanthic folds Low nasal bridge Short nose Thin upper lip Flat midface

Hi, Visitor.

Although your informations are correct concerning the features of asians, you are not able to identify asiatic traits. Before you talk about low nasal bridge or flat midface, you should first train your eyes to point out such features. None of the girls have such traits. You are saying they have mongoloid traits just because they are swedes, not because they have such traits in fact. You are simply being biased and you are trolling

Btw, the picture that you provided...

... isn't about mongoloid admixture. It's about a person suffering from alcoholic syndrome. If you are going to lie, be more careful next time.

You sound like those angry southern europeans tired of northern europeans saying southern europeans are less white. You always bring this subject and it has no relation with the subject being discoursed.

The only woman in those pics with clear-cut "asian features" is the one on the left in the first pic, who has relatively prominent epicanthic folds.

Like the vast majority of Swedes I don't any asiatic/mongoloid traits, thankfully, since I find them utterly unattractive. I am racially Nordic, through and through, with large blue-geeen yes.

Sorry godis, but one in ten really is a gypsy in Romania. It is the unofficial figure that is figured everywhere, and it ismuch higher if you include the vast amount of people there who look gfypsy-like without actually being gypsy.

Wikipedia;

"unofficial sources claim that there are between 0.7 and 2.5 million Roma in the country,[2][3][4][5] or approximately 3 to 11% of the total population.

This may be caused either by the fact that many Roma do not declare their ethnicity in the census, or do not have an identity card or birth certificate.[6] Since 2007 members of this ethnic group have migrated in Spain, France and Italy."

I was surprised when looking for photos of Romanians because I had no idea how swarthy and gypsy-like many are. Almost every other person has that kind of look, more or less, so it's not like it's rare exceptions.

Romanian athletes. Look at those faces. A strange mix of Slavic and gypsy, I'd say.

Posting photos of women of ethnic Eastern European heritage passing them of as Swedes won't change the fact that these are not representative as they are not ethnic Swedes. I could post photos of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and call him Swedish if I wanted to deceive, which he is technically, however his parents and blood still come from Croatia and Bosnia.

As for feminine men Swedish men don't look feminine, even if the women look feminine. They may be less masculine and coarse than South European and Middle Eastern men, on average, partly due to their more gracile features that also the women possess, but to call them feminine is an exaggeration.

There may be more guys of the "cute" type in Scandinavia, but feminine, no.

Swedish women and men;

I think Scandinavians are truly blessed as they are such a beautiful people on average, and probably the most beautiful one there is since there are so many good-looking people per capita here. There are many gorgeous people in other places too, of course, and some of the most beautiful ones are the British women, when they look really good.

Comparing Swedes to asians is laughable. Can't you think of anything better than that?
This is what asians look like;

Strange looking eyes can be seen among all peoples since the mongoloid admixture is hard to erace once introduced. I can't help but thinking she would have looked even better without that eye shape. German Claudia Schiffer is another example.

These women don't suddenly look asian just because their eyes have an unfortunate shape. They still look gorgeous, but they could have looked even better.

This goes to show that asian/mongoloid admixture should be avoided in white people's gene pool.

Sophia Myles;

Claudia Schiffer;

I have to say that I'd prefer those girls to the strange gypsy/Middle Eastern look of many Romanians, though.

"Callmewhateveryouwant",

When I type in Google "Swedish people", all pictures that pop up are images of people with Mongoloid admixture.

Now, you can choose one of the following reasons for the fact that Swedish people do have the epicanthic folds!

1. Mongoloid admixture
2. Alcoholic syndrome

Which one of the two suits you best? The choice is yours!

In eiter case your people do look like having some % of Mongoloid genes, and I can not understand how can you even imagine to hate so blindly the Mongoloid people, who ironically enough, share facial features with you?!

Obviously you are incapable to detect the Mongoloid feautures amongst your own people, because you get carried away by the hair/skin and eye depigmentation. But the first thing a non-Mongoloid notices about you is your epicanthic folds. The second thing is your low nasal bridge and the wide bulbous nasal tip. The third thing is your thin upper lip. Most Scandinavians have at least one of those traits, and often possess all three of them, plus additional small eye opening, excessively wide jaw and a flat midface.

So,whether this is due to alcoholic syndrome or genetic admixture, the fact is that your appearance is not 100% European, and it is really ignorant of you to attack on Asians for the way they look.

Emily is afraid that Swedish people's appearance will not benefit from mixing with other people's genes, but from what I see, she's terribly wrong!

[img]http://www.readthesmiths.com/articles/Images/Entertainment/celebkids/woods2.jpg[/omg]

By the way, some of the most beautiful females are of mixed genetic heritage.

Just type in Google"the most beautiful woman in the world" and see what you get- Aishwarya Rai!
She is not Swedish. Angelina Jollie is the next one, also not Swedish. And the list goes on.

Talking about noses, my preferense goes to the ancient Greek type.

Again Emily is posting photos of blond people with epicanthic folds, lol.

Let me help her futher:

and so on........

It seems like the majority of the Swedish people have Asiatic appearance, but that should not make them feel inferior. I am sure many people find you exotic and as attractive as the Italians and the Spaniards! Personally, I find the Swedish people avarage attractive. They do benefit when mix with African people.

Apparently all Swedish who do not fit your own personal preferences are "not even Swedish". LOL
Please guys, stop being in denial! Can't u see how ridiculous your claims are?

Besides, noone is forcing you to like the non-Swedish people, so why do you feel the urge to scream at the rest of the world?

Great pictures Emily. Everyone knows Swedish women are amazingly beautiful but Swedish men are really HOT too!

Ooooh what lovely stunning nordic swedish beauties!

TYPICAL SWEDISH BEAUTY WITH HER STUNNING NORDIC LOOKS

Lovely feminine swedish women!

feminine swedish woman

Swedish singer with feminine body and face!!

Malena3

Emily,

You are so stupid. haha I don't even need to say what is wrong with your arguments about Romanians anymore. First of all there is really no reason to bring them up. Secondly, you make the dumbest comments all the time! haha You are so entertaining, you should join the circus or something sweetheart! I think you'd fit in freak!

And you are so in denial about the 10% non-Nordic blood Scandinavians have.

Emily, snälla hjälp mig lite, var hittar du dina bilder på svenskar/svenskor/nordiska människor? Jag vet att jag är jättedålig på att hitta/visa exempel men du visar alltid upp det så bra med exempel på hur svenskar/nordiska människor verkligen ser ut, vackra exempel. Du är allmänt bra på att hitta bilder för att visa det du menar och jag vet precis vad jag menar, bara det att jag hittar så fula bilder som oftast inte bevisar det jag argumenterar för och min poäng går förlorad. :( :) Jag ser så många naturligt och nordiskt vackra människor överallt här, liksom, VAR på nätet finns dem?**

Cecilia, just google swedish people. That is where Emily gets all of her pictures.

Great, now we are gonna have somebody else spamming this page with their nordic fetishism.

Here is some advice: get a life! Step away from the keyboard and start living!

Cecilia,

Jag letar mestadels på svenska privatpersoners bloggar och du hittar dem genom att skriva in ett svenskt namn och ett unikt svenskt ord som t.ex "är" och ett + framför. På så sätt sållar du bort icke svenska bloggar. Tack för de snälla orden, förresten. :)

Here is another photo I think is a beautiful example of the Nordic nose.

Swedish girl;

Does anyone else realize Cecilia is just Emily pretending to be someone else from Sweden, writing herself a Swedish message, so other people will think that other people actually support her ideas 100% or is it just me?

It's how Emily copes with the fact that even other people who are only attracted to Nordics find what she says bigoted, because you aren't a bigot if you only prefer one type of people, you are a bigot when you compare the looks of other races to diseases and mock children of other races by posting photos of them up on a site that should be reserved for adults only.

Emily,

I'd also like to add that the girl in the photo you posted is beautiful and by all standards very attractive. However, her nose is a far cry from "Nordic" nor it is an ideal nose.

Emily,

My Swedish princess I missed you so much!
My Darling you were right! I am in love with Nordic looks. Please tell me ... are my strange mix of Gypsy, swarthy, ethnic looks acceptable? Please be nice to me. If you say they are acceptable i will be so happy! :D I love you so much...you really opened my eyes! Now i wish i was heterosexual so i could find a blond blue eyed Nordic girl to mix with. Do you think my daughters would be feminine if that happened?

"As for feminine men Swedish men don't look feminine, even if the women look feminine. They may be less masculine and coarse than South European and Middle Eastern men, on average, partly due to their more gracile features that also the women possess, but to call them feminine is an exaggeration.

There may be more guys of the "cute" type in Scandinavia, but feminine, no."

To please you i am posing in a "cute" manner with a big smile...although my nose looks kind of big in this picture lol
This following picture is dedicated to Emily :)

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Do you still think i am feminine? I have more coarse and robust features than the Swedish men. So that means i must be more masculine right?

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Nordics rule! oops i mean Swedish/Swedens? rule!

Hi, visitor

What mongoloid admixture has to do with this topic?

You are simply saying that mongoloids resembler people with alcoholic syndrome. How you dare? Do you hate mongoloids?

Why should us hate asians? We are just saying they are not blessed concerning beauty. No reason to hate them.

Say whatever you want. Mongoloids will continue to be ugly and swedes better looking than greeks.

You are just an angry southern european.

Stop your off-topic.

Emily:

You haven't the slightest bit of evidence to support the idea that romanians themselves have heavy gypsy admixture. None.

"As for feminine men Swedish men don't look feminine, even if the women look feminine. They may be less masculine and coarse than South European and Middle Eastern men, on average, partly due to their more gracile features that also the women possess, but to call them feminine is an exaggeration.

There may be more guys of the "cute" type in Scandinavia, but feminine, no."

I never, ever said Swedish men are feminine. I just keep saying that, for swedish women to be as highly feminine as YOU and others push off, swedish men must be highly feminine as well.

The fact you admit swedish men aren't highly feminine, or even feminine, on average, is truly telling. It's a very simple law of inheritance that would require swedish women to be as feminine as you propose. Is overall facial gracility the only component of feminine beauty? No, but it's an important one.

Ergo, swedes aren't as wonderful as you want them to be and push them off as. I don't think they'd be so wonderful to anybody that lacks such a narrow standard of beauty, polluted by nationalist and ethnocentric tendencies.

"I think Scandinavians are truly blessed"

You can do nothing but invoke weird-ass quasi-mystical arguments to support the ideals you strive to project swedes as.

"as they are such a beautiful people on average,"

Your opinion. Please don't argue for the "beauty" of male swedes, by the way, since male beauty is heavily more relativistic than female beauty.

