Joe: Sonia Blake is an example of above average femininity, not extreme femininity. Her face isn’t impressive, but I don’t find it ugly. Since there are numerous correlates of beauty, more feminine women can be less attractive than less feminine women sometimes, but the reverse will be true in the majority of comparisons. Greater femininity does not necessarily equate to greater attractiveness since beyond some level of feminization, attractiveness diminishes.
Sunil: Your comment about white men does not make any sense. Femininity and beauty are not independent, and this is why your question cannot be answered, though it is certainly possible for a less feminine woman to be more beautiful than a more feminine woman because there are numerous correlates of beauty apart from the extent of femininity.
I have never heard about Persian women being regarded as the most beautiful in the world. In my opinion more attractive Persian women are closer to European norms than their less attractive relatives, i.e., there does not appear to be anything special about the Persian look.
7up: I am sorry to hear about your sister. Please make her read this about eating disorders. Also make her go through correlates of beauty based on the preferences of most people, which are at odds with the thinness and masculinization of fashion models. A BMI of 20 is about optimal from a beauty perspective in women in Western societies.
8D: My reply to Twisty does not suggest that I expect “super genetic perfection” in women.
Jim: Danni Minogue appears to be normal with respect to masculinity-femininity. Esther Canadas is not feminine. Yes, larger breasts do not by themselves make a woman more feminine.
Tom: Charlotte Church appears to be normal with respect to masculinity-femininity and seems to be prone to obesity.
8D: This site is not about women in general and hence your first comment is not applicable. The question you should be asking is why are the homosexuals enforcing their standards on others, not why I am addressing the homosexuals’ choices. I have addressed numerous lingerie models and beauty pageant contestants to illustrate how the homosexual designers' choices have created an aesthetics disaster for heterosexual men. If the preferences of the homosexual designers were limited to high-fashion models alone, they could have their masculinized women and there would be no need for this site, though a site attempting to do something about fashion models’ typical thinness would still be needed.
How can porn stars be prompting anorexia in women? Most women do not watch porn and porn models don’t tend to be as thin as high-fashion models. Porn models also tend to be masculinized, there are few attractive women among them, and their choice of profession is not exactly impressing women in general. So how can they have a significant impact on women?
The woman featured by you under “so manly, eh?” doesn’t have a feminine face. The rest of her doesn’t look masculine, but one normally swings the shoulders while walking, and depending on the moment a snapshot is taken, the shoulders may appear narrower than they are. In other words, one would need to look at additional pictures of her before addressing how feminine her physique is. Her waist-hip proportions look feminine in front view. Previously you had posted a picture of a masculine woman, Adina Fohlin, with feminine-looking waist-hip proportions, and before you post more such examples, it is time for you to understand something that you seem to have overlooked, namely the importance of overall looks and evidence of stronger sexual selection among Northern Europeans, which means that it will be less unusual in Northern European women with below average femininity to observe some features one would expect to result from above average feminization. Look at the fine nose of Iekeliene Stange (Dutch), and Adina Fohlin is Swedish. There are numerous Northern European fashion models (another example) with fine facial features or other features such as a tiny waist/wide hips that may appear to be more feminine than they are to the uninitiated. Just remember to consider overall appearance, especially if the women are Northern European.
Danielle: Haute couture is French for high fashion. What cannot be haute couture cannot be high fashion either. Agreed that what is seen most often on the runway is ready-to-wear clothing, which is fashion not high-fashion. Fashion or high-fashion wear refer to clothes that are suitable for general social gatherings. Obviously, what Daria is wearing does not qualify as appropriate clothing for general social gatherings. Fashion shows often feature bizarre dresses and examples as in the Daria clip, but these oddities do not qualify as fashion/high-fashion.
Whereas you may find Daria too thin in the video, if you haven’t understood that this is what the homosexual designers prefer, then you haven’t learned much from this site. She does look better in the video than in the screen captures of the video because the movement in the video makes it more difficult to judge body proportions.
