While I believe in freedom of speech; squabbles, insults and on-going battles between contributors (having nothing to do with you or this site) DO annoy your readers and add nothing to what you are trying to promote. I don’t know what you can do about it, but to ME, it lessens the impact of this site and is tedious at best.
You mean... my little quarrel with Danielle.
I protest, Your Honour, she abused me first.
That annoying Ms. Cathar Perfect was accusing me of holding heretical racist deviant views.
Then she went Medieval on me and ended up hitting me in both my fists with her eyesocket - repeatedly.
Wheat and tares, sheep and wolves. Particularly since Pope Innocent III's Vergentis in senium (1199), which defined heresy as treason against God, the parable of the wheat and the tares was often repeated in inquisitorial literature, interpreted and presented as divine approbation—and even as active charge—to eradicate from the church unwholesome elements that refused correction. 81 The image of wolves clothed as sheep (Matthew 7) was also a topos in inquisitorial discourse, admonishing faithful Christians that heretics similarly masked their evil habits with a disguise of piety and, more seriously, served Satan in leading the good astray and sabotaging their salvation. Both texts, and their supposed mandate for expulsion and violence, also reached the laity. In the Dominican Humbert of Romans's instructions for inquisitorial sermons, he recommended that inquisitors cite the parable of the wheat and the tares in order to justify this work, and compare heretics to wolves disguised as sheep, in order to invert any conceptions that heretics were pious and Catholics unchristian. Bernard's exemplum of the rams seized by butchers even recalled Humbert's advice that preaching inquisitors inform listeners that heretics resembled the foxes who craftily stole their chickens at night, itself a homier version of the common ecclesiastical comparison of heretics to the little foxes who spoiled the vines (Song of Solomon 2:15). 82 Bernard Délicieux's sermons, then, adopted exactly the themes and strategies that inquisition had long used publicly to justify itself and to cultivate the agreement that its tasks were holy works, the reconciliation of sinners, the establishment on earth of God's own justice. While Bernard may have known Humbert's preaching manual, it is more likely that this imagery had long borne such public, inquisitorial currency that it had entered the cultural vocabulary of heresy and orthodoxy, good and evil. 83 Jean de Picquigny's deployment of such imagery in a letter to fellow laymen underscores this.
Here, as in other incidents of anti-inquisitorial violence, significant lay antipathy was the engine. Although the cleric Bernard presented this imagery, the congregation did its own work of glossing, determining that the "wolves" guised as sheep were not heretics, but instead inquisitors and their supporters. These events thus gesture toward the common inquisitorial problem of discernment: the constant, troubling need to discriminate true piety from false, alliances with God from those with the devil, orthodoxy from heresy. But discernment was not just the work of clerics. We see here the force, and some repercussions, of the laity's ability to disagree with ecclesiastical and inquisitorial identifications of the truly wicked, the rightfully punished, and the "legitimate authority" holding power from God. Some citizens saw a world inverted in justice and authority. And the alchemy by which Catholics were transformed into heretics and divine justice into injustice constituted its own devilish crime. When inquisitors committed malfeasance, were so palpably unjust, and tormented Catholics, they not only abrogated their charge, but thence became "sinners," "heretics," and "devils." 84 The grave sin of deviation, of departures from God's right order, was then justifiably met with an earthly violence that both prepared for, and also mirrored, God's own violent punishment of transgressors. As we have seen, this rhetoric and reasoning underlay the inquisitorial office itself and more specifically execution, which glanced backward to biblical precedents and forward to eternal damnation. Violence against inquisition could thus constitute a thoughtful, righteous usurpation by laypeople of the inquisitorial office and of its putatively divine mandate to correct the errant and to punish the incorrigible. Just as inquisition should not be reduced to medieval "cruelty," impious hypocrisy, or political strategy, popular violence against inquisition was neither bound to an inescapable, monolithic mentality, nor was a mob's irrational frenzy. In these acts, careful choices were made and rationales formed: violence responded not to the very fact of inquisition in all places and times, but to exactly those events by which the office appeared to violate, rather than to implement, God's justice. They were the opposite of irrationality. 85
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81 Innocent III, Vergentis in senium, in E. Friedberg, ed., Corpus iuris canonici, 2 vols. (Leipzig, 1879–1881), 2: 782–83.