" and probably the most beautiful one there is since there are so many good-looking people per capita here."

You can assess this pretty well, I'm sure.

"Strange looking eyes can be seen among all peoples since the mongoloid admixture is hard to erace once introduced. I can't help but thinking she would have looked even better without that eye shape. German Claudia Schiffer is another example. "

ALL peoples, even with those with absolutely NO or even very little mongoloid admixture? Considering how there's no evidence of this trait being dominant, how do you account for THAT then?

"These women don't suddenly look asian just because their eyes have an unfortunate shape. They still look gorgeous, but they could have looked even better."

Ah, so not only are prominent epicanthic folds hideous, but even SLIGHT ones are terrible. I love how almost ANYTHING that falls even REMOTELY outside of your insane nordic ideals is unattractive.

Pray tell why most east asians only get partial reductions of the epicanthic fold when they undergo plastic surgery.

"This goes to show that asian/mongoloid admixture should be avoided in white people's gene pool."

LOL, even though NEITHER of these women have asian admixture. What now?

I have to go now. I'll address other comments tomorrow perhaps, even the fools claiming most swedes have an asiatic appearance. (they don't, obviously, but I find it highly doubtful it's a "rarity" considering their strong historical contacts with finns and baltics.)

By the way Emily- I'll never get enough of how you try to generalize asians with pictures like those. Let me repeat-

THERE'S ABOUT 1.5 BILLION EAST ASIANS ON THIS PLANET. It's FAR harder to make judgements on their average physical appearance compared to the tiny fraction nordics, ESPECIALLY swedes comprise.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"You are simply saying that mongoloids resembler people with alcoholic syndrome. How you dare? Do you hate mongoloids?

Why should us hate asians? We are just saying they are not blessed concerning beauty. No reason to hate them."

You've compared asians to downs syndrome/FAS patients before. You once made some nice little comment about that crowd of koreans, asking if it was a "downs syndrome parade". Leave your sick little sarcastic remarks elsewhere, you cretin.

Godis,

Seriously, you have problems. Why are you here btw? You just post pointless stuff which doesn't prove anything and nobody agrees with you.

Anybody could see I'm not Emily, I post diffirent types of pictures and I write in a VERY diffirent way since I'm younger than her.(also we may write in diffirent ways becuase WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON :P)

Emily's Biggest Fan!,
Haha those guys where so ugly, it that the best India can do? Did you see the pictures of swedish men Emily posted? C'mon they are so hot. As a response, you post 2 pictures of ugly/average looking indians who look like whites.

VioletCorpus

"but I can affirm that there is a correlation between a higher nose and beauty."

Perhaps, but what if the nose is too high, as seen with a woman like this?

Her nose isn't excesivaly high; the girl standing to the right has a nose as high as she. Instead her nose is fleshier, hooky and droopy. Actually this kind of nose approachs the dinaric nose largely found among women from South Germany, North italy and Balkan Peninsula. As long as you agree it doesn't fit beauty, you comply with Emily. For sure it's a caucasoid nose; however, it's not a kind of nose commonly found among nordic populations.

East asians frequently spoke lowly of the higher nose bridges seen among whites.

Excuse me. You know it's not true and you are making this up. Some isolate cases of aversion are possible, mainly among those very pround and chauvinist asian MEN which are angry because white man grabs the cream of the crop of asian women. Usually asian simply adore the european phenotype. It's a very known fact.

You've compared asians to downs syndrome/FAS patients before. You once made some nice little comment about that crowd of koreans, asking if it was a "downs syndrome parade". Leave your sick little sarcastic remarks elsewhere, you cretin.

I have and I remember. As you can see "Visitor" agrees with me. Anyway I don't hate asians simply because they are ugly. They are simply ugly; it's not their fault.

(they don't, obviously, but I find it highly doubtful it's a "rarity" considering their strong historical contacts with finns and baltics.)

Actually some few swedes do have a pseudo-asiatic appearance due to admixture with lapps. It's mainly seen among northern swedes. Finns do have it even more.

Anyway lapps are not mongoloid.

VC;

"THERE'S ABOUT 1.5 BILLION EAST ASIANS ON THIS PLANET. It's FAR harder to make judgements on their average physical appearance compared to the tiny fraction nordics"

No, it is not hard at all, actually, since the variation is much smaller due to the limits of the mongoloid race.

Even though there are so many asians their physical variation is STILL within the mongoloid mold. STILL within the mongoloid mold.... There is no denying that. The mongoloid race itself sets the limit to variation.

They don't come anywhere near the variation of the white race and the huge numbers of them don't change that at all. There is for example very little variation of hair and eye colour, which is something that is hugely important to looks. I love all the different colour combinations you see in white people.

It is drab and boring beyond belief to just stare at blackish eyes and hair all the time. Already in Southern Europe this wonderful colour variation declines rapidly and then it is only downhill from there.

If there were ten times as many people in this photo above the look of these people would still be pretty much the same since the limit is set by the mongoloid race. Either you find mongoloid traits appealing, or you don't. Many asians themselves don't. That's why they exit the plastic surgeon's office looking like half-asians.

http://stuffasians.blogspot.com/2008/03/41-eye-enlargement.html, check it out.
"Stuff Asian People Like:
Written By Asians, About Asians.

#41 Eye Enlargement

Posted March 20th, 2008 by everydayasian · 1 Comment

Fact: Asian women think that their eyes are ugly. They will go to many lengths to change the appearance of their eyes, from high-maintenance temporary alterations to more expensive and permanent options. So much so, that every Asian person has at least one sister, mother, aunt, grandmother, or friend who has tried to change their eyes.

Big EyesThe most common things Asian women change are their “lids.” Asian eyelids usually have a single fold (otherwise known as a monolid), whereas Caucasian eyelids have “double folds.” It is this “double fold” that Asian women spend most their lives coveting.

Young girls often start off with cheap and easily accessible apparatuses for achieving double-fold eyelids: tape or glue. Using these tools, asians, with the help of some adhesive and plastic tools, make possible this “pleat” in their own skin. During their teenage years, Asian girls learn about this from an older sister or cousin. They will also develop the asian stare at this age, which will allow them to strike fear into the hearts of people everywhere. The Asian Stare heavily contributes to the enlarging of an asian’s eyes because it requires asians to expose as much of their irises as possible. It will also prepare them for motherhood, where the asian stare will keep their children from going out with friends *gasp*. With repeated use, the Asian Stare will cause a noticeable increase in iris radius, bringing asians one step closer to having eyes as wide as wet noodles.
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These days, there is a relative newcomer in the world of Asian eye fake-outs: the circle lense. Circle lenses were made popular in Korea before the trend spread to other Asian countries and is slowly making its way to the United States. “Circle Lenses” are like colored contact lenses, except the colored portion is larger than a person’s actual iris. The reasoning is that making their irises appear larger makes asian eyes look bigger. The effect is more dramatic than folding their eyelids, and can sometimes be rather cartoon-like (look at all the anime characters). Asians may even freak people out by getting designs on their lenses, much like Michael Jackson did to the world when he turned white.

Does eye enlargement sound ridiculously strange to you, or are you a woman who finds this so appealing that you have to try it right now? Click Here to check out the many Youtube tutorials about how to glue your eyes. As asian women approach their 20’s or their high school/college graduations, they opt for plastic surgery so that they don’t have to use glue or tape everyday. Eyelid surgery is probably the most common plastic surgery for Asian women for this reason.

So why do asian women spend so much time and money trying to change their eyes? Somewhere along the way, they were given the message that Caucasian is what’s normal, and that it is preferable to have more White features. Flip through an Asian beauty or fashion magazine and if you look closely, the majority of models have done something to their eyes or noses to make them look more White. This is true whether the magazine is for Asian Americans or for old timers. Compact that with the globalization of Japanese cartoon characters, who all have eyes the size of tennis balls (sometimes even larger). School girls live their lives dreaming that they can become the next Sakura (cardcaptors) or Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon).

White beauty standards put pressure on Asian women even when they’re in their home countries (which is sad and doesn’t make much sense). For you Asian-American women who read beauty mags and never understand the part where they say “apply eyeshadow to the crease” - I suggest you check out the book Asian Faces where you can learn makeup techniques that show, not hide, your differences. Until then, there is no denying that Asians love to make their eyes look bigger.

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So Emily's right about that(and also that asians want to be as white as possible). But that's common knowledge.

I think Emily has many other identities on here for many reasons. It's becoming more and more obvious that she is resorting to faking different identities because no sane person will agree with her so she has to invent people that will.

CallMeWhateverYouWant: In some of your posts you sound retarded or as if you can't speak english and process other thoughts at the same time. Than in other posts you sound as if you speak English fluently and are very educated. Like Emily.

Cecilia: You essentially argue the same thing as Emily. You sound exactly like her because you are her.

Barberella: Might be Emily. She argues the same arguments and has the same annoying catty whiney tone Emily has. However, there is a small chance Barberella is legit meaning that unfortunatley there is someone else on the planet that is as crazy as Emily.

Here is something callmewhateveryouwant wrote a little bit ago:

"Hi, visitor

What mongoloid admixture has to do with this topic?

You are simply saying that mongoloids resembler people with alcoholic syndrome. How you dare? Do you hate mongoloids?

Why should us hate asians? We are just saying they are not blessed concerning beauty. No reason to hate them.

Say whatever you want. Mongoloids will continue to be ugly and swedes better looking than greeks.

You are just an angry southern european.

Stop your off-topic."

Here is something more recent:

Her nose isn't excesivaly high; the girl standing to the right has a nose as high as she. Instead her nose is fleshier, hooky and droopy. Actually this kind of nose approachs the dinaric nose largely found among women from South Germany, North italy and Balkan Peninsula. As long as you agree it doesn't fit beauty, you comply with Emily. For sure it's a caucasoid nose; however, it's not a kind of nose commonly found among nordic populations.

East asians frequently spoke lowly of the higher nose bridges seen among whites.

Excuse me. You know it's not true and you are making this up. Some isolate cases of aversion are possible, mainly among those very pround and chauvinist asian MEN which are angry because white man grabs the cream of the crop of asian women. Usually asian simply adore the european phenotype. It's a very known fact.

visitor above=Godis

"visitor above=Godis"
Yes we already had that one figured out. ^^...

Well if you weren't as stupid as you are you would see that I for example make spelling mistakes and call people stuff while Emily is speaking english better that your ordinary british native speaker and never calling anybody names. I say what I think is right and sometimes name calling is just what I mean. I only say "stupid" etc. anyways. I also speak about diffirent things than her and I only speak when I know something and since the discussion in here can made on a very professional level about things I don't know, haven't seen or haven't got thories about I just jump in every now and then. Emily on the other hand is in the discussion and gives examples for her arguments, so she obviously understands it.
Anybody could see this.
Also, I share many of her thoughts but I have a few of my own as well.

