hi, i was doing a search, "gay designers; fear curvy women"
and it sent me here. FANTASTIC. ONLY GRIPE I HAVE IS NO WOMEN LIKE ON THAT SHOW "AGE OF LOVE", BEATIFUL 40S. I'M DIVORCED, 40S, LOOKING FOR A LADY, 35 TO 45, PROMISE THIS WON'T BE AN AD, LOL. YOU'VE GOT TO TALK TO WOMEN ABOUT THIS "RICH MAN COMPLEX", THE COUPLES I'VE SEEN, THE GUY CAN GET ANY WOMAN, AND DOES. INSTEAD OF GOING FOR A GUY TO LOVE, THEY LOVE A GUY WITH MONEY. ONE MORE GRIPE, SEEMS ATTRACTIVE WOMEN LIMITED TO 38DD or so, some guys like, well, you know. AND COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT DURING AND AFTER SEX, TEACH YOUR GUY TO LISTEN TO LIKES, DISLIKES, LISTEN TO HIM, BECOMES GREAT SEX. ALL I GUESS, KNOW ANY SINGLE GALS OVER 35, GIVE EM MY INFO, HOPEFULLY, THEY WON'T GO INTO BULK.
In general, i think that it all comes down to personal taste. Eric i agree with your point, you hit the nail on the head, but i think it's rude to imply that men who prefer more masculinized women may have a gay inclination, besides, women in general are a mixture of femeninity and masculinity, there is no one in this world that ranks perfect on femeninity or masculinity.
PS: I am interested to see your opinion in male attractiveness, I also think there is too much pressure on womens looks these days.
Erik, i like your site and your opinion does make a point.Why do you think that the fashion industry is so successful promoting these women as being beautiful and most of all, why in hell are they so popular among men, if according to science they are not what they would prefer and consider beautiful and sexually appealing. It is very contradictory that some models like Heidy Klum and Giselle are said to be beautiful and femenine when they really are not.
Just because the majority thinks something, doesn't mean they are automatically correct. It's commen sense.
As for Jennifer Aniston and Kelly Clarkson, that's my point! Jennifer Aniston is considered to be one of the most beautiful woman by many people. And Angelina Jolie, she has slightly masculine features, and there's no denying that she's considered one of the most attrative women.
Laura: Reduction of the abdominal/lower rib cage area by the use of corsets renders an abnormal look, not a natural look of a feminine woman. A similar statement applies to breast implants. It is not a question of not looking feminine enough, but, in a number of women as in numerous Victoria’s Secret models, of looking feminine at all regardless of breast implants. Please do not forget the expense of cosmetic surgeries. More complex surgical make-overs are beyond the financial reach of many women, and if multiple major surgical procedures are involved, then few women will be willing to deal with the pain and risks even if they could afford the surgeries.
I am promoting normal-weight women, not underweight women. The only women who would end up dieting after being inspired by these normal women are overweight/obese women. Losing excess body fat will be good for their health, and they will not be promoted to lose fat beyond the normal and healthy range. The fashion world prompts some normal-weight women to lose body fat, which harms their health. So who is worse?
Ugliness is not merely the absence of attractiveness/sex appeal but the presence of physical defects/abnormalities, which fashion models lack. Therefore, talking about “sexy” fashion models does not imply that they are ugly, and I am not being pedantic here.
I haven’t been promoting “extreme hourglasses” and hence shouldn’t have to explain why they are better for women’s self-esteem. I am promoting above average femininity to an extent that most people find appealing, which isn’t close to extreme femininity. Most women naturally assign higher attractiveness to women with above average femininity. Therefore, promoting feminine beauty is not at odds with the aesthetic preferences of most women. Which is worse, promoting difficult to achieve looks that are at odds with majority preferences or difficult to achieve looks that reflect majority preferences?
I have simply made the argument about homosexual fashion designers selecting models based on their preferences. I haven’t talked about some conspiracy/agenda on their part and haven’t described them as analogous to a mafia. A couple of years ago, I would have been surprised upon encountering someone describe Heidi Klum as masculine, but I had seen few pictures of her, and didn’t pay much attention to how masculine or feminine models were. Have heterosexual men go through this site, especially the entries on Heidi Klum, and see to what extent they still think she is good looking.
