Aimee: The plastic surgery that Megan Fox has had is minor. She had a mild nose bump, which did not detract from her overall attractiveness, and she didn’t need to fix it.
I didn’t say it is unfortunate that she has small breasts. She looks good to me and I posted her pictures to show that there are slender women with small breasts who happen to be feminine and attractive. I did use the unfortunate word in a previous article but it referred to the two specific women shown there. Both looked older than Paris above and they weren’t as slender, especially one of them, and hence somewhat bigger breasts would have gone very well with their looks. Paris, on the other hand, has breasts that match the rest of her physique, and she looks good to me.
Roy: The Rohrmann et al. study on testosterone levels in a nationally representative sample of Americans reported values on a cross-sectional sample and Table 3, which reported the hormone levels by age, listed values that were adjusted for age, body fat levels and other factors such as smoking, physical activity, etc. If they had reported unadjusted values, you would have seen an age-related decline. The results were:
Child-like features in a womans face, voice, and skin inhibit aggression and induce provisioning behaviour.
The statement should read “Child-like features in a woman’s face and voice suggest reduced likelihood of aggression and increased provisioning behaviour.” The skin part is not necessary since skin closer to that of children would suggest youth/good health. In any case, pedomorphy is the wrong term for the referenced features because there should be normal safeguards against directing courtship toward sexually immature individuals. Features referred to as pedomorphic are either more feminine or more gracile. For instance, it is the greater femininity part that is associated with higher likelihood of maternal provisioning behavior and lesser likelihood to pick fights with strangers.
Child-like features in a womans face, voice, and skin inhibit aggression and induce provisioning behaviour. Thus pedamorphic morphology is retained in females for reasons other than sexual attraction. The characteristics which men have a prefference for which females developed fully by young adulthood are quite different from juvenile features though they may not supplant them.
A program about models, average age 15, in Milan (MacIntyre Investigates) revealed the "chaperones"(young men!)were suppying girls as young as 12 with drugs and using them for sex. They were the main atraction in clubs packed with businessmen old enough to be there grandfathers,they were being pimped basicaly. A follow up article about milan said that many of the less suitable models are there as "seed girls" to sleep with men in the industry.
Wrongdoing tends to be more banal than scenarios with large criminal organisations making threats, ingratiating by supplying drugs is a more common M.O. All too often the "mark " commits suicide, she is a victim of criminals but their methords are more subtle than the article suggests.
Evo and Proud:More on Rohrmann et al has taken this study apart.
The subject is central to Peter Frost's work and (as you say) peripheral to your superbly executed site, however I am a little surprised you did not notice some anomalies - testosterone increasing with age especialy - your too trusting.
I assume these are old photos. The high waisted jeans made me laugh and took me back to my childhood circa late 80's early nineties. No.1 looks a bit like a cross between Meryl Streep and Faye Dunaway. She's a bonny lassie probably a disgruntled dirvorcee in her 40's now. No.3 looks like Mariah Carey's sister(if she has one).
No.7 does look like a housewife (perhaps trying for a family) and actually looks better naked than she does clothed. No.12 has a nice 'rack' as does no.7. You would have to get them naked to assess their 'attractiveness' as I would have ducked no.7 on account of the appaulingly mumsy outfit she had on (can't get an idea of the goods love). No.4 looks like a cross between Alison Moyet and 80's Daryl Hall. No.11 looks very pissed off. Also white jeans, bumbags and basketball shoes with visable black socks..it was acceptable in the ei-ties..it was acceptable at the time (but why?)..
I think your comments about "There is massive evidence from history (most homosexuality in history has been in a pederastic context), child molesting priests..."etc., are way off base. Consider the fact that until recently, and even now only in developed parts of the Western World, are there limitations on the age of consent, etc. For THOUSANDS of years, it was very much accepted and even encouraged, and in some parts, many in fact, still is, for men to marry VERY young girls. Girls on the very cusp of pubescence. You say that percentage wise more homosexual men are attracted to boys. I think that probably, any statistics showing this reflect a growing CULTURAL trend in our society against pederasty which homosexuals haven't encountered as strongly yet because of a general prejudice against them. In fact, if you look at history, it is well documented that MEN in GENERAL like 'em young, and if you look in the parts of the world where men are still allowed to marry multiple 12-year old wives and enjoy doing so, I think you'll find you need to review your stats. I see where some of your arguments are coming from, but I think that making comments like this is dangerous and offensive.
i agree. in nyc, i regularly see/meet obscenely wealthy/old/ugly russian men with stunning. super thin companions.
also---this model does nto look like a high fashion girl. i don't see how she would get much work.