82 Humbert of Romans, De eruditione predicatorum, 554–55. Inquisitorial sources indicate that some preachers indeed followed Humbert's advice and used this biblical imagery in practice; see, for example, Doat 28, fol. 193v.
83 Friedlander refers to these references to evil grasses as "new, strange themes" in Bernard's preaching; they were neither new nor strange to inquisitors and those who heard their sermons. Friedlander, Hammer of the Inquisitors, 127. Bernard Délicieux appears to have been quite aware of their inquisitorial use; during his trial he argued unpersuasively that "by 'evil grasses' he meant heretics, whom he encouraged to be exterminated if they were discovered." Friedlander, Processus Bernardi Delitiosi, 195.
84 Lansing interprets another example of such naming, during the anti-inquisitorial resistance in Bologna in 1299, as rhetorical; it resulted from laypeople's recognition of "the political uses of heresy charges." Lansing, Power and Purity, 15.
85 Nirenberg, Communities of Violence, 46–48. This dynamic is, then, analogous to Natalie Zemon Davis's argument that the putative chaos and unthinking frenzy of Protestant and Catholic rioters in early modern France was, in fact, orderly violence that sought to defend doctrine and to supply, or correct, absent or failed mechanisms of justice. Faced with the perceived indolence or impotence of God's appointed deputies (magistrates, clergy) in the wake of profound religious deviation, men and women assumed for themselves the duty of exercising here below God's punishment through pain and death, rendering their violence not "pathological" and "mindless" but rather structured and perceived as legitimate. Natalie Zemon Davis, "The Rites of Violence," in Zemon Davis, Society and Culture in Early Modern France: Eight Essays (Stanford, Calif., 1975), 152–87.
It's well known and obvious that curvier figures are more appealing to men, but some women aren't blessed with that ideal. I agree that a lot of runway models are grossly skeletal and suffer eating disorders, but some women are naturally very thin and sites like this make us feel more unattractive than we already do. Designers choose thinner women for their shows because the figure is versatile for the clothes, much like a mannequin's figure. A runway model's figure is an unrealistic image to idolize just like a model with a 40JJ bust. How jealous must someone be to criticize the size of someones feet? :lol:
I think its has a lot to do with social status. Previously, most people in Europe were undernourished. A wealthy person could afford to eat more and therefore was proud of his/her extra pounds. A heavier frame indicated wealth. Thus, heavier women were more desirable. Now, cheap, fattening food is becoming more and more available, and the lower class is teetering on truly obese. It seems that society reacted to the fat=poor equation and automatically began associating body-fat with fast food and trailer trash. So the skinnier a woman is, the richer she seems.
Women mutilating and abusing their bodies in order to please men (as well as to impress other women) is certainly nothing new. In China, footbinding was a sign of beauty and wealth. The feet were the most sexual part of a woman's body. It's sick to imagine it now, but the more mutilated a woman's feet were, the more attractive she was. This seemed normal at the time. Bound feet indicated that a woman was wealthy enough to be (literally) incapable of walking. Only the wealthy women could afford to be carried around all day. This extremely erotic trait was a display of wealth and social status.. at the woman's expense.
It wasn't long after the Western world rejected the corset (which was truly dangerous and hazardous to a woman's health and absolutely a form of physical mutilation) that this bizarre self-torture ritual was replaced by another: thinness to the point of looking like a little boy. Being so skinny that you look helpless and weak is not all that different from being so crippled that you can't walk. Strangely, society as a whole has a pattern of seeing suffering women as the ultimate attraction.