Try to look at pictures of Aishwarya Rai’s physique when she was a young adult and observe for yourself whether she had a decent physique. Her being a former Miss World means nothing. Go over the discussion of beauty pageants within this site and see for yourself the extent to which they are about beauty as understood by most people.
Kris: When most people prefer feminine to masculine women, it obviously means that masculine women are less attractive than feminine women from the perspective of the majority.
Among the women that you have named, Kelli Garner is the only one who is feminine, and I will see if I can find pictures of her in a bikini. Since you mentioned Jennifer Aniston and Kelly Clarkson, I hope that you spend some time browsing this site; you need the education.
Danielle: I have never made the points that you are a male homosexual or that Caroline Trentini looks like a male-to-female transsexual. Ms. Trentini looks like a woman, and I said that she is less masculine-looking than average among high-fashion models. Sorry for mistaking Linda Evangelista for Milla Jovovich. Evangelista was modeling a long time ago and a lot of her face is covered by hair, which threw me off.
15 women added to the attractive women section at some point or the other have been removed so far, and more removals are planned. Therefore, there is no B.S. about the planned removal. Her (Nikki) bone and muscle structure are a little on the heavy side, and I need to transfer her elsewhere. On the other hand, you have ignored your own selections of fashion models in poses/styles where they look more feminine than they are.
Danni: If you wanted to post a picture on your hard drive, you need to upload it to a website such as imageshack.us and then post the url of the image. What you did will not work. I may add an upload facility in the future.
George: Your comment makes little sense. So who really is uneducated and opinionated?
Sarah: White women have all hair colors and do not need a particular one to look white. Jessica Alba, on the other hand, is unable to look white in any hair color. How can you not see this?
I tend to avoid addressing the looks of actresses with no background in modeling or a history of having participated in beauty pageants. I am not aware of Jessica's past, but another individual has pointed out her being ranked #1 by FHM magazine, and it may be appropriate to address her looks, but if I do so, then it will be in a separate entry and I don't know when.
Kris: How can this woman be seen as masculine? Women limiting themselves to posing nude do not qualify as sex workers. Porn stars tend to be masculinized women and hence my statement is not nonsensical.
Kris: Don’t try to profile me...you would be surprised. Just concern yourself with the arguments. I am not comparing the attractiveness of women of different ethnic backgrounds. Therefore, not conforming to “‘Americanized’ beauty” is not an issue. Most people in all ethnic groups prefer women with above average femininity.
Danielle: I have never argued that “blacks, asians and latinos are fug.” Look at the bony part of Miranda’s nose. It is clearly much broader than the average white female’s. The lower part of her nose could seem normal if the bony part were normal. If she looked like a little girl, why would I like her? You could say that parts of her face lean toward girlish rather than womanish and then there is the masculine element, i.e., two reasons for me to not appreciate her face.
Sarah: Since you are unable to even see the broad nose, I will have to explain later in some detail the masculine element in Miranda Kerr’s face.
"You have bad taste. Give up your useless crusade."
Well stated Danielle. Your comment is a little bit rude but read in the context in which it was written, its funny and accurate. So I really have to second it.
And after reading all the comments here posted by non-educated, opinionated morons, i think all I have to say is that every time I've been confronted to discussions of this kind (trying to find a consensus on beauty) I've been confronted by the same kind of uneducated, opinionated morons, and please, do not feel bad, uneducated opinionated morons conform the largest percentage of human population. It is not rare.
You are embarking on an useless crusade, and besides you are giving some strange clues about your personal, intimate issues.
One, as an heterosexual man, does not look for guidance in magazines or tv ads when in front of an attractive female. You might be a stranger to the feeling, but it is something you feel in your gut.
Like when you smell a grilled steak.
And though a lot of people try to push the issue that this feelings are triggered and manipulated by media, this is, in fact a feminine approach, gay, if you want, when issued by men.
Because, us, men, know what we are talking about when we talk about women. And I mean, that milky white girl you posted is hot, with her flaws of course, but maybe to show them was the intention of the photographer, she's still hot. Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio are hot too.