I think its totally wrong to say that this woman has "unfortunatelly" small breasts. This kind of judgement results in the development of stereotype thinking.
I also used to think that aishwarya rai, katrina keif, kareena kapoor would look masculine and bulky, as I've seen them got large shoulders on the tv. but I had seen them already a month ago in fifa party, in bkk. they are smaller than I did immegin. I guess the Indian producers would like them to look bigger than their reality, by photoshoping.
I say the true of what I've seen them. but aishwarya rai isn't look that great and sexy like on the flims and posters. indeed, she looks like ordinary Indian women, quite thin, small arms and legs but her shoulders, breasts and belly are quite fat like hispanic, her skin looks lighter than on the flim "the last legion", slightly pale like north east asian women, smooth and abit pink which I do not sure it was because she took a lot of skin whitenning, plus make-up. her eyes aren't blue gray like on the commercials. I just know it's the color contacts she always wearing. her real eyes'color is hazel like tyla bank. the overall she looks okay, calm beauty but not that delicately beautiful.
About Katrina Keif, she isn't that tall also, I guess she's tall around 170-175 cm, shorter than average caucasian fashion model. and kat also looks shorter than her real tallness cuz she got plumped body. and I think the reason aish and kate look larger on the flims, cuz they got bony facial's features and full shoulders and belly, but still they look okay.
Angelina is very feminine and also very beautiful, I think it is the dream of any man.
I believe that beauty is subjective and can not be measured with rules.
I'm the No 1 fan of Angelina and I think that is the most beautiful combination of a face angel and a beautiful body, is definitely feminine and natural.
I hope soon found long ago that I seek.
Greetings!
You say the Victoria Secret models look masculine, yet I see a lot more women with B cups than those huge double Ds every day. I also see naturally sized butts, very rarely do I see a huge butt unless its on someone who is obese with a large waist. You can't call something "masculine" if 99% of real women have it, which in this case would be a less than hour glass shape. A trait can only be called masculine if its reserved for men only, and maybe a small subset of women. Both body shapes are obviously feminine, because FEMALES HAVE THEM. I don't know why i'm even explaining this. You're delusional. This is what happens when people watch too much porn I guess.
I have a question... What are your thoughts or opinions on VS angel Miranda Kerr? I think she got a great body and one of the most feminine face out of all VS angels.
I think Gisele got the most stunning face. It’s hard for me to accept Grace... She is just unattractive to me.
I guess this comment is pretty late in the game, but, what the hey!
My preference is for the beauty that only a young girl from 11 to
14 has. As long as a girl has yet to realize her power to interest a man, she will exude a sensuality that is real. If only our laws reflected the realities of life and permitted us to pursue our sexual desires as the urge dictates.
Thanks for a thought provoking article. I always wondered why the women in SI’s swimsuit issues were so manly. Well, according to some of the comments here I now know it’s to make the average housewife who is supposedly flat chested and looks more like a man to want to aspire to become a supermodel. Yeah right! Z is trying to make a point with his/her example, but fails miserably. I would have been more inclined to agree with Z’s point of view if he/she did not purposely choose a woman with a humongous pair of breasts. It’s quite obvious the public would not accept this in mainstream magazines and having used this example shows the immaturity and lack of intelligence that Z has to try to get his/her point across. Besides, not only does that woman have breasts that are too big (at least they are real) she is so pale! Yikes!
LMAO....Talk about the Emperor’s new clothes!!! Get real!!! She looks like a 14 year old German boy with anorexia. Why don’t you people wake up and smell the roses!
ABBIE YOU ARE AWESOME DONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY WHO IS BEING STUPID. THEY ARE JUST JEALOUS. And what is up with this boyish look thing these weird people are talking about?? You don't look boyish AT ALL. AND FOR ALL YOU DUMB PEOPLE OUT THERE, ABBIE IS REALLY REALLY NICE AND YOU ARE LOSERS!!!!
Aimee: The plastic surgery that Megan Fox has had is minor. She had a mild nose bump, which did not detract from her overall attractiveness, and she didn’t need to fix it.