You're just paranoid because you know making up people is what YOU do. What was her name again? Was it Emma?

Cecilia,

"Emily's Biggest Fan!,
Haha those guys where so ugly, it that the best India can do? Did you see the pictures of swedish men Emily posted? C'mon they are so hot. As a response, you post 2 pictures of ugly/average looking indians who look like whites."

That message was directed at Emily. Those pictures are of the same guy - ME.
I don't look like "whites" and i didn't post those pictures for comparative purposes.

The girl on this photo has huge head,protruded forehead (a birth disorder characterized mainly by brain abnormalities- large head and facial anomalies?),wide jaw, fleshy face, and a bulbous nose! If she faces the camera, her epicanthic folds will show off too.

Her features are far from fine and feninine.

Look at this beautiful Korean girl, isn't she cute? Now you see Emily, why you are loosing your men to Asian females.

That is my answer to the question"Do you hate mongoloids?"

And no, I have no Mongoloid, nor do I have African admixture. I am not even South European but please keep guessing, that make me feel so important in your lives, LOL.

"Those pictures are of the same guy - ME."

Hahahaha I feel sorry for you. It's even more funny how you wanted to prove some point about some Indians(or whatever you are) being more masculine than nordic men and Emily's examples using YOUR SELF as an example :D. What's up, ego?
1. Jesus, you do not look more masculine than nordic men.
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2. You are ugly if that's what you mean with robust features.
3. LOL, dude, I can't believe you called swedish people swedens.

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Cecilia,

You don't know whats going on here so stay out of this!
I don't have an ego...maybe you are ignorant enough not to understand that i was being "sarcastic" and/or what i was trying to say. You have no right to address my looks or use my pictures.
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"image picker" wow!

Only my sadistic queen Emily can :)
I await your highness :*

Stick to your East Asian "debate"

After posting the cute Korean girl's photo, now I'm going to educate you about Indians!

"it that the best India can do?"

Well, the guy who posted his own photo here is not ugly at all, and obviously he feels very comfortable and confident about the way he looks, unlike you.

Here are some more guys from India, enjoy the view and if you are planning to post Swedish men, make sure they are at least as good looking as the guys I post. Deal?

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If you need some prove for any other race, don't be shy and let me know. I will gladly satisfy your curiosity. So, feel free to be my guest!

Those guys are not hot at all.

Here's some other pictures of swedish people and their noses:
The girl on the left and the girl in the middles are good examples of nordic noses
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"Those guys are not hot at all. "

That sounds like sour grapes, LOL.

The guys you posted are not even half as good looking. Come on, was that the best you could get? Next time try to find some really good looking guys, not worn out faces please!

The Swedish girls on the photos you posted above, are all examples of: huge head with protruded forehead, plus fleshy face with wide noses and epicanthic folds. In other words, Asiatic looking blondes. By doing that, you have just proven my point. Please, post more photos like this(lol). Thank you in advance!

If we make unbiased analyses of the facial aesthetic proportions of the couple on this photo, we'll have to agree that both the male and the female have better facial proportions than the Swedish people. I don't know how they got their flawless look, but their appearance is very pleasant to the eye.

Hi guy-too-much-of-a-coward-to-post-your-real-name. :P

"The Swedish girls on the photos you posted above, are all examples of: huge head with protruded forehead, plus fleshy face with wide noses and epicanthic folds. In other words, Asiatic looking blondes. By doing that, you have just proven my point. Please, post more photos like this(lol). Thank you in advance!"

1. They don't have pretruded foreheads.
2. I haven't proven your point. It's you who is a jealus person who never seem to have seen white people before and calls them asins unless they have long and extreamly thin heads. You obviously don't know how people in the world looks like. When viewing them from the side, you can easily see that they don't have the mongolian head shape. It's just a illusion created by you.

Yo can have a big head and still look swedish or american or whatever as long as you don't have the mongolian features and the EXACT asian head shape stupid.

Alternative swedish head shape(btw her THICK hair contributes to her big back head and the other girl's hade also made their hair "big"):

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You can see her evolved cheek, thick lips and nordic nose clearly.

Not at all like REAL asian heads:

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Cecilia 1:

"Seriously, you have problems. Why are you here btw? You just post pointless stuff which doesn't prove anything and nobody agrees with you."

Godis doesn't say much more of anything substantial, sadly. But to say "nobody agrees" with her is BS.

"Anybody could see I'm not Emily, I post diffirent types of pictures and I write in a VERY diffirent way since I'm younger than her.(also we may write in diffirent ways becuase WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON :P)"

You both act very similarly. The only difference I see is less of a nationalist tone and more a ditsy outlook. You both make strikingly similar remarks. Ridiculous comments about european history, extremely elitist outlooks on other european ethnicites, profoundly narrow-minded sense of beauty etc.

"Emily's Biggest Fan!,

Haha those guys where so ugly, it that the best India can do? Did you see the pictures of swedish men Emily posted? C'mon they are so hot. As a response, you post 2 pictures of ugly/average looking indians who look like whites."

Some of those swedish men were good looking, others were average, others were homely. Please, for the love of god, do not argue male beauty. That is freakishly more variable than female beauty.

I do wonder what unattractive swedish males are doing in the home of the nordic gods, though. I wonder what kind of woman it took to produce them.

Callmewhateveryouwant 1:

"Her nose isn't excesivaly high; the girl standing to the right has a nose as high as she. Instead her nose is fleshier, hooky and droopy."

It looks rather high to me. Fleshier, sure, but hooky and droopy? Not in the least.

"Actually this kind of nose approachs the dinaric nose largely found among women from South Germany, North italy and Balkan Peninsula. As long as you agree it doesn't fit beauty, you comply with Emily. For sure it's a caucasoid nose; however, it's not a kind of nose commonly found among nordic populations."

HAH. That barely complies with Emily in the least. I'd be complying with Emily if I outright reviled anything that falls even remotely outside of her ideals of nordic noses. And just because it's not a nose commonly found among nordics doesn't mean it's not a typical ethnic extremity of europeans and perhaps caucasoids in general.

You commit the same fallacy of treating physical traits common to one population as the end result of their normal phenotypical expression and nothing else.
By the way, that trait would indicate a more prominent, higher nasal bridge is more prone to extremities involving overtly rough looking nasal bridges.

"Excuse me. You know it's not true and you are making this up. Some isolate cases of aversion are possible, mainly among those very pround and chauvinist asian MEN which are angry because white man grabs the cream of the crop of asian women."

Bullshit. I am NOT making that up. Those kinds of references are widespread in pre-modern accounts of east asians in their encounters with europeans and other groups. Here's a fun example: http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/chapter-19.html

"It is well known, as Huc repeatedly remarks, that the Chinese of the interior think Europeans hideous, with their white skins and prominent noses. The nose is far from being too prominent, according to our ideas, in the natives of Ceylon; yet "the Chinese in the seventh century, accustomed to the flat features of the Mongol races, were surprised at the prominent noses of the Cingalese; and Thsang described them as having 'the beak of a bird, with the body of a man.'""

You'll find the anthropological and historical literature replete with comments like that on europeans. In fact, this link has an amazing selection of quotations of non-whites on white beauty prior to substantial contact and cultural influence. I can't say all of them are highly valid- you have mistranslations as a possibility, some of it being exagerated due to these being small populations who'd be more accustomed to more attractive women in their populations, who, relative to an objective standard of beauty, would be rather removed from it, along with very specific forms of fethishizations (IE fuegians plucking their eyebrows and eyelashes) etc. But much of this is consistent, and highly repliclable.

It's especially more significant in large populations like the chinese, as opposed to small tribal populations whom the most attractive female would probably be only marginally feminine- because that's the best their tiny populations can produce.

"Usually asian simply adore the european phenotype. It's a very known fact."

It's only really the koreans that "adore" white beauty. And even then it's not a full blown admiration. They certainly don't like how whites age much more poorly compared to asians, the greater facial masculinity of white women, the greater body hair and more prominent brows etc. It's more of a specific form of white female beauty combined with their own phenotypes. (but again and again, I'll say that aging is related to a myriad of genetic factors unrelated to skin color, facial femininity is primarily related to testosterone, much of the differences in body hair is due to testosterone and can be a component of masculine beauty, the same holding true for brows etc.) The chinese and japanese are significantly more ambivalent. I wouldn't deny that some the "admiration", though the vast majority of it focused in the nasal area, is simply a reflection of an intrinsic preference, but then again, this goes in line with the insane assumption that whites don't have their own ethnic extremities.

A clear-cut ethnic extremity of whites and similar groups is an overtly long, narrow, tall face, which is more prone to development in populations with small jaws and cheekbones.

"I have and I remember. As you can see "Visitor" agrees with me. Anyway I don't hate asians simply because they are ugly. They are simply ugly; it's not their fault."

Good. I'm glad you remembered. So why did take some smarmy-ass position of deriding him for supposedly comparing them downs syndrome patients?

"Actually some few swedes do have a pseudo-asiatic appearance due to admixture with lapps. It's mainly seen among northern swedes. Finns do have it even more."
I genuinely doubt it's "few."

"Anyway lapps are not mongoloid."

Not fully, but much of the recent genetic evidence suggests them being about 50% central asian on average: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_people#Genetics

Still, some evidence- albeit this is older- suggests these phenotypes to be purely european: http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/the-origin-of-the-baltic-finns/

If that's the case, one must wonder how they got such asian traits with a lack of admixture from them- even the model of central asian admixture makes the high frequency of asian traits too much to account for admixture alone, especially with clear asian features among icelandics, and the lack of asian features among many finns.
I bring this up in face of Emily's sick little nazi-esque tirades about asians looking like a genetic experiment gone wrong, something being wrong with them evolutionarily etc. I know full well of how stupid it is to tag anybody with racially inclusive ideals as a nazi. But the sick crap she's said about asian traits perfectly echoes theories espoused by the nazis and the like.

And again- WHAT is your racial background and ancestry? Stop beating around the bush. You say you're not nordic. Then what the hell are you?

Emily:

"No, it is not hard at all, actually, since the variation is much smaller due to the limits of the mongoloid race."

It's true that there's less phenotypical variation in east asians (not mongoloids AS A WHOLE, though, which encompasses such incredibly diverse groups as southeast asians, central asians, pacific islanders, amerinds etc.) than europeans, sure, but to make judgements upon them based on the same pictures you keep spamming, which are, in many cases, aren't even true to their ethnic traits, is ridiculous.