Tom: In pictures where the cheekbones of Iekeliene Stange are not emphasized, she looks decent to me (example), but not otherwise (example). There is a masculine element to her face (example) but this not obvious in some of her pictures because of her fine nose and large eyes, which render a feminine element. She doesn’t have a feminine physique.
Mary: Ethnic diversity and nationality are not being addressed here, let alone critiqued. There is nothing unusual about my perception; all people familiar with feminine vs. masculine variation will observe above average masculinization in the women shown.
Many people are born with an interest in feminine beauty, myself included, and do not need to explain why they have this interest. Concern with how beauty pageants are being run comes naturally to those interested in feminine beauty.
There is no reason for me to be posting my pictures. I have made no claims about being attractive that you need to verify.
I think I know that girl, Lena. She might have served me at the Wendy's drive-thru. She might have been the girl I saw at Baskin Robins. Maybe she has clones all over the place because I know I have seen this girl many times before. She isn't a very unique specimen. She might be to you Eric. You may think that she is worthy of being a model because you live in fugsville. Any plainfaced white woman with a small waist is worthy of adoration in your eyes. She won't become a model because 50% of teenage suburban white girls could be her twin. No one emulates or adores mediocrity. She couldn't be a model and judging by that video she would make a shitty actress. Someone who apparantly studies every feature of these high fashion models like you do should know that Lena is way to fat to be a model.
The models are at a big disadvantage because they're wearing such bizarre clothes, and having your hair tied under your chin like you've got the mumps isn't attractive. Wearing flat makeup and not being able to smile can't help either.
I agree that Lena has a lot more girl-next-door attractiveness, but I'm not sure if that's because of her face & body or just her clothing, makeup, and facial expressions.
Why not take a poll? See what Hetero men, Homosexual Men, Straight Women find attractive for lingerie modeling... and see what happens...it may be surprising...
As an artist, I love all sorts of shapes of men and women.
In drawing, I see all shapes of women especially because the female body is great practice.
Marketa looks very child-like. I looked like that when I was 12.
(I'm just saying)
Maybe get a "high-fashion model" next to a "nude" model in person...
There are "pretty" boys, who many girls find attractive and then there are "rugged" men. Just as there are "boyish" girls who many men love and there are those full-figured women too.
There are many "porno" or "shirtless" models who are masculine. And there are many vs models who are not extremely well known that are feminine.
Also, I think it would be more apparent for people to see masculinity in a woman if she were compared to a man just like the diagrams showed.
Girls who are pear shaped are always going to look feminine, even without large breasts. (something just doesn't look right)
Girls who don't have large bottoms, are still "feminine" compared to an actual man. (especially if they have natural large breasts)
There are even tall girls who are full-figured.
And all the "goo goo" eyes from men that all these high fashion models get (Heidi..two kids and happily married? Giselle dates great men...)..I guess scientifically speaking, male traits are obviously sexy.
Besides, being attracted to someone for their inner beauty is key. Everyone gets old and wrinkly.
i agree with margaux abby and maddy...i think abbie is pretty and i think that she is good at what shes doing. of course shes good at it because she wouldnt be doing it otherwise. she deserves respect from all of you so dont post things saying she isnt that pretty. its not fair to her. you try doing it
statistics, polls, bah humbug, sit down a group of men in a bar, a church, an office, talk to them. These woman hating designers will be all for muslim's female genital mutilation. They alaready have women wearing short hair, ask any man, we hate short hair on a woman, guys have short hair, women's have longer, duh. At least covering their ears. In any other field, women would be screaming that men don't understand women, we need women clothes designers. Not freak cross-dressers. DEMAND WOMEN CLOTHES DESIGNERS. Boycott "gay" ones, what do they know about women? and Women designers should have REAL MEN around to approve. That's why REAL WOMEN buy clothes, to get the guy, duh. God, we americans have gotten so naive and stupid. BACK TO BASICS, END THE FREAK SHOW. Make clothes to last.