I didn’t say it is unfortunate that she has small breasts. She looks good to me and I posted her pictures to show that there are slender women with small breasts who happen to be feminine and attractive. I did use the unfortunate word in a previous article but it referred to the two specific women shown there. Both looked older than Paris above and they weren’t as slender, especially one of them, and hence somewhat bigger breasts would have gone very well with their looks. Paris, on the other hand, has breasts that match the rest of her physique, and she looks good to me.
Roy: The Rohrmann et al. study on testosterone levels in a nationally representative sample of Americans reported values on a cross-sectional sample and Table 3, which reported the hormone levels by age, listed values that were adjusted for age, body fat levels and other factors such as smoking, physical activity, etc. If they had reported unadjusted values, you would have seen an age-related decline. The results were:
Quote:
If they look odd, keep in mind that you are looking at a cross-sectional sample and values adjusted for body fat levels, age and other factors.
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The statement should read “Child-like features in a woman’s face and voice suggest reduced likelihood of aggression and increased provisioning behaviour.” The skin part is not necessary since skin closer to that of children would suggest youth/good health. In any case, pedomorphy is the wrong term for the referenced features because there should be normal safeguards against directing courtship toward sexually immature individuals. Features referred to as pedomorphic are either more feminine or more gracile. For instance, it is the greater femininity part that is associated with higher likelihood of maternal provisioning behavior and lesser likelihood to pick fights with strangers.
Child-like features in a womans face, voice, and skin inhibit aggression and induce provisioning behaviour. Thus pedamorphic morphology is retained in females for reasons other than sexual attraction. The characteristics which men have a prefference for which females developed fully by young adulthood are quite different from juvenile features though they may not supplant them.
A program about models, average age 15, in Milan (MacIntyre Investigates) revealed the "chaperones"(young men!)were suppying girls as young as 12 with drugs and using them for sex. They were the main atraction in clubs packed with businessmen old enough to be there grandfathers,they were being pimped basicaly. A follow up article about milan said that many of the less suitable models are there as "seed girls" to sleep with men in the industry.
Wrongdoing tends to be more banal than scenarios with large criminal organisations making threats, ingratiating by supplying drugs is a more common M.O. All too often the "mark " commits suicide, she is a victim of criminals but their methords are more subtle than the article suggests.
Evo and Proud:More on Rohrmann et al has taken this study apart.
The subject is central to Peter Frost's work and (as you say) peripheral to your superbly executed site, however I am a little surprised you did not notice some anomalies - testosterone increasing with age especialy - your too trusting.
I assume these are old photos. The high waisted jeans made me laugh and took me back to my childhood circa late 80's early nineties. No.1 looks a bit like a cross between Meryl Streep and Faye Dunaway. She's a bonny lassie probably a disgruntled dirvorcee in her 40's now. No.3 looks like Mariah Carey's sister(if she has one).
No.7 does look like a housewife (perhaps trying for a family) and actually looks better naked than she does clothed. No.12 has a nice 'rack' as does no.7. You would have to get them naked to assess their 'attractiveness' as I would have ducked no.7 on account of the appaulingly mumsy outfit she had on (can't get an idea of the goods love). No.4 looks like a cross between Alison Moyet and 80's Daryl Hall. No.11 looks very pissed off. Also white jeans, bumbags and basketball shoes with visable black socks..it was acceptable in the ei-ties..it was acceptable at the time (but why?)..
Its a sad thing that this young model was probably killed. She looks very pretty...kind of unusual for high-fashion models.
Has anyone seen this man - the music artist David Jordan? It looks as if he has an androgynous face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh3wSMM_nbE
I think your comments about "There is massive evidence from history (most homosexuality in history has been in a pederastic context), child molesting priests..."etc., are way off base. Consider the fact that until recently, and even now only in developed parts of the Western World, are there limitations on the age of consent, etc. For THOUSANDS of years, it was very much accepted and even encouraged, and in some parts, many in fact, still is, for men to marry VERY young girls. Girls on the very cusp of pubescence. You say that percentage wise more homosexual men are attracted to boys. I think that probably, any statistics showing this reflect a growing CULTURAL trend in our society against pederasty which homosexuals haven't encountered as strongly yet because of a general prejudice against them. In fact, if you look at history, it is well documented that MEN in GENERAL like 'em young, and if you look in the parts of the world where men are still allowed to marry multiple 12-year old wives and enjoy doing so, I think you'll find you need to review your stats. I see where some of your arguments are coming from, but I think that making comments like this is dangerous and offensive.
i agree. in nyc, i regularly see/meet obscenely wealthy/old/ugly russian men with stunning. super thin companions.
also---this model does nto look like a high fashion girl. i don't see how she would get much work.