1.5 billion people, Emily. Try to compare the few hundred or so you've screeched about to that staggering number.

"Even though there are so many asians their physical variation is STILL within the mongoloid mold. STILL within the mongoloid mold.... There is no denying that. The mongoloid race itself sets the limit to variation."

Which isn't anywhere near as how ugly you paint them as.

"They don't come anywhere near the variation of the white race and the huge numbers of them don't change that at all."

In terms of averages, no, but in terms of gross numbers, then yeah, it's probably more diverse.

"There is for example very little variation of hair and eye colour, which is something that is hugely important to looks. I love all the different colour combinations you see in white people."

This is such an insanely stupid argument made by nordic fetishists, and even people much less inclusive than about white beauty as you. If you're going to argue much of these colors are relative (they don't seem to be to you), then just HOW does that make whites more attractive? HOW do relative physical traits make whites more beautiful, other than some vague notion of uniqueness? It doesn't.

But even this level of diversity isn't enough for you. You don't like black hair. You don't like anything outside of pale nordic white. You don't like brown eyes, ESPECIALLY dark brown eyes. You don't even like olive green eyes. The only traits you like are blonde hair, red hair, MAYBE brown hair, and blue eyes, grey eyes, and classic green eyes. Whites have all of the other traits you revile, in many cases higher than the traits you adore. So what the hell is special about diversity when your standards exclude alot of it?

Non-whites, and populations farther away from the extremities of human skin color distribution (IE the pale white seen among nordics and the dark black seen among sudanese, senegambian, and central africans) usually show far more diversity in skin color than whites. Under your standards of uniqueness, most non-whites should be more attractive in that regard.

But wait, no. You revile even skin colors outside of pale nordic white.

"It is drab and boring beyond belief to just stare at blackish eyes and hair all the time."

Man, it sure makes people more attractive to be more diverse, even if this diversity is purely or heavily relative when you get right down to it.

"Already in Southern Europe this wonderful colour variation declines rapidly and then it is only downhill from there."

What the hell does this mean? Light hair and eyes have always been in lower frequencies than the rest of european even before the incursions of middle eastern populations. (which has made marginal effects on their phenotypes)

Lovely. Emily has finally trashed on southern europeans. Nobody is exempt from your screwed up nationalist politics.

"If there were ten times as many people in this photo above the look of these people would still be pretty much the same since the limit is set by the mongoloid race."

On a relative continuum, of course. But then you still have more skin color diversity and eyelid structure diversity than whites.

Those pictures are another repost, by the way. From one of your meltdowns. When you compared them to a genetic experiment gone wrong.

"Either you find mongoloid traits appealing, or you don't. Many asians themselves don't. That's why they exit the plastic surgeon's office looking like half-asians."

Again, it's primarily koreans. This also assuming all the asians who get plastic surgery look like half asians (they don't. why aren't they looking as white as possible if they hate themselves so much?) and all of this is entirely unrelated to culture.

Cecilia 2:

"So Emily's right about that(and also that asians want to be as white as possible). But that's common knowledge."

Emily is right about almost nothing, and it's a sick exageration that asians want to look as white as possible. (why aren't asian women getting brow implants or collagen reductions or testosterone injections?)

As I've said many times before, east asians primarily get partial reductions of the epicanthic fold. (which in many cases, looks marginally to no better than before.) And how this preference seems to have been non-existant prior to substantial western contact.

Godis: "I think Emily has many other identities on here for many reasons. It's becoming more and more obvious that she is resorting to faking different identities because no sane person will agree with her so she has to invent people that will."

As much as I revile Emily, I really think this is an inane idea, and I have to question your reservations as to why you'd make these kinds of accusations. Cecilia seems ridiculously similar to Emily, but callmewhateveryouwant and Barbarella are alot different and have made themselves clear. I don't think it's hard for people with their mindset to find this site when, for some reason, alot of google image searches relating to physical features discussed on this site bring this site up at some of the top image results.

Callmewhateveryouwant is definitely strange, though. I don't think hes "retarded", but his thought processes seem very skewed, at times, and is grossly incosistent with his speaking abilities. He could likely be some kind of south asian with a nordic fetish, which isn't too uncommon to see. (and why he's so put off from telling us what his ethnic background is)

At the end of the day, it's sad to say Emily's views aren't uncommon. The kind of white fetishism she pushes off is endemic to many racialists, white nationalists, supremacists etc. (who also sadly aren't that uncommon) But I admit I rarely, and I mean RARELY see someone as extreme as her. You know, someone who trashes on the looks of anyone outside of her tiny little ethnic group and shows outright disdain to even fellow whites.

I wonder how she looks upon and treats all the finns that live in Sweden?

Visitor:
"The girl on this photo has huge head,protruded forehead (a birth disorder characterized mainly by brain abnormalities- large head and facial anomalies?),wide jaw, fleshy face, and a bulbous nose! If she faces the camera, her epicanthic folds will show off too.
Her features are far from fine and feninine."

These are inane, crude remarks to make from such a poor profile image. You're using the same exact tactics as Emily is with her judgements upon even attractive, ethnic looking asians posted. But whoever you are, I doubt your perceptions of beauty are as bad as her's.

"Look at this beautiful Korean girl, isn't she cute? Now you see Emily, why you are loosing your men to Asian females."

To act like fetishes of racial attraction are so strongly due to another group simply finding another more attractive is stupid as hell. Stereotypes of their personalities and behaviors can play a strong role (which sometimes are true, but are exagerated nonetheless), such as the idea of asian women being so much more submissive and less domineering than white women, or how people act like most asian women are the ideals of feminine beauty. The same holds true with how so many white women like black men. (and vice versa)

At the end of the day, though, a sizable portion of this IS due to them simply finding them more attractive.

Although I think the author of this article is a total jackass, it's dead on in many regards about interracial attraction: http://www.isteve.com/islovecolorblind.htm

But, there are some flaws with it, still: http://web.archive.org/web/20050421043300/www.geocities.com/sailerfraud/ir.html

The general message holds true though- a good deal of interracial attraction, such as white men liking asian women or black men liking white women is simply due to them finding them more attractive in certain regards than women of their own race.
Emily, awhile back, argued that its almost entirely due to old pedophilic loser white men going for asian women.

Cecilia 2:

Oh god. You really are trying to argue for the looks of white men.
I'll repeat again- standards of male beauty are far more ambivalent than those for women. Few populations "adore" the looks of white men. It's only really a good deal of indians, and some koreans. Nobody else really gives a shit, especially blacks.
And to the indian guy who's posting your pics, you're pretty good looking, I'd say. (do you have dark green or olive eyes? Hey, what's that doing in a non white?)

Cesilia, The Swedish girls on those photo do not look 100% European. Apart from that, their facial features are unproportional. You need to learn to accept the facts and deal with it- huge heads,wide jaws, puffy faces and boulbous nasal tips are not European traits.

Straight,fine noses and deep-set eyes are.

Have a look at these attractive faces:

...and bodies

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Wow, what a beutiful world!

Cecilia commented before me.

That korean plastic surgery series doesn't show too much of a change from their previous portraits. Some facial feminization, eyelid reduction, maybe some partial jaw and cheekbone reduction (certainly a relativistic trait) and tooth correction. (which is largely non-genetic.) That's about it. Still look strongly asian, and good looking, I might add. (but not particularly attractive. Wait, how can I have an asian fetish when I don't find those korean women highly attractive?)

"That korean plastic surgery series doesn't show too much of a change from their previous portraits. Some facial feminization, eyelid reduction, maybe some partial jaw and cheekbone reduction (certainly a relativistic trait) and tooth correction. (which is largely non-genetic.) That's about it. Still look strongly asian, and good looking, I might add. (but not particularly attractive. Wait, how can I have an asian fetish when I don't find those korean women highly attractive?)"
How come YOU only post pictures of photoshoped pictures, plastic surgery and mixed-race asians if you think their real traits are so beautiful?

It's funny how you argue against youself by posting those bullshit pics that you know? Saying those traits are so beautiful and that I secretly love them as well so I post pictures of "asian-like" swedish girls or "blonde asians" LOL while you post pictures of korean girls who have removed/are missing THOSE EXACT TRAITS.

Beauty=The truth

You like the lie.

Cesilia, that girl you talk about has clearly Mongoloid eyes. Her face is puffy, and she appears to have underdeveloped breast. She is not even avarage attractive. In fact, her facial features look a lot like this man's face:

Find something better than that, please.

Ooops linked to the wrong person. It was mainly to you Violetcorpus.

I like all people(even Swedish Mongoloids like you), but people of mixed races are amongst the most attractive people on the world and that is a fact!

Oh shit, I thought you, Visitor posted the last message at fist(he posted the pictures) so it was to you(without the quote of Violetcorpus of course :))

"like all people(even Swedish Mongoloids like you), but people of mixed races are amongst the most attractive people on the world and that is a fact!"

Yeah I look soo mongoloid :). Duh, many mixed people are attractive but seriously nordic people are the most beautiful on their own even though the result can turn out well. And bright and beautiful traits disappear, like white hair for example is very, very pretty and it can never be found among mixed races(if the child isn't an albino. It can't be found anywhere else than in Scandinavia and some other areas anyways.

Very cool and pretty. =)

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Swedish legends mixed with famous and random people.

Cecilia:

"How come YOU only post pictures of photoshoped pictures,"

I haven't posted that many pictures to begin with. All I've really posted are feminine asian women with large jaws and cheekbones to prove the idea that either can be correlated with femininity is wrong. Do show how they're photoshopped.

"plastic surgery"

Show me that they had plastic surgery.
"and mixed-race asians"

HAHAHAHAHHA! Man, either you really are Emily or stupid-ass, flat out RETARDED arguments like this really are endemic to nordic fetishists!

How could I be posting so many mixed-race asians when they are an EXTREME MINORITY in their own countries?

"if you think their real traits are so beautiful?"

Since you, by now, are obviously a complete idiot, even moreso than Emily, I have said TIME and TIME again that virtually EVERY SINGLE RACE has their own ethnic extremities. It's just hard to quantify, at this point, a number of those, and for what it's worth, lend little credence to nordics, or even whites in general as being the epicenter of it all.

"It's funny how you argue against youself by posting those bullshit pics that you know? Saying those traits are so beautiful and that I secretly love them as well"

What a crock of shit. I have NEVER accused you of "secretly" loving those traits. You and Emily and other like-minded nordic fetishists are the only ones who have done this. NOT ME. You're the only who thinks I'm jealous because I'm not falling head over heels for the swedes you spam. (some of them I dislike probably due to DIFFERING TASTES, others because I genuinely find them not that attractive or not attractive at all, and genuinely am baffled you do yourself.)