Most of us would like to believe that we determine what we find beautiful, ugly, desirable, weird. But we don't. We are a product of the society in which we live, and the sick expectations that are "in vogue" at the time. Even the body parts which we associate with sexuality are relative. It does not help that the fashion and advertising world feeds off of this vulnerability.. but it's nothing new. Healthy was apparently never all that interesting. Perhaps this is patriarchal. A lot of men like a skinny woman for the same reason they hate Hillary Clinton or any other woman who is capable of fulfilling a man's role. Female beauty comes in many forms. Unfortunately, humans love to keep things as simple as possible. Both of these women are beautiful. Elle is definitely not a role-model for the average teenage girl because she has a very unusual body type. She does not look anorexic or ill in these pictures. But other than her face, I think she looks a bit strange. (I was a baby in the 80s so I kind of missed out on the whole muscle mania.) But I'm sure that if I was a teenager during the time that Elle was hugely popular, I would have worshiped her just like everyone else- shoulders and all. I don't care if they put a giraffe on the next Calvin Klein Ad. I just hope she's healthy. Making women want to buy clothing by making them feel ugly and inadequate is not only cruel, it's lazy. The most beautiful, well made clothing doesn't require a three-breasted wonder woman in order to sell. Why is it that our society can only handle one "official" form of ideal beauty at a time? If I saw a lovely 5'5 130 lb model on a Calvin Klein ad, I'd be shocked.. but my shock would quickly be replaced by relief and admiration. Why not beautiful women of all body types.. big boobs no boobs big bum thick thighs. I'm not saying truly overweight women should be applauded for heaviness. Being too fat is extremely unhealthy as well. No woman should be encouraged not to care for her body. But there is a good 120 lb difference between the average woman walking down the isle at walmart and the average girl walking down the runway at Gucci. Why not fill in the gap a bit? The more types of beauty we are encouraged to appreciate, the more beauty we'll see. In ourselves and in others.
Zonneschijn: I have asked you to stop leaving more comments until I respond to all your previous comments. Do not test my patience. If I adopt the comments policy mentioned previously, you will not be able to leave more comments here. The choice is yours: either wait for me to respond and be able to leave comments therefater or completely lose the ability to leave comments.
I have also repeatedly asked you to stick to a single alias. And, if you are going to post a large number of pictures on the same page, then you should post them as clickable thumbnails.
Indeed, do not see the different of pamela anderson and your glamour models. without the botox thick lips, fake breasts, fitness shape. she can be one of your glamour models.
Given the exact proportional measurement criteria they have devised, wouldn't it be possible to digitally render a model of the "perfectly" beautiful woman?
I used to have beautifull ex-girlfriend like the girls from the pictures below. but what I did find in her. she used to say she is ugly and too fat,too short, she dosen't like her pink cheeks, white skin, blond hair and small nose. she would like to look like adriana lima, kiera knightley or angelina joli, more than the white angel.
There is something wrong when people slam a beautiful girl's body shape and facial features like judges at a livestock show. I suppose it's because we have far too much choice when it come to images of women these days. We can get too specific, too obsessed with a certain nipple size or roundness of the ass. But this isn't reality. In reality all women have defects, if not exterior then interior. Just as all men do. Who can really look in the mirror and say they understand or like what the see? But then again that image doesn't even look like what we really are. (It is too flattened for one thing.) But there is cruelty in people who have nothing better to do than to disparge the minutiae of another's appearance. Which of us could stand up to such scrutiny ourselves? None, I dare say. And to think that this is being done in a format where the model is most likely reading it. Could you be crueler if you hunted her down on the streets like a dog? Of course it is strange that the ones who seem to come to her aid do so to prove that they would indeed enjoy a little fornication time. Then again I suppose Melisande's poses seem to suggest such an outcome would be welcome. It's ironic because her face has enough depth to suggest something else. I hope she can realize that before the image consuming machinery eats her up. Whoever she is, there is beauty there. She is certainly far above average. But true beauty comes from the soul. Maybe the harrowing you folks have given her is something she needs to confront so that she can live in reality not in this virtual image jungle.
Guys, Recca's "built" as one says of body phenotype, is undoubtedly masculine, and the features of her face further emphasise it.
There is a remarkable tendency in caucasian women to have sholders that are wider than hips, unexpressed waist, as well as sharp, almost corner-like face features.