WTF?!?!?! You have some real weirdos on your site Eric. The poster above thinks models are hermaphrodites? Wow! It isn't even possible for mammals to be true hermaphrodites. Next thing you know sionnach will be compring them to Gila monsters.
I have heard that in the high fashion industry, many masculinzed 'women' are actually femininzed hermaphrodites. This supposition prompted my observation about the continuum. It would certainly make sense to me that there are some feminized hermaphrodites in the business given a) the masculinized appearance of many models and b) the heavy influence of gay males in the fashion industry. I'd like to know what your thoughts may be about this.
The notion of a bipolar schema for various gender-related characteristics is interesting. Could you share an example or two for those of us who don't have time to read the studies?
And, would you speculate on whether any of the high fashion models (Kurkova, Bundchen, Klum, etc.) here on your website may actually be hermaphrodites?
hi what do u think of eva longoria? her body is certainly tubular, but her face seems pretty feminine? since sex hormones have a global effect, why the patent contrast between her face and body? thx eric
I have heard that in the high fashion industry, many masculinzed 'women' are actually femininzed hermaphrodites. This supposition prompted my observation about the continuum. It would certainly make sense to me that there are some feminized hermaphrodites in the business given a) the masculinized appearance of many models and b) the heavy influence of gay males in the fashion industry. I'd like like to know what your thoughts may be about this.
The notion of a bipolar schema for various gender-related characteristics is interesting. Could you share an example or two for those of us who don't have time to read the studies?
And, would you speculate on whether any of the high fashion models (Kurkova, Bundchen, Klum, etc.) here on your website may actually be hermaphrodites?
Joe: Sonia Blake is an example of above average femininity, not extreme femininity. Her face isn’t impressive, but I don’t find it ugly. Since there are numerous correlates of beauty, more feminine women can be less attractive than less feminine women sometimes, but the reverse will be true in the majority of comparisons. Greater femininity does not necessarily equate to greater attractiveness since beyond some level of feminization, attractiveness diminishes.
Sunil: Your comment about white men does not make any sense. Femininity and beauty are not independent, and this is why your question cannot be answered, though it is certainly possible for a less feminine woman to be more beautiful than a more feminine woman because there are numerous correlates of beauty apart from the extent of femininity.
I have never heard about Persian women being regarded as the most beautiful in the world. In my opinion more attractive Persian women are closer to European norms than their less attractive relatives, i.e., there does not appear to be anything special about the Persian look.
7up: I am sorry to hear about your sister. Please make her read this about eating disorders. Also make her go through correlates of beauty based on the preferences of most people, which are at odds with the thinness and masculinization of fashion models. A BMI of 20 is about optimal from a beauty perspective in women in Western societies.
8D: My reply to Twisty does not suggest that I expect “super genetic perfection” in women.
Jim: Danni Minogue appears to be normal with respect to masculinity-femininity. Esther Canadas is not feminine. Yes, larger breasts do not by themselves make a woman more feminine.
Tom: Charlotte Church appears to be normal with respect to masculinity-femininity and seems to be prone to obesity.
8D: This site is not about women in general and hence your first comment is not applicable. The question you should be asking is why are the homosexuals enforcing their standards on others, not why I am addressing the homosexuals’ choices. I have addressed numerous lingerie models and beauty pageant contestants to illustrate how the homosexual designers' choices have created an aesthetics disaster for heterosexual men. If the preferences of the homosexual designers were limited to high-fashion models alone, they could have their masculinized women and there would be no need for this site, though a site attempting to do something about fashion models’ typical thinness would still be needed.
How can porn stars be prompting anorexia in women? Most women do not watch porn and porn models don’t tend to be as thin as high-fashion models. Porn models also tend to be masculinized, there are few attractive women among them, and their choice of profession is not exactly impressing women in general. So how can they have a significant impact on women?