You see, I came into this discussion because I am fond of Alessandra, but us, men who like women, do not discriminate girls as you gay people do.
You're also crazy if you think the only reason she is so popular in Hollywood is because she is used as "marketing to the Latino community." Tell me then, Erik, is that why almost all the Latinos I know hate her arrogant, overrated ass when 98% of all the white guys I know would cut off their right arm just to have a chance with her? It's always Jessica Alba this and Jessica Alba that with them.
I personally think she is overrated as well, but overrated or not, she's still beautiful according to today's standards, ESPECIALLY in comparison to all the women in your "attractive women" section, who are average at best.
Seriously, though. Let's do a little test. Put a side by side comparison of Jessica Alba in a bikini with any one of your "attractive women" in the nude, and see who men like best.
How the hell is her nose "broad"? It's perfectly in proportion to the rest of her face.
And I agree with Danielle; if I saw her for the first time and didn't know who she was, I would assume she was a teenaged girl. Nothing about her says "masculine" OR "unattractive". She's the exact opposite.
I see what you are saying about masculinization, but disagree about your picture of Miss India. She's drop-dead gorgeous.
a 35 y.o. white, heterosexual female
I was wondering- what are your thoughts on the femininity and attractiveness of Jessica Simpson?
just screwing wit choo. bb
hi, i was doing a search, "gay designers; fear curvy women"
and it sent me here. FANTASTIC. ONLY GRIPE I HAVE IS NO WOMEN LIKE ON THAT SHOW "AGE OF LOVE", BEATIFUL 40S. I'M DIVORCED, 40S, LOOKING FOR A LADY, 35 TO 45, PROMISE THIS WON'T BE AN AD, LOL. YOU'VE GOT TO TALK TO WOMEN ABOUT THIS "RICH MAN COMPLEX", THE COUPLES I'VE SEEN, THE GUY CAN GET ANY WOMAN, AND DOES. INSTEAD OF GOING FOR A GUY TO LOVE, THEY LOVE A GUY WITH MONEY. ONE MORE GRIPE, SEEMS ATTRACTIVE WOMEN LIMITED TO 38DD or so, some guys like, well, you know. AND COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT DURING AND AFTER SEX, TEACH YOUR GUY TO LISTEN TO LIKES, DISLIKES, LISTEN TO HIM, BECOMES GREAT SEX. ALL I GUESS, KNOW ANY SINGLE GALS OVER 35, GIVE EM MY INFO, HOPEFULLY, THEY WON'T GO INTO BULK.
Eric what do you think of Angelina Jolie vs. Jennifer Anniston? And Jeri Ryan?
In general, i think that it all comes down to personal taste. Eric i agree with your point, you hit the nail on the head, but i think it's rude to imply that men who prefer more masculinized women may have a gay inclination, besides, women in general are a mixture of femeninity and masculinity, there is no one in this world that ranks perfect on femeninity or masculinity.
PS: I am interested to see your opinion in male attractiveness, I also think there is too much pressure on womens looks these days.
What do you think of Jeri Ryan Eric?
Erik, i like your site and your opinion does make a point.Why do you think that the fashion industry is so successful promoting these women as being beautiful and most of all, why in hell are they so popular among men, if according to science they are not what they would prefer and consider beautiful and sexually appealing. It is very contradictory that some models like Heidy Klum and Giselle are said to be beautiful and femenine when they really are not.
Just because the majority thinks something, doesn't mean they are automatically correct. It's commen sense.
As for Jennifer Aniston and Kelly Clarkson, that's my point! Jennifer Aniston is considered to be one of the most beautiful woman by many people. And Angelina Jolie, she has slightly masculine features, and there's no denying that she's considered one of the most attrative women.
Laura: Reduction of the abdominal/lower rib cage area by the use of corsets renders an abnormal look, not a natural look of a feminine woman. A similar statement applies to breast implants. It is not a question of not looking feminine enough, but, in a number of women as in numerous Victoria’s Secret models, of looking feminine at all regardless of breast implants. Please do not forget the expense of cosmetic surgeries. More complex surgical make-overs are beyond the financial reach of many women, and if multiple major surgical procedures are involved, then few women will be willing to deal with the pain and risks even if they could afford the surgeries.