But I won't deny I think you and Emily feel the same way about, well, virtually all asians that have been posted. You seem to be revolted or barely attracted to anything posted so far. They're undeveloped fetal dwarves with downs syndrome and the only good looking ones have hardcore plastic surgery or white admixture. Such extreme judgements about such a huge variety of asians posted indicate a few things:

-You're sickeningly insecure and think its heretical to like anything that falls even slightly outside of your nordic ideals.
-You genuinely do have such narrow perceptions of beauty, but instead of keeping it to yourself, feel the need to pollute the study of human aestethics with revolting biases, tinged by nationalistic outlooks, with that kind of filth.
-A combination of the above.

"so I post pictures of "asian-like" swedish girls or "blonde asians" LOL"

I've pretty much never done this.

"while you post pictures of korean girls who have removed/are missing THOSE EXACT TRAITS."

I haven't posted korean girls- only japanese ones. You don't seem to deny that the removal of those traits is pretty slight, though, do you?

"Beauty=The truth

You like the lie."

I'm not even gonna touch this one at this point. Fuck you. Go wall off Sweden so it can be free from the polluting influences of anything non-swedish because some trashy little girls who hate everybody non-swedish say so.

Race is Arbitrary along with the idea of beauty which is often defined by a culture. Stereotypes like Asian and White are also arbitrary. I don't know if there is such a thing as white DNA and Asian DNA, don't we all share the same DNA with a little genetic variance? Aren't we all part of the same race, Homo Sapien? (excuse me for the misspelling)Can't we all interbreed to make children that are also capable of making children? Making generalizations like that are offensive. If you want to say someone is pretty look at the individual, not the race that you think that person is a part of.

Oh by the way, I found this site because I searched sexy Albino men. And I found this hot muscled man and looked at the site it came from. Man who ever who that picture up send me a link where I can find more cause DAMN!

I thought Visitor posted the message from you (Visitor posted the pictures) so it was to him, not you. I only wrote that becuase of his pictures and saing the girls I pick look like blonde asians etc.
So I didn't mean it when I posted it to you(I haven't seen any pictures from you).

Btw how pissed of were you? O_O.
Woow

"Cesilia, The Swedish girls on those photo do not look 100% European. Apart from that, their facial features are unproportional. You need to learn to accept the facts and deal with it- huge heads,wide jaws, puffy faces and boulbous nasal tips are not European traits.

Straight,fine noses and deep-set eyes are.
Have a look at these attractive faces:
(look at the photos he posted)"

"The Swedish girls on the photos you posted above, are all examples of: huge head with protruded forehead, plus fleshy face with wide noses and epicanthic folds. In other words, Asiatic looking blondes. By doing that, you have just proven my point. Please, post more photos like this(lol). Thank you in advance!

If we make unbiased analyses of the facial aesthetic proportions of the couple on this photo, we'll have to agree that both the male and the female have better facial proportions than the Swedish people. I don't know how they got their flawless look, but their appearance is very pleasant to the eye."

Look at our conversation you will understand this.

To Visitor(without your quote)
"It's funny how you argue against youself by posting those bullshit pics that you know? Saying those traits are so beautiful and that I secretly love them as well so I post pictures of "asian-like" swedish girls or "blonde asians" LOL while you post pictures of korean girls who have removed/are missing THOSE EXACT TRAITS.

Beauty=The truth

You like the lie."

Cesilia, do you honestly believe that you can impose your worn out appearance as an aestetic ideal? LOL.

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Beautiful mixed genes sisters

Gorgeous Japanese girl

Mixed genes hotty
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Wow, it's a beautiful world, indeed!

We obviously don't have the same taste because all of the pictures you post of ugly/average/dull looking people saying "so attractive" "pleasant to the eye" and comparing them to pretty people or people with pretty features are not beautiful. And if you had read more carefully what I said, I said that certain traits disappear when mixing races, such as having natural white hair which is uncommon in the world enough as it is. I posted pictures of random people with white hair. I didn't try to find the most swedish-looking or good-looking people, I just wanted to show you how beautiful white hair is and how mixed races can never get these bright types of hair and bright looks.

Visitor wrote:

After posting the cute Korean girl's photo, now I'm going to educate you about Indians!

The only person who needs to be educated about indian is you.

The reality looks more like this:

The actual Indian man

The actual Indian woman

Bollywood is just a dream. Wake up.

Visitor wrote:

After posting the cute Korean girl's photo, now I'm going to educate you about Indians!

The only person who needs to be educated about indian is you.

The reality looks more like this:

The actual Indian man

The actual Indian woman

Bollywood is just a dream. Wake up.

Cecilia:

How is white hair attractive? It's the color everyone gets as they age. White hair to me is associated with old age, as are eyes that are so light they seem worn out. I like bright vivid colors. Like BRIGHT blue eyes or bright blonde hair. Not colorless hair and eyes. Thank you. I am sure the majority of people can agree with me.

"How is white hair attractive? It's the color everyone gets as they age. White hair to me is associated with old age, as are eyes that are so light they seem worn out. I like bright vivid colors. Like BRIGHT blue eyes or bright blonde hair. Not colorless hair and eyes. Thank you. I am sure the majority of people can agree with me."

Well the whole hollywood agrees with me. Girls in general and moviestars love to colour their hair white blonde. It's more of a greyish tone to it when you age and naturally white hair(which generally bright features) REALLY looks beautiful on kids, teens and grown people and I know many people agree with me. "the majority" lol that's just bullshit. Just because you are an ugly "indian-fetisch"(to use your own word lol) indian who can't accept the fact that brighter is much often SO MUCH prettier.
And the eyes are not colourless. Again, we are not talking about albinos, people with white hair most often have colourful bright blue eyes and there can often be some yellow/blonde tones in people with white hair's heads. In Sweden I have even known girls with natural white hair, very white skin and dark brown eyes and it's actually a alternative look, not a mixup of races.

*natural white hair(with generally bright features)

OMG, you really are very ignorant about the racian diversity in India. Let me enlighten you!

Ordinary Kashmiri faces on Google. BTW, Kasmir is in India.(lol)

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VioletCorpus and Visitor,
Thanks for the kind words! :D

Cecilia,
Since you love posting profile pictures and making comments like these
"You can see her evolved cheek, thick lips and Nordic nose clearly."

What do you think of my thick lips, "evolved" cheek and Nordic nose profile???

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Isn't it suspicious that Emily seems to have disappeared and Cecilia replaced her? hmmmm

Callmewhateveryouwant

I think being a real Indian i can talk about the looks of Indians. *cough* *cough*
The girl looks fine to me.

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This man's nose is closer to your Nordic ideal for noses. Wide, fleshy nasal tip.

Visitor wrote:

OMG, you really are very ignorant about the racian diversity in India. Let me enlighten you!

Ordinary Kashmiri faces on Google. BTW, Kasmir is in India.(lol)

Lol the typical national geographic kind of photography.

I'm not ignorant about the India's racial diversity. Unlike you, I know how the majority is. By the way, leave the children alone.

Most indians are dark and short

This man's nose is closer to your Nordic ideal for noses. Wide, fleshy nasal tip.

Now you are saying that indians are dark mongoloids.

Cecilia:

"Btw how pissed of were you? O_O.
Woow"

Yeah, I was mad. Throughout debates on this site I've gone off the handle at times. In more recent discourses with Emily and the like, I've reamined more composed. You, however, are just stupid. Just seriously, flat out stupid. Not because you're not "well read" in anthropology or history or whatever (as Barbarella accused me of before, but retracted, which I thank her for) but because you act just flat out unintelligent. I'll be more composed from now on, but my god, I don't think actual debate is for you.

"We obviously don't have the same taste because all of the pictures you post of ugly/average/dull looking people saying "so attractive" "pleasant to the eye" and comparing them to pretty people or people with pretty features are not beautiful. And if you had read more carefully what I said, I said that certain traits disappear when mixing races, such as having natural white hair which is uncommon in the world enough as it is. I posted pictures of random people with white hair. I didn't try to find the most swedish-looking or good-looking people, I just wanted to show you how beautiful white hair is and how mixed races can never get these bright types of hair and bright looks."

That's an absolute load of garbage. Go to central asian countries like Kazakhstan, which is primarily composed of white-central asian mixes and notice the high frequencies of light hair. I've seen loads of dark skinned indians and american blacks with light eyes, too. Just because those traits require both parents to carry the alleles doesn't mean those of mixed race can never get those looks.

While it seems true that many of the light hair types seen among whites are easily diluted by even moderately dark skin (IE the trait becoming invisible at a certain point), that's not to say there's other light hair alleles that show the opposite:

http://thestudyofracialism.org/about1096.html

Australo-melanesians are an oceanian and pacific islander group. In terms of facial featues they generally resemble black africans, but are most closely related to southeast asians. They are, in fact, the least related people to africans on earth.
And many of them show extraordinarily high frequencies of light hair. Blonde hair and all of it's varying shades, brown hair and all of it's varying shades, and everything in between. Some of them even show red hair, albeit this is quite rare. (and obviously very different from the kind seen among whites and the like, in terms of its genetic basis)

The fact these traits show up so easily in a dark skinned population shows their light hair phenotypes aren't diluted in the least by skin color.
Notice how many of the kids have platinum blonde hair, which, yes, can even show up into adulthood.

And no, I don't often see females in Hollywood dye their hair platinum blonde, even less so with typical american whites. I can actually speak for this because I'm american.

Callmewhateveryouwant:

"The only person who needs to be educated about indian is you.
The reality looks more like this:"

Ah, another generalization of over 1 billion by people by 2 pictures. This is even more insane to do than with east asians due to their profound physical diversity.

On the topic of east asians typically fitting their mold, which Emily went on about, I won't deny they've frequently fit certain ethnic traits. I just find it hilarious to generalize such a huge population based on a few hundred unattractive individuals you find online, some of whom fit certain extreme ethnic traits, others fit unattractive traits that are race dependent.

Of course, people like Emily want to believe virtually all asians are wide faced, have pancake flat noses and faces, incredibly wide noses, and buck teeth, though.
I've seen many typical indians vastly better than the people in Bollywood, by the way. Even Aishwarya Rai, who is insanely overrated. I'm not sure what attracts so many people to her. Maybe it's because alot of indians have a white fetish or she fits some vague mold of some middle eastern type beauty ideal. I mean, her nose is nice, but that's about it.

And I ask again what your racial background is. But at this point, I guess it's pretty futile.

India is a vast country and the Southern Indians are very different from the Northern Indians. I am surprised that in Sweden you did not study about it?! That is called lack of general knowledge.