The woman featured by you under “so manly, eh?” doesn’t have a feminine face. The rest of her doesn’t look masculine, but one normally swings the shoulders while walking, and depending on the moment a snapshot is taken, the shoulders may appear narrower than they are. In other words, one would need to look at additional pictures of her before addressing how feminine her physique is. Her waist-hip proportions look feminine in front view. Previously you had posted a picture of a masculine woman, Adina Fohlin, with feminine-looking waist-hip proportions, and before you post more such examples, it is time for you to understand something that you seem to have overlooked, namely the importance of overall looks and evidence of stronger sexual selection among Northern Europeans, which means that it will be less unusual in Northern European women with below average femininity to observe some features one would expect to result from above average feminization. Look at the fine nose of Iekeliene Stange (Dutch), and Adina Fohlin is Swedish. There are numerous Northern European fashion models (another example) with fine facial features or other features such as a tiny waist/wide hips that may appear to be more feminine than they are to the uninitiated. Just remember to consider overall appearance, especially if the women are Northern European.
Danielle: Haute couture is French for high fashion. What cannot be haute couture cannot be high fashion either. Agreed that what is seen most often on the runway is ready-to-wear clothing, which is fashion not high-fashion. Fashion or high-fashion wear refer to clothes that are suitable for general social gatherings. Obviously, what Daria is wearing does not qualify as appropriate clothing for general social gatherings. Fashion shows often feature bizarre dresses and examples as in the Daria clip, but these oddities do not qualify as fashion/high-fashion.
Whereas you may find Daria too thin in the video, if you haven’t understood that this is what the homosexual designers prefer, then you haven’t learned much from this site. She does look better in the video than in the screen captures of the video because the movement in the video makes it more difficult to judge body proportions.
Tom: In pictures where the cheekbones of Iekeliene Stange are not emphasized, she looks decent to me (example), but not otherwise (example). There is a masculine element to her face (example) but this not obvious in some of her pictures because of her fine nose and large eyes, which render a feminine element. She doesn’t have a feminine physique.
John: I have addressed Eva Herzigova previously.
Mary: Ethnic diversity and nationality are not being addressed here, let alone critiqued. There is nothing unusual about my perception; all people familiar with feminine vs. masculine variation will observe above average masculinization in the women shown.
Many people are born with an interest in feminine beauty, myself included, and do not need to explain why they have this interest. Concern with how beauty pageants are being run comes naturally to those interested in feminine beauty.
There is no reason for me to be posting my pictures. I have made no claims about being attractive that you need to verify.
I think I know that girl, Lena. She might have served me at the Wendy's drive-thru. She might have been the girl I saw at Baskin Robins. Maybe she has clones all over the place because I know I have seen this girl many times before. She isn't a very unique specimen. She might be to you Eric. You may think that she is worthy of being a model because you live in fugsville. Any plainfaced white woman with a small waist is worthy of adoration in your eyes. She won't become a model because 50% of teenage suburban white girls could be her twin. No one emulates or adores mediocrity. She couldn't be a model and judging by that video she would make a shitty actress. Someone who apparantly studies every feature of these high fashion models like you do should know that Lena is way to fat to be a model.
The models are at a big disadvantage because they're wearing such bizarre clothes, and having your hair tied under your chin like you've got the mumps isn't attractive. Wearing flat makeup and not being able to smile can't help either.
I agree that Lena has a lot more girl-next-door attractiveness, but I'm not sure if that's because of her face & body or just her clothing, makeup, and facial expressions.
Erik
what do you think of the masculinity/femininity of wonderbra model eva herzigova?
would you describe her as having a plump body/look? where on the masculinity/femininity scale would she be?
erik
What do you think of singer charlotte church is she feminine/masculine?
femininish*
her body "looks" femininieh in that pic, is this the case erik?
Why not take a poll? See what Hetero men, Homosexual Men, Straight Women find attractive for lingerie modeling... and see what happens...it may be surprising...
As an artist, I love all sorts of shapes of men and women.
In drawing, I see all shapes of women especially because the female body is great practice.
Marketa looks very child-like. I looked like that when I was 12.