I am promoting normal-weight women, not underweight women. The only women who would end up dieting after being inspired by these normal women are overweight/obese women. Losing excess body fat will be good for their health, and they will not be promoted to lose fat beyond the normal and healthy range. The fashion world prompts some normal-weight women to lose body fat, which harms their health. So who is worse?
Ugliness is not merely the absence of attractiveness/sex appeal but the presence of physical defects/abnormalities, which fashion models lack. Therefore, talking about “sexy” fashion models does not imply that they are ugly, and I am not being pedantic here.
I haven’t been promoting “extreme hourglasses” and hence shouldn’t have to explain why they are better for women’s self-esteem. I am promoting above average femininity to an extent that most people find appealing, which isn’t close to extreme femininity. Most women naturally assign higher attractiveness to women with above average femininity. Therefore, promoting feminine beauty is not at odds with the aesthetic preferences of most women. Which is worse, promoting difficult to achieve looks that are at odds with majority preferences or difficult to achieve looks that reflect majority preferences?
I have simply made the argument about homosexual fashion designers selecting models based on their preferences. I haven’t talked about some conspiracy/agenda on their part and haven’t described them as analogous to a mafia. A couple of years ago, I would have been surprised upon encountering someone describe Heidi Klum as masculine, but I had seen few pictures of her, and didn’t pay much attention to how masculine or feminine models were. Have heterosexual men go through this site, especially the entries on Heidi Klum, and see to what extent they still think she is good looking.
Try to look at pictures of Aishwarya Rai’s physique when she was a young adult and observe for yourself whether she had a decent physique. Her being a former Miss World means nothing. Go over the discussion of beauty pageants within this site and see for yourself the extent to which they are about beauty as understood by most people.
8D: Goodness
, the woman is shockingly masculine!
Just messing with you. The woman appears to be feminine.
More importantly, are you well? What has made you seek my judgment?
Kris: When most people prefer feminine to masculine women, it obviously means that masculine women are less attractive than feminine women from the perspective of the majority.
Among the women that you have named, Kelli Garner is the only one who is feminine, and I will see if I can find pictures of her in a bikini. Since you mentioned Jennifer Aniston and Kelly Clarkson, I hope that you spend some time browsing this site; you need the education.
Danielle: I have never made the points that you are a male homosexual or that Caroline Trentini looks like a male-to-female transsexual. Ms. Trentini looks like a woman, and I said that she is less masculine-looking than average among high-fashion models. Sorry for mistaking Linda Evangelista for Milla Jovovich. Evangelista was modeling a long time ago and a lot of her face is covered by hair, which threw me off.
15 women added to the attractive women section at some point or the other have been removed so far, and more removals are planned. Therefore, there is no B.S. about the planned removal. Her (Nikki) bone and muscle structure are a little on the heavy side, and I need to transfer her elsewhere. On the other hand, you have ignored your own selections of fashion models in poses/styles where they look more feminine than they are.
Danni: If you wanted to post a picture on your hard drive, you need to upload it to a website such as imageshack.us and then post the url of the image. What you did will not work. I may add an upload facility in the future.
George: Your comment makes little sense. So who really is uneducated and opinionated?
Sarah: White women have all hair colors and do not need a particular one to look white. Jessica Alba, on the other hand, is unable to look white in any hair color. How can you not see this?
I tend to avoid addressing the looks of actresses with no background in modeling or a history of having participated in beauty pageants. I am not aware of Jessica's past, but another individual has pointed out her being ranked #1 by FHM magazine, and it may be appropriate to address her looks, but if I do so, then it will be in a separate entry and I don't know when.
Kris: How can this woman be seen as masculine? Women limiting themselves to posing nude do not qualify as sex workers. Porn stars tend to be masculinized women and hence my statement is not nonsensical.
Kris: Don’t try to profile me...you would be surprised. Just concern yourself with the arguments. I am not comparing the attractiveness of women of different ethnic backgrounds. Therefore, not conforming to “‘Americanized’ beauty” is not an issue. Most people in all ethnic groups prefer women with above average femininity.