Consider, for instance, areals where ethnic intermixing results in more diverse phenotype collections - such as around the "real" caucasus, area around the Caspian Sea. Similar areals exist in Balcans and the Mediterranean - women are much more likely to express that "curvy" pattern with better, classic feminine balance of hips/waist/shoulders.
It is unfortunate that the mainstream promoters lack education and sense to realise just how deeply degrading their cash-cow focused selections are, but what's truly unsettling is the impact that those choices have on development, broad-sense education of younger generation, as you get to see more and more women-turn-men, and men-turn-women among 20-smth kids.
What if a girl is naturally slender? I’ve basically recovered from anorexia but I am still slender. Naturally that is. So is my mother, it’s in my genes, it has nothing to do with my disorder in the PAST just to make it clear so that I don‘t have people saying “you‘re unnaturally skinny! It‘s cuz you don‘t eat! Blah blah blah“. So is a slender woman masculine? Even if she exercises and eats healthy? I mean it kinda sucks if people are like “you have to be curvy to be feminine” there are different types of feminine body shapes. Obviously if you starve yourself to be skinny that is unnatural and I believe masculine because of the fact they end up being flat chested and majorly skinny BUT to the extreme.
Example Vlada Roslyakova who in these pictures looks UNNATURALLY skinny and therefore masculinised in a pre adolescent boy sort of way.
But here are I presume are naturally slender woman
Sasha Pivovarova (She is quoted to say “I can be naturally thin” I believe she is. I have seen anorexia she is not it)
Yulia Volkova (Black spikey hair, I love her! She is totally stunning and sexy :P)
So what I’m trying to get at is a naturally slender woman who is not particularly curvy (Volkova is curvy now since her two pregnancies, the pictures I put up were before) are they masculine? I don’t think so. I think Sasha and Yulia are both very sexy and beautiful woman, Sasha in a very classy way which I love! On the other hand Vlada looks like you could snap her in two. Sooooo what do you think? CAN A GIRL BE SLENDER BUT FEMININE?
Erik : here Máiréad Nesbitt, the beautifull blonde woman for u, I like her very much. she is celtic singer, dollish looking, full plump body. try to find her concert's cd to watch, u will find she has very classical character like an angel.
All of these plumped women, when they were young they looked not much different than your glamour models.
Take a look !how it is when u have no jawline at all.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. This is among the dumbest things I have ever read. Way to get the worst pics you could of the SI models too and compare them to high quality pics of no name girls that are a dime a dozen. HAHAHAHAHA, so dumb.
Erik : Violators will have their comments summarily deleted and repeat violators will be banned.
so your websit is only biases then. I wanted to tell u, the woman of yoru feminine women section looked really like an old hag. I think the person who are belower than kinderkaten is YOU! because u always see thing that the other people do not see. the beautifull women that all people agree they are beautifull you find them masculine. I think you are what u said to the other people, lifetime exclusive homosexual. insult and say bad to women. I REALLY HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH MALES LIKE U!
Erik : oh sorry, I haven't read your discription on that page. I did see the picture of your models, one of them looks quite like pamela anderson very much untill I misunderstood. really I do not see the different between pamela anderson and your guildlined model in the section, attactive feminine women. u can take a look at this picture. they both look similar.
Zonneschijn, you need to stop. You are unfit to be debating here because your English is very poor and you have insufficient background in science. I have clearly argued that Pamela Anderson is a masculinized woman (also this), and you accuse me and Der Wanderer of regarding her as a feminine woman!
I am thinking about having a comments policy 1) forbidding people from critiquing arguments unless they have English proficiency equivalent to the high school level in English-speaking countries, and 2) forbidding people from critiquing any scientific materials in the website unless they offer empirical evidence to counter my arguments. Violators will have their comments summarily deleted and repeat violators will be banned. I don’t want to waste my time clarifying my arguments and correcting misunderstandings.
Learn some goddamned English and basic science!
I will reply to the rest when I have the time. Wait for me to answer your existing comments before leaving more comments addressing my arguments.