(I'm just saying)
Maybe get a "high-fashion model" next to a "nude" model in person...
There are "pretty" boys, who many girls find attractive and then there are "rugged" men. Just as there are "boyish" girls who many men love and there are those full-figured women too.
There are many "porno" or "shirtless" models who are masculine. And there are many vs models who are not extremely well known that are feminine.
Also, I think it would be more apparent for people to see masculinity in a woman if she were compared to a man just like the diagrams showed.
Girls who are pear shaped are always going to look feminine, even without large breasts. (something just doesn't look right)
Girls who don't have large bottoms, are still "feminine" compared to an actual man. (especially if they have natural large breasts)
There are even tall girls who are full-figured.
And all the "goo goo" eyes from men that all these high fashion models get (Heidi..two kids and happily married? Giselle dates great men...)..I guess scientifically speaking, male traits are obviously sexy.
Besides, being attracted to someone for their inner beauty is key. Everyone gets old and wrinkly.
abbie i love you...your great and i hoope you go far!! much love<3
i agree with margaux abby and maddy...i think abbie is pretty and i think that she is good at what shes doing. of course shes good at it because she wouldnt be doing it otherwise. she deserves respect from all of you so dont post things saying she isnt that pretty. its not fair to her. you try doing it
statistics, polls, bah humbug, sit down a group of men in a bar, a church, an office, talk to them. These woman hating designers will be all for muslim's female genital mutilation. They alaready have women wearing short hair, ask any man, we hate short hair on a woman, guys have short hair, women's have longer, duh. At least covering their ears. In any other field, women would be screaming that men don't understand women, we need women clothes designers. Not freak cross-dressers. DEMAND WOMEN CLOTHES DESIGNERS. Boycott "gay" ones, what do they know about women? and Women designers should have REAL MEN around to approve. That's why REAL WOMEN buy clothes, to get the guy, duh. God, we americans have gotten so naive and stupid. BACK TO BASICS, END THE FREAK SHOW. Make clothes to last.
WTF?!?!?! You have some real weirdos on your site Eric. The poster above thinks models are hermaphrodites? Wow! It isn't even possible for mammals to be true hermaphrodites. Next thing you know sionnach will be compring them to Gila monsters.
so manly, eh?
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/F2007RTW/BMISCHKA/RUNWAY/00510m.jpg
I have heard that in the high fashion industry, many masculinzed 'women' are actually femininzed hermaphrodites. This supposition prompted my observation about the continuum. It would certainly make sense to me that there are some feminized hermaphrodites in the business given a) the masculinized appearance of many models and b) the heavy influence of gay males in the fashion industry. I'd like to know what your thoughts may be about this.
The notion of a bipolar schema for various gender-related characteristics is interesting. Could you share an example or two for those of us who don't have time to read the studies?
And, would you speculate on whether any of the high fashion models (Kurkova, Bundchen, Klum, etc.) here on your website may actually be hermaphrodites?
Erik
in what way is zuzana not at the extreme end of femininity?
hi what do u think of eva longoria? her body is certainly tubular, but her face seems pretty feminine? since sex hormones have a global effect, why the patent contrast between her face and body? thx eric
Erik what do you think of lekeliene stange? she has quiete an usual look, has she a masucline or feminine face overall and what about her body?
I have heard that in the high fashion industry, many masculinzed 'women' are actually femininzed hermaphrodites. This supposition prompted my observation about the continuum. It would certainly make sense to me that there are some feminized hermaphrodites in the business given a) the masculinized appearance of many models and b) the heavy influence of gay males in the fashion industry. I'd like like to know what your thoughts may be about this.
The notion of a bipolar schema for various gender-related characteristics is interesting. Could you share an example or two for those of us who don't have time to read the studies?
And, would you speculate on whether any of the high fashion models (Kurkova, Bundchen, Klum, etc.) here on your website may actually be hermaphrodites?
the industry is an abusive system its about abusing people its obvious to see
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