Danielle: I have never argued that “blacks, asians and latinos are fug.” Look at the bony part of Miranda’s nose. It is clearly much broader than the average white female’s. The lower part of her nose could seem normal if the bony part were normal. If she looked like a little girl, why would I like her? You could say that parts of her face lean toward girlish rather than womanish and then there is the masculine element, i.e., two reasons for me to not appreciate her face.
Sarah: Since you are unable to even see the broad nose, I will have to explain later in some detail the masculine element in Miranda Kerr’s face.
Kris: You haven't seen plenty of fashion models with dyed hair? The more prized condition is that a model naturally have a desired hair color.
"You have bad taste. Give up your useless crusade."
Well stated Danielle. Your comment is a little bit rude but read in the context in which it was written, its funny and accurate. So I really have to second it.
And after reading all the comments here posted by non-educated, opinionated morons, i think all I have to say is that every time I've been confronted to discussions of this kind (trying to find a consensus on beauty) I've been confronted by the same kind of uneducated, opinionated morons, and please, do not feel bad, uneducated opinionated morons conform the largest percentage of human population. It is not rare.
You are embarking on an useless crusade, and besides you are giving some strange clues about your personal, intimate issues.
One, as an heterosexual man, does not look for guidance in magazines or tv ads when in front of an attractive female. You might be a stranger to the feeling, but it is something you feel in your gut.
Like when you smell a grilled steak.
And though a lot of people try to push the issue that this feelings are triggered and manipulated by media, this is, in fact a feminine approach, gay, if you want, when issued by men.
Because, us, men, know what we are talking about when we talk about women. And I mean, that milky white girl you posted is hot, with her flaws of course, but maybe to show them was the intention of the photographer, she's still hot. Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio are hot too.
You see, I came into this discussion because I am fond of Alessandra, but us, men who like women, do not discriminate girls as you gay people do.
sarah:
yeah, they're pretty big about pubes in asia. people like them there.
Regardless of her ethnicity, with blonde hair Jessica Alba looks 100% Caucasian to me. She made a perfect Sue Storm.
She may have a TINT of masculinity to her, but in no way is she obviously masculine as you make her out to be.
http://www.abstracthiphop.com/hip-hop-honeys/jessica_alba_close_up.jpg
http://www.jessica-alba.com/plugins/gallery/albums/Candid%20-%20Filming%20Awake,%20November%2014%202005/normal_Jessica-Alba.com-Filming_Awake_November14_2005.hq09.jpg
http://www.pixelbomb.com/blog/images/2006/11/jessica_alba_black_ball20_crop.jpg
http://www.gossiportruth.com/wp-content/images/Jessica_Alba-monkey.jpg
http://gallery.bizhat.com/data/971/jessica_alba_531.jpg
You're also crazy if you think the only reason she is so popular in Hollywood is because she is used as "marketing to the Latino community." Tell me then, Erik, is that why almost all the Latinos I know hate her arrogant, overrated ass when 98% of all the white guys I know would cut off their right arm just to have a chance with her? It's always Jessica Alba this and Jessica Alba that with them.
I personally think she is overrated as well, but overrated or not, she's still beautiful according to today's standards, ESPECIALLY in comparison to all the women in your "attractive women" section, who are average at best.
Seriously, though. Let's do a little test. Put a side by side comparison of Jessica Alba in a bikini with any one of your "attractive women" in the nude, and see who men like best.
How the hell is her nose "broad"? It's perfectly in proportion to the rest of her face.
And I agree with Danielle; if I saw her for the first time and didn't know who she was, I would assume she was a teenaged girl. Nothing about her says "masculine" OR "unattractive". She's the exact opposite.
8D, she has a very pretty face. This is what I love about Asian women; some are so soft and sweet looking yet still manage to be sexy.
I really DO NOT like pubic hair, though, so that kind of made me gag.
this person fem y/n?
http://www.asian-sirens.com/blog/comments.php?id=1410_0_1_0_C
Elle is statueseque and facially striking. Monica is trash
I see what you are saying about masculinization, but disagree about your picture of Miss India. She's drop-dead gorgeous.
a 35 y.o. white, heterosexual female
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