The Swedish nose and the Dravidian type have the fleshiness in common. Most possibly, it happened in the Mongoloid melting pot. It is just a fact and you should not overreact about it, especially when you are the one pointing at other people. You should be prepared to listen what others see about you too.

I'm sorry Cesilia, but so far you failed to convince me that Swedish are more attractive/evolved/feminine etc.. To me even you models look average.


Now compare to these cute Asian females!

Beautyyyyyyfoool swede

forehead swede

More beautiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiful swede!

lovely swede

Ugly asian actress Go Ara

Go Ara

So ugly asian

Go Ara

Asian women are ugly and I'm an Asian man

look at this chart and all of you nordic supremacists can deny no more that you are't mixed with the asiatic ppl.
Look at the world DNA map. It seems CLEAR to me that the Asianid ( yellow ) part and its two descendants, the?
Eurasid ( dark blue ) part and Hindid ( dark orange ) part are DOMINATING like crazy! I'm from China and I'm O-M175 ( in the yellow part ).
http://thegeneticatlas.com/

http://thegeneticatlas.com/Y-DNA_map.jpg

European women are ugly, and I am European man.

Whatever the asian admixture in Sweden, it's obviously quite low, and the majority of asiatic traits in swedes comes from finns.

"Whatever the asian admixture in Sweden, it's obviously quite low, and the majority of asiatic traits in swedes comes from finns."

Noone here cares about the % of your Asiatic admixture, the point is that you do have it, and you can not change it, nor hide it. In this case you should be more tolerant and respectful about the race that your ancestors chose to mix with in the past. Because you do carry the Momgoloid genes and that is a fact!

"Noone here cares about the % of your Asiatic admixture, the point is that you do have it, and you can not change it, nor hide it."

You are deranged. There is a tiny minority in Sweden that has some asiatic genes due to Sami and Finnish admixture, primarily in the far North (to give you an impression of the size of Sweden; turn it upside down and the tip will reach Naples, Italy).

Swedes on average don't have mongoloid admixture. Posting unrepresentative photos doesn't change that fact, and I have no idea what a Finnish mass murderer and the French President's Italian wife have got to do with Swedes.

"In this case you should be more tolerant and respectful about the race that your ancestors chose to mix with in the past. Because you do carry the Momgoloid genes and that is a fact!"

lol

You know, to me this sounds like an envious asian's admiration for a race that is clearly your superior when it comes to looks, and your desperate wish to attach yourself to it in any way you can.

I also bet it is the same deviant mind that posts the photoshopped troll photos of white people and compare them to artificial photos of plastic surgery altered asians who look like children.

Pure Swedes - the vast majority in other words - do not have mongoloid admixture. On the contrary, Sweden is one of the racially purest countries on earth, and is by far the best place to go if you want to find the white race in its purest form. That goes for Norway and Denmark, as well.

Swedes;

Asians;

I think it's rather sad, this desire to attach yourself to another race, but when you compare them I cannot honestly say that I don't understand it.

Whatever the asian admixture in Sweden, it's obviously quite low, and the majority of asiatic traits in swedes comes from finns."

Yes, it is low in Sweden and much lower than in Finland. However, even in Swedes that Asiatic element is apparent in their bone structure. Not all Swedes, but some. I have noticed this over time as Emily kept posting more and more photos. I have noticed it a long time ago, when she first started doing it. It goes to show that if someone can see that, its quite apparent. Perhaps there isn't even admixture, perhaps in all honestly they just evolved similar features to deal with the same environment. I'm no expert on evolution so I don't know. All I know is I see many Swedes have a high frequency of wide faces (don't get me wrong many have long narrow faces as well), sometimes epicanthal lids, and their cheekbones often give it away as well along with their overall face shape and facial structure. There are cues in their bone structure and I even picked up some of them subconciously only realizing it over time what I have been observing. I always knew Scandinavians in general look very different from your average "Nordic". And even if Germans have a "dinaric" element to them as Whoever it was mentioned, that "dinaric" bone structure doesn't deviate as far away from the Nordic bone structure as the Asiatic features many Finns and some Swedes display do. It's as simple as that. Besides, just because a German person has a hooked or not a perfectly straight nose, doesn't mean that they have dinaric roots. It is common sense that Nordic's too have features among the population that are "off". Meaning one could be 100% Nordic with no dinaric or other admixture, and have a hooked nose. Nordics are not exempt from the "hooked" nose.

Funny, funny Godis....been away for a while, doing that crazy thing called living a life. All time spent on my computer consists of my finishing my degree, so it's been a minute since I've looked over this site.

The point was, as pertaining to the first sentence, was that she sounds the same, grovelling to Emily in hopes that Emily really will believe that she's beautiful, when it shoulsn't matter.

And the rest of those that are trying futilely to change Emily's mind. It's never done any good, and it will continue to be fruitless.

Wow Emily, you finally admit that Swedes DO have Mongoloid admixture? I will note that as a mental progress for you!

Now, to you maybe "Swedes on average don't have mongoloid admixture", because you too have it and can not see beyond it. But for someone like me, who has got PURE European features, you are an Asiatic hybrid. Do you get that? The photos you post prove your claims insane(with all those pig's noses!)Yuck!

now let's compare your "bad" looking Asians vs bad looking Swedes!

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Do you see how ridiculous you are in your sad attempt to twist the reality?

Let's see it this way too:

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As you can see, the Asian females on the photos above are superior to the Swedish ones. And if you like this image game, we can continue to play it. I'm very good in it, so you have been warned! LOL.

To all Asian people who visit this site: Please, do not feel bad about Europeans, because we (the REAL ones)do love you and respect you as we do respect all other human beings. People like Emily are brainwashed nazi losers, who feel the urge to insult on people in order to feel significant at some level.

No Barberella,

The funny thing is how you mispelled the little name you created for yourself. Perhaps you shouldn't pick such a HARD name to spell next time. It's not that hard to have a life and come on here and type something here and there once in a while! I guess you just aren't great at balancing out your life and managing your time now are you? Well don't accuse those of us who are good at that of not having a life.

Oh, I lost 10lbs and I have the GREATEST shape right now btw! I'm debating whether I should post photos or not. I mean I am really tempted to, since you had so much fun making fun of my weight. I don't think you'll have much to make fun of now or when I lose about 5 more lbs too!

Emily:

"You are deranged. There is a tiny minority in Sweden that has some asiatic genes due to Sami and Finnish admixture, primarily in the far North (to give you an impression of the size of Sweden; turn it upside down and the tip will reach Naples, Italy).

Swedes on average don't have mongoloid admixture. Posting unrepresentative photos doesn't change that fact, and I have no idea what a Finnish mass murderer and the French President's Italian wife have got to do with Swedes."

This is a load of shit and you know it, Emily. The vast majority of the genetic evidence utterly disagrees with you. Sure, it says the AVERAGE admixture in sweden is very low, but it doesn't change the fact IT'S THERE. Even *if* it's all wrong, a good deal of swedes very likely do have asiatic traits due to historical contacts with finns and baltics. And those traits would be purely indigenous to Europe, not via some evolutionary degeneration that's prominent among asians or whatever sick little nazi-esque racial theories you've cooked up.

"You know, to me this sounds like an envious asian's admiration for a race that is clearly your superior when it comes to looks, and your desperate wish to attach yourself to it in any way you can."

All of the attempts to emphasize asian admixture in nordics are generally pretty petty, but it's simple reality, and it's especially relevant in regards to your hatred of asians and their physical features.

"I also bet it is the same deviant mind that posts the photoshopped troll photos of white people and compare them to artificial photos of plastic surgery altered asians who look like children."

Ah, funny how you call that one braindead spammer a "deviant mind" but then go on your usual tirade of comparing all attractive asians to "children with plastic surgery". You're such scum.

"Pure Swedes - the vast majority in other words - do not have mongoloid admixture. On the contrary, Sweden is one of the racially purest countries on earth, and is by far the best place to go if you want to find the white race in its purest form. That goes for Norway and Denmark, as well."

This is a desperate belief of your's and you know it full well. Either refute all of this genetic evidence of central asian admixture in swedes (which is VERY low on average, regardless) or accept it. I find it kind of hard to believe sweden as so homogenous in face of, once again, their close historical contact with finns and baltics.

The purest people in europe are technically the irish, by the way.

.....And there you go, spamming the same pointless photos again.

Godis: I don't know that much about these physical traits you bespeak of, in terms of the average looks of swedes. I haven't noticed it much myself, but again, it's likely higher in Sweden than in mainland europe.

Barbarella: As I said long ago, it doesn't matter if Emily's mind isn't changed in the least and she goes to the grave the same misanthropic nordicist as she is now. This makes great intellectual exercise and serves as good education to others on this topic.

Visitor:

Both of those groups of swedes and asians are pretty bad. They both have bad teeth and mouths, and the swedes are offset by atrocious tans. But then, those asians have bad lips.

You also don't help your case with posting that "attractive" asian model when she has such strong caucasian features (and could be part white), but that swedish model is pretty bad. She looks very manly, almost like a cheap porn star.

These are some much better examples of generally attractive, quite feminine asians with proper ethnic looks (all japanese):


...Yes, I know all of these women aren't perfect or highly attractive, but there's the general trend of femininity and looking just fine with such ethnic traits.

I like people of mixed races, and that is my case. BTW I'm not sure if she's mixed or pure Japanese, but she looks very beautiful.

"Oh, I lost 10lbs and I have the GREATEST shape right now btw! I'm debating whether I should post photos or not. I mean I am really tempted to, since you had so much fun making fun of my weight. I don't think you'll have much to make fun of now or when I lose about 5 more lbs too!"

You will still be made fun of Godis. Women get off on tearing up other women. Get used it.

Yes, she's good looking, but simply not an example of an east asian with proper ethnic traits.

No VC, it is not " a load of shit". I love it when envious and ignorant non-whites from the USA sit there and write lies, pretending to know something about my people when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. You reveal your ignorance to every Scandinavian.

When you include people with Finnish and Sami admixture who live in the far North you will get a general average that doesn't reflect reality, or what people generally look like, so there is the answer to that.

Mongoloid admixture is rarely seen in Sweden except in those cases, and in fact, due to Sweden having never been occupied and invaded there is a racial purity here that is rarely seen in other places.

Sorry if that is not the truth you like but it is nevertheless the truth. I live here and I know better than you what we look like here. You have a false idea based on wishful thinking due to your own anti-white and pro-asian bias.

Actually, when you go to Germany you will see far more with mongoloid admixture than you do in Scandinavia. There is a small percentage that has it all over Europe.

How do you know VC is not white?

"Yes, she's good looking, but simply not an example of an east asian with proper ethnic traits."