I think its totally wrong to say that this woman has "unfortunatelly" small breasts. This kind of judgement results in the development of stereotype thinking.
I also used to think that aishwarya rai, katrina keif, kareena kapoor would look masculine and bulky, as I've seen them got large shoulders on the tv. but I had seen them already a month ago in fifa party, in bkk. they are smaller than I did immegin. I guess the Indian producers would like them to look bigger than their reality, by photoshoping.
I say the true of what I've seen them. but aishwarya rai isn't look that great and sexy like on the flims and posters. indeed, she looks like ordinary Indian women, quite thin, small arms and legs but her shoulders, breasts and belly are quite fat like hispanic, her skin looks lighter than on the flim "the last legion", slightly pale like north east asian women, smooth and abit pink which I do not sure it was because she took a lot of skin whitenning, plus make-up. her eyes aren't blue gray like on the commercials. I just know it's the color contacts she always wearing. her real eyes'color is hazel like tyla bank. the overall she looks okay, calm beauty but not that delicately beautiful.
About Katrina Keif, she isn't that tall also, I guess she's tall around 170-175 cm, shorter than average caucasian fashion model. and kat also looks shorter than her real tallness cuz she got plumped body. and I think the reason aish and kate look larger on the flims, cuz they got bony facial's features and full shoulders and belly, but still they look okay.
Megan fox=plastic surgery
http://www.stars-plastic-surgery.com/megan-fox-plastic-surgery.html
Angelina is very feminine and also very beautiful, I think it is the dream of any man.
I believe that beauty is subjective and can not be measured with rules.
I'm the No 1 fan of Angelina and I think that is the most beautiful combination of a face angel and a beautiful body, is definitely feminine and natural.
I hope soon found long ago that I seek.
Greetings!
FER
katrina kaif=masculine
You say the Victoria Secret models look masculine, yet I see a lot more women with B cups than those huge double Ds every day. I also see naturally sized butts, very rarely do I see a huge butt unless its on someone who is obese with a large waist. You can't call something "masculine" if 99% of real women have it, which in this case would be a less than hour glass shape. A trait can only be called masculine if its reserved for men only, and maybe a small subset of women. Both body shapes are obviously feminine, because FEMALES HAVE THEM. I don't know why i'm even explaining this. You're delusional. This is what happens when people watch too much porn I guess.
I have a question... What are your thoughts or opinions on VS angel Miranda Kerr? I think she got a great body and one of the most feminine face out of all VS angels.
I think Gisele got the most stunning face. It’s hard for me to accept Grace... She is just unattractive to me.
Is it Halloween already ?
I guess this comment is pretty late in the game, but, what the hey!
My preference is for the beauty that only a young girl from 11 to
14 has. As long as a girl has yet to realize her power to interest a man, she will exude a sensuality that is real. If only our laws reflected the realities of life and permitted us to pursue our sexual desires as the urge dictates.
Thanks for a thought provoking article. I always wondered why the women in SI’s swimsuit issues were so manly. Well, according to some of the comments here I now know it’s to make the average housewife who is supposedly flat chested and looks more like a man to want to aspire to become a supermodel. Yeah right! Z is trying to make a point with his/her example, but fails miserably. I would have been more inclined to agree with Z’s point of view if he/she did not purposely choose a woman with a humongous pair of breasts. It’s quite obvious the public would not accept this in mainstream magazines and having used this example shows the immaturity and lack of intelligence that Z has to try to get his/her point across. Besides, not only does that woman have breasts that are too big (at least they are real) she is so pale! Yikes!
LMAO....Talk about the Emperor’s new clothes!!! Get real!!! She looks like a 14 year old German boy with anorexia. Why don’t you people wake up and smell the roses!
ABBIE YOU ARE AWESOME DONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY WHO IS BEING STUPID. THEY ARE JUST JEALOUS. And what is up with this boyish look thing these weird people are talking about?? You don't look boyish AT ALL. AND FOR ALL YOU DUMB PEOPLE OUT THERE, ABBIE IS REALLY REALLY NICE AND YOU ARE LOSERS!!!!
Danielle, you are a deluded feminist cow. The world doesn't revolve around man-hating lesbians.
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