The girls does not have to be an example of an east asian with "proper ethnic traits". The point is that she does look better than the pure Europeans and also better than the pure Asians. Who cares about the rest?!

I don't!

Emily,

Why can't you just accept the fact that Swedish people are not a pure race? That is the truth, and no matter what you try to lie here, we'll always note your Asiatic appearance because it is there. Simple as that!

Because Emily is an obvious narcissist. She will never be honest enough to admit this as she views Asians as inferior to her race. If she admitted that Nordics do indeed has Asiatic traits she would in fact be admitting she is inferior. She will never do that.

have* excuse my typo.

Nordics do not have Asiatic features or DNA on average. However, in certain areas the DNA is mixed in and apparent. This is primarily in Finland but that extends into Sweden as well. Populations do not have well defined borders. You can't take a marker, draw lines and say okay, everybody from here to here is like this, and everybody from here to here is like that. However, Emily thinks she can do that.

The truth of the matter is that some Nordics have that DNA. The Asian DNA has been traced and confirmed. Period. It's not like someone just pulled this out of their asses. You can find many scientific studies that can verify this. In addition you can find many "Nordics" that have Asian features. They do not look Asians. But they display one or two similar features at times.

Emily likes to think she is somehow "pure". I am still waiting for the day when one race or country of people will be proven pure. We all have a history, we all stemmed from somewhere.

Emily will always be in denial. She doesn't understand that mainland Europe does not have Asiatic traits or does so on a much much smaller frequency than the Nordic/Scandinavian countries. They just haven't had as much contact if any. No! Germans do not display more Asiatic features than Swedes! Are you kidding? If I tested every German for those genes and every Swede for those genes, the Swedes would overwhelmingly beat the Germans in terms of having the genes.

It's not hard. Just look at the history, the contact certain populations have had. Germans simply have not had this contact. Swedes have through the Finns and Baltic peoples.

Emily:

"No VC, it is not " a load of shit". I love it when envious and ignorant non-whites from the USA sit there and write lies, pretending to know something about my people when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. You reveal your ignorance to every Scandinavian."

First off, I'm white. I've stated this clearly several times before. You might have picked up on it if you wern't insane.

It is flat out wishful thinking on your part to say that this is relegated to a few people in the north or whatever. This is what genetic testing consistently finds over and over again on swedes. It is admittedly very low, less than 5% on average, and probably occured so far back that whatever typical asian traits that would bestow would be largely eroded, but it is still there. Virtually every swede would have this ancestry, no matter how small, due to their small population numbers and close relations.

You'll have to prove all of these genetic studies are just on people in the north or on finns or whatever. This kind of intermixing certainly does NOT require invasion or occupation to come about.

Even if it, by some fluke, isn't asian admixture, (to be clear, it comes from central asians) then it would be undoubtedly from finns or baltics or whatever. That is where these genetic profiles are highest among europeans. Sweden, despite it's remote location, (albeit norway is even more remote) is remarkably close to the baltic nations and finland. It's basically right next to them. Unless there's no evidence of intermixing between any of the groups until recently?

Plus, even if this wasn't evidence of asian admixture and was purely indigenous, this would show that the more asian features of finns and baltics is an indigenous european adapation, and not some evolutionary degeneration or whatever sick-ass little nazi-esque theories you've posited on the development of the features of asians.

I'm also not anti-white. If you have the most meager amount of intellectual honesty, you'd see that clearly. But you don't. This is because you are genuinely sick in the head. I can't repeat enough as well on how hilarious it is for you to cry about supposed anti-white bias when you're basically anti-anything non-nordic.

I also do wonder how this ancestry would be more apparent in germans, or be more apparent in the rest of europe, when there's been no asiatic invasions or migrations in the past couple of millenia (IE the mongols, the huns) that have left even a remotely meager genetic imprint on europe's ancestry. That's because this ancestry is on the order of several thousand years old. You have no evidence for that notion. None.

I also really wonder how the mongoloid mixture would be more apparent in the rest of europe considering sweden's direct proximity to finland. Unless swedes haven't mixed with finns at all in history until recently, again.

Hey Emily, do you think finns and baltics and the like look the way they do due to asian ancestry? Or is it an indigenous adaption? You haven't trashed on them at all in your ramblings, please share.

I also think the people who say swedes typically have an "asiatic appearance" are idiotic, but I wouldn't trust, or believe you any more on the idea of asian traits being virtually non-existant among swedes any more than I trust, or believe you on the idea of swedes being the most beautiful people on earth, to the point of them typically looking like gods and goddesses straight out of the most fetishistic, idealized renderings of norse mythology.

You're such a sick human being.

If that is how Swedish people look, I can't help it but point their Asiatic appearance out. I'm sure that there are more people in other parts of Europe who share the same Asiatic traits, but at the same time they are obsessed with the idea of racial purity and white superiority?! LOL

Those swedish girls don't look asiatic in the least. They're just unattractive.

I agree. Those two girls do not have ANY Asiatic features. In fact they have very typical Nordic features. Quite the opposite.

I wouldn't say they are unattractive. I think they look OK. The photo is just being taken when they aren't quite prepared.

If you don't let yourselves get carried away by the hair and the skin depigmentation, you will see that they do look like the type of Asians who have big heads, fleshy faces, fleshy noses and protruded teeth. Some people find it unattractive, but some people don't even notice it. Personally, I think it is insane to blame people for the way they look. Also, I would like to clarify that not all Asians look the same, and perhabs there are some attractive Swedes as well. The world is full of variety.

Visitor,

"The girl on this photo has huge head,protruded forehead (a birth disorder characterized mainly by brain abnormalities- large head and facial anomalies?),wide jaw, fleshy face, and a bulbous nose! If she faces the camera, her epicanthic folds will show off too.

Her features are far from fine and feninine."

I actually like her and the pose....I think its sweet :)
I was impressed enough to pose in a similar manner but didn't do a good job i think!
I thought large heads were attractive no?

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"I thought large heads were attractive no?"

Some people like big heads, other people don't and, luckily so. If we were all to like the same thing it would be a chaos, righ!

By the way, you have very beautiful eyebrows!

Hey Visitor,
Thanks! People actually notice eyebrows? :D
Are you Godis by any chance?

So would you say that my forehead is small then? or normal?

Also i must say i have to disagree with you saying that Swedish people have Asiatic ancestry/mixing at large. I mean we are all humans so there is overlap in features. For example i am Indian (pure lol) but some of my features are more European which doesn't mean i have had any European mixing. See for yourself.

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No, I am not "Godis", but some people who have seen me call me Goddess. LOL

Your facial features look nice and proportionate. I like your profile too, especially your nose.

The Swedish people might have got their Asiatic look via the Finns and the Baltics. In North India many people do have European features, most probaly via the Greeks. There is a history that suggest that too.

Cecilia and callmewhatyouwant,
VC is now resorting to insulting the intelligence of those whom English isn't their first language though gods know what that has to do with anything...And of course, Cecilia, this is typical of godis to think that anyone who agrees with Emily MUST BE EMILY, since she's resorted to inventing alter egos (due to a malfunction in her distorted perceptions) so therefore, everyone else does as well...

Godis,
Hmmm....can't understand how or why Emily shows pics of Romanian women because she doesn't like you personally, do you really think the sun shines out of your ass, or what? It's all about you..I'd almost forgot. You, ALWAYS being the (cough cough) better person have never made fun of Scandinavians because YOU don't like her personally. When I read that, I laughed and laughed, thank you for continuing to supply my "joke of the day", you can never have too many.

So, guess some things never change, anyone who appreciated Nordic beauty is a Nordic fetishist, real cool argument, and so smart. It makes me a think that maybe everyone else here has no more valid points to make. Guess "Nordic Fetishist!" is the best anyone can do. Sad.

This thread is about the beauty of the VERY sought after Nordic nose and yet you all post pics and make absurd arguments against this theory though none of you have yet to prove it to be false.

Emily continues to show how this is true, and sorry but it is, to a lot of people.

Oh no!! I'm defending her again, such a terrible person I am, it's a good thing I could care less what you all think.

Congratulations on your great figure godis, and excuse my spelling...I'm sure not such an idiot that you think I use "Barberella" on a regular basis! Fool, still....how sad, no progress, I'd be more worried about THAT than how I spell shit on here, asshole.

VC called the lot of them morons because they have brought no factual arguments to the debate. They just spew nationalist bile. Bring some data to the table if you want to prove a point. All the numbers I have seen show most people who have plastic surgery are in fact White. The United States is the world-wide leader in cosmetic surgery with about 12 million surgeries performed in 2007 alone. The U.S. is a White majority country. We can probably safely assume most of those getting these procedures are white. More minorities are getting work done but by and large minorities in this country tend to not be in the economic position to do so. Europe (land of the perfect white woman lol) comes in second with about 2.2 billion in sales annually. Quite a bit lower than the U.S. Iran isn't even in the top ten. I don't think most Iranian women are running out to get their nose fixed.

http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/04/11/tim-wise-on-the-invention-of-the-white-race/

some of you would do well to watch this. It's a white man, maybe you won't feel so threatened.

Interesting what caucasians have researched about black people in regards to Melanin.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUVDtdDaAE&feature=related

This video is a little bit out there, however the doctor speaking gets her information from a series of studies done by scientists. You might benefit from watching from the beginning.

By the way, I am caucasian, not anti-white, I am not anti any race actually.

Visitor:

"VC is now resorting to insulting the intelligence of those whom English isn't their first language though gods know what that has to do with anything...And of course, Cecilia, this is typical of godis to think that anyone who agrees with Emily MUST BE EMILY, since she's resorted to inventing alter egos (due to a malfunction in her distorted perceptions) so therefore, everyone else does as well..."

I might have been a tad off crude at times with regards to the callmewhateveryouwant's english, but his reasoning skills seem to go beyond simple language barriers. He's the only one with poor english here. The only person I've insulted outright other than Emily lately is Cecilia, because she genuinely acts outright stupid.

"Godis,
Hmmm....can't understand how or why Emily shows pics of Romanian women because she doesn't like you personally, do you really think the sun shines out of your ass, or what? It's all about you..I'd almost forgot. You, ALWAYS being the (cough cough) better person have never made fun of Scandinavians because YOU don't like her personally. When I read that, I laughed and laughed, thank you for continuing to supply my "joke of the day", you can never have too many."

Godis has made some sadly off-color and rude remarks about scandinavians, but some of it's understandable due to how extreme Emily has been. In Godis' case, well, she's said she's half romanian. I haven't followed the discussions so extensively, but from what I've seen, Emily has only really attacked romanians when Godis' background has been brought to light. She never lets up on them. It's creepy.

"So, guess some things never change, anyone who appreciated Nordic beauty is a Nordic fetishist, real cool argument, and so smart. It makes me a think that maybe everyone else here has no more valid points to make. Guess "Nordic Fetishist!" is the best anyone can do. Sad.

This thread is about the beauty of the VERY sought after Nordic nose and yet you all post pics and make absurd arguments against this theory though none of you have yet to prove it to be false."

At this point, I guess I've grown rather desensitized to people who make such retarded generalizations of the discourses here wherein I'm actually addressing this comment.

This goes beyond an appreciation of nordic beauty to the point of reviling anything that falls even minutely outside of it, and forcing this ideal down everyone's throats as an intrinsic ideal of human beauty with barely any evidence to back it up, with a healthy dose of nationalist politics injected. "Nordic fetishist" is merely a label to describe people who believe this. I, and many others, have made many, many valid points here in regards to this. It's just evidence of your profound lack of reading comprehension and willingness to listen for you to label all of this as "absurd".

"Emily continues to show how this is true, and sorry but it is, to a lot of people."

No, she doesn't. She does nothing but spam the same pictures, moronic, inane arguments over and over and over and over again, and will periodically have meltdowns where she'll attack virtually anything non-nordic. She spams pictures from google image searches and uses this to generalize massive countries and ethnic groups. She'll wave around the same tired pictures of nordics as shining ideals of human beauty, based on her OWN preferences of this. I could go on and on. She does all of this because she's genuinely sick in the head.

"Oh no!! I'm defending her again, such a terrible person I am,"

You're not a "terrible person", but I genuinely have to question your outlook on humanity when you defend someone like this, on such a shaky basis.

"it's a good thing I could care less what you all think."

Ok. Have fun defending a deranged nordicist like her and not caring what people think of that.

Rawr: Yes, that is pretty much why I attack these people. But your arguments about plastic surgery are pretty poor- did it ever occur to you that so many whites get these plastic surgeries on comparisons to minority groups and poor non-white nations because of more disposable income?

Interesting:

Melanin theory is a hardcore fringe science that has virtually no basis in actual science, outside of the ramblings of depraved black supremacists. That shit is more disgusting than some of the stuff I've seen parroted by many white supremacists. That garbage would entail people with the darkest skin on earth (like sudanese and senegambian blacks) are superior to everyone else. Blacks vary greatly in skin color. Your outlook would entail a ridiculous hierarchy with the inky black ones on top and the tan ones on the bottom.

"Rawr: Yes, that is pretty much why I attack these people. But your arguments about plastic surgery are pretty poor- did it ever occur to you that so many whites get these plastic surgeries on comparisons to minority groups and poor non-white nations because of more disposable income?"

I did bring that up. Notice i said "More minorities are getting work done but by and large minorities in this country tend to not be in the economic position to do so."

Calm down.

"That shit is more disgusting than some of the stuff I've seen parroted by many white supremacists. "

How is it somehow more disgusting? It's the same argument White Supremacists make except we are just reversing roles.

"I did bring that up. Notice i said "More minorities are getting work done but by and large minorities in this country tend to not be in the economic position to do so."

Calm down."

Sorry I overlooked that. But I don't see how I was acting over-emotional.

"How is it somehow more disgusting? It's the same argument White Supremacists make except we are just reversing roles."

White supremacists very rarely make arguments of racial superiority on domains of behavior and intelligence in relation to skin color. I've pretty much only seen that back in the time of slavery.

"White supremacists very rarely make arguments of racial superiority on domains of behavior and intelligence in relation to skin color. I've pretty much only seen that back in the time of slavery."

You don't have a lot of experience with White Supremacists I take it? Those arguments "of racial superiority on domains of behavior and intelligence in relation to skin color" are still used in many white power circles. I've visited the more ignorant of their kind in prisons. They are the face of modern white supremacy, in truth it's not a good representation. Most high level KKK groups (I.E. The Knights of Malta) are not populated by low-level hillbillies. There are many who hold PhD's in that group. (Although from my research most modern militia/white power groups are thoroughly infiltrated and run by the FED. One good example is the Viper group of Michigan, proven by and large to be run by the FBI. Strange stuff when you get into it deeply. Puppet masters pulling the strings.)

I've seen quite a few dissertations on how White skin makes one more intelligent. Granted you have to be quite foolish and uneducated to believe it but that's what many of the authors of these papers are counting on. Most people are quite ignorant.

"I've seen quite a few dissertations on how White skin makes one more intelligent"

I disagree. I think today they focus on other factors such as skull structure, bone structure, physical features, etc. that relate to behavior and intelligence.

They claim the "bone structure" shows how some races are less evolved or more primitive, not skin color.
It's what Emily does all the time. She claims certain races have less evolved bone structure and are therefore less evolved in general. That is why I posted photos of Bill Gates, Pythagoreas, etc. to prove to her that what she considers more "primitive" bone structure, (which is basically any type of bone structure that falls outside the Nordic bone structure), is the same bone structure held by many of the geniuses that have lived and contributed greatly on this Earth.

Even Darwin, the father of evolution, has "primitive" bone structure and features according to Emily and many other white supremacy groups. However, that doesn't stop them from using Darwin's theories on evolution to support their bullshit.

"I've seen quite a few dissertations on how White skin makes one more intelligent"

I disagree. I think today they focus on other factors such as skull structure, bone structure, physical features, etc. that relate to behavior and intelligence.

They claim the "bone structure" shows how some races are less evolved or more primitive, not skin color.
It's what Emily does all the time. She claims certain races have less evolved bone structure and are therefore less evolved in general. That is why I posted photos of Bill Gates, Pythagoreas, etc. to prove to her that what she considers more "primitive" bone structure, (which is basically any type of bone structure that falls outside the Nordic bone structure), is the same bone structure held by many of the geniuses that have lived and contributed greatly on this Earth.

Even Darwin, the father of evolution, has "primitive" bone structure and features according to Emily and many other white supremacy groups. However, that doesn't stop them from using Darwin's theories on evolution to support their bullshit.

I don't know about the FBI being involved with white supremacy groups? That is creepy, but I am very skeptical. I don't want to go there. However, I do believe there is a lot of corruption in the government but in regards to white supremacy. I don't know.

"I don't know about the FBI being involved with white supremacy groups? That is creepy, but I am very skeptical. I don't want to go there. However, I do believe there is a lot of corruption in the government but in regards to white supremacy. I don't know."

It's not about what you want to believe. Life doesn't work that way.

'I disagree. I think today they focus on other factors such as skull structure, bone structure, physical features, etc. that relate to behavior and intelligence.'

Have you been to Klan meetings? Have you gone to prisons and spoken with Aryan Nation members? Have you sought out college professors with ties to The Knights of Malta? Really, unless you have been there, done the research I have done and read what I have read, you don't know. I wasn't daydreaming when I did what I did. Thank goodness I never found myself in harm's way. I know what I've seen and I know what I've read. I don't give a shit what Emily does. She is not the sole representative of white power on the internet.

Rawr, I genuinely almost never see white supremacists using skin color as an indicator of mental traits. They focus on it almost purely on an aestethic basis nowadays. (IE slurs like "shitskin", "muds" etc.) Or Emily's obsession with it.

And Godis, the variance in ancestral physical traits among humans certainly has no causational factor on mental traits in the least. Technically being muscular is more convergent upon ancestral forms, considering how much more powerfully built they are compared to us.

White supremacists or racialists or whatever will drum up traits like the greather prognathism of blacks, but usually being wholly unaware of how traits like large jaws or cheekbones are technically just as ancestral- and are virtually unaware of how whites typically have much more prominent brows than blacks. It just so happens that prognathous jaws are the most visibly ancestral trait on humans. (and I sincerely doubt nasal structure can be ranked on such a scale)

You're also quite right about those scientists, especially in regards to Darwin- in old age, he had a very prominent browridge, even for an old man.

And I can't forget how Emily thinks asians are evolutionarily undeveloped and that there's something wrong with them. Begs asking why all of their countries, with the sole exceptions of north korea and China, are first world, among alot of other things.

And at the end of the day, it does seem true that much of the phenotypical variance we see among humans is due to variations related to a more primitive, ancestral form. However, we can see that some of them are related to masculine beauty- IE, browridge prominence and ruggedness- while some aren't, like jaw and cheekbone size.

It doesn't make anybody less human than anyone else, and has absolutely no causational effect upon mental traits. It's very well known in physical anthropology, in fact. Look up the definition of an anatomically modern human, for example.

It's really not a big deal at the end of the day, but it's not the most flattering way to describe phyiscal variation among humans.

"Rawr, I genuinely almost never see white supremacists using skin color as an indicator of mental traits. They focus on it almost purely on an aestethic basis nowadays. (IE slurs like "shitskin", "muds" etc.) Or Emily's obsession with it."

Because you have not done deep research on White Supremacy. Simply because you have not seen it does not mean it does not exist.

Honestly VC you need to check your emotions. Your statement on it's face was just stupid. Somehow that man's black nationalist stance is worse than white racist arguments? I'd call you a racist if you really believe that.

"Honestly VC you need to check your emotions. Your statement on it's face was just stupid. Somehow that man's black nationalist stance is worse than white racist arguments? I'd call you a racist if you really believe that."

First off, you should provide some examples of white supremacists using melanin levels as a causational factor in intellect and behavior. If you've seen them, then go ahead and provide examples, but I find it highly unlikely they're as common as the lines of thought black nationalists and supremacists tout.

I reacted rather forcefully because I feel as though this type of racial supremacy is vastly more overlooked compared to typical white supremacist thought, and from my experience, I haven seen unbelievably few white supremacists who talk about melanin levels in this manner. Black nationalists/supremacists are treating such a freakishly trivial biochemical trait as so important, basically. In such a regard, yes, I genuinely think drumming up skin color differences is worse.

"First off, you should provide some examples of white supremacists using melanin levels as a causational factor in intellect and behavior. If you've seen them, then go ahead and provide examples, but I find it highly unlikely they're as common as the lines of thought black nationalists and supremacists tout."

If you spent more than 10 minutes pursuing Stormfront you'd find your theories shot down. As I had done deep research on this subject I know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me what I have and have not seem.

"Black nationalists/supremacists are treating such a freakishly trivial biochemical trait as so important, basically. In such a regard, yes, I genuinely think drumming up skin color differences is worse."

And I genuinely think you are racist now.

Well Rawr, would I be racist in this regard if I saw white supremacists espousing the same line of reasoning? Because I think the idea of melanin levels determining such traits is worse than other aspects- it doesn't matter who's espousing it. I just happen to see black supremacists and the like do it far more often.

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