To ask me, kristin kreuk is beautifull or not? I'd say she is not beautifull. but she is feminine than pamela anderson.
such as this chinese actress, I do not find she is pretty also because I don't like small eyes, short plump body and chubby face. but I also can not denie that this chinese woman is very feminine.
Erik, De wanderer : let's look at the picture of Pamela Anderson, your adorable feminine women? I really curious what's part of your brain u use to decide she is feminine? and Kristin Kreuk is not feminine? just only pamela anderson got blong hair? so u say she is feminine?
Here Pamela Anderson, with her dispoportion breasts.
Erik Holland: Why don't you post some pictures of yourself?
We need the following -
- a close-up mug shot,
- side shots from both sides,
- head to torso shot without clothes on, and
- and a full picture
(please cover your little thing if you don't want us to laugh)
Let us analyze your masculinity and find out how feminine you are. Seriously, we are getting sick of your analysis of females without seeing anything to establish your own credibility to do any analysis at all.
I noticed that this website has a page called "Attractive Women" and the page has a picture of Charlize Theron. That's only her face. Yes, she has some "feminine" features on her face. She also looks like this - http://www.celebritycowboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/charlineze-theron-red-carpet.jpg
She has broad shoulders, neck muscles (which are typically hidden with her hair, but not in this picture), strong upper body, etc.
Too bad this little message window does not let me insert pictures, or I could have shown you masculine features of the women you claim to be feminine.
I think you have got too caught up on features of women. People are the way they are. What could Charlize Theron have done if she wanted to have a more feminine shoulder, neck muscles, etc? Don't you think you are creating a bigger issue than it really is? Do you think you have no feminine features? (I am assuming you are male, and not some fat woman who can't get any dates).
De wanderer : I believe not all the time that u and erik got the nice angles on photograph also. the picture of kristen kreck u posted is the result of timing and angle. this also depending on the photographer'd set the pictures into which way. even the most white women also can look like african by photoshop and photo technic, makeup face etc.
Sandy :
You mean... my little quarrel with Danielle.
I protest, Your Honour, she abused me first.
That annoying Ms. Cathar Perfect was accusing me of holding heretical racist deviant views.
Then she went Medieval on me and ended up hitting me in both my fists with her eyesocket - repeatedly.
So I did the right thing and sent her to Hell :
My conscience is clean.
It's well known and obvious that curvier figures are more appealing to men, but some women aren't blessed with that ideal. I agree that a lot of runway models are grossly skeletal and suffer eating disorders, but some women are naturally very thin and sites like this make us feel more unattractive than we already do. Designers choose thinner women for their shows because the figure is versatile for the clothes, much like a mannequin's figure. A runway model's figure is an unrealistic image to idolize just like a model with a 40JJ bust. How jealous must someone be to criticize the size of someones feet? :lol:
Zonneschijn is an obvious troll
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I think its has a lot to do with social status. Previously, most people in Europe were undernourished. A wealthy person could afford to eat more and therefore was proud of his/her extra pounds. A heavier frame indicated wealth. Thus, heavier women were more desirable. Now, cheap, fattening food is becoming more and more available, and the lower class is teetering on truly obese. It seems that society reacted to the fat=poor equation and automatically began associating body-fat with fast food and trailer trash. So the skinnier a woman is, the richer she seems.
Women mutilating and abusing their bodies in order to please men (as well as to impress other women) is certainly nothing new. In China, footbinding was a sign of beauty and wealth. The feet were the most sexual part of a woman's body. It's sick to imagine it now, but the more mutilated a woman's feet were, the more attractive she was. This seemed normal at the time. Bound feet indicated that a woman was wealthy enough to be (literally) incapable of walking. Only the wealthy women could afford to be carried around all day. This extremely erotic trait was a display of wealth and social status.. at the woman's expense.
It wasn't long after the Western world rejected the corset (which was truly dangerous and hazardous to a woman's health and absolutely a form of physical mutilation) that this bizarre self-torture ritual was replaced by another: thinness to the point of looking like a little boy. Being so skinny that you look helpless and weak is not all that different from being so crippled that you can't walk. Strangely, society as a whole has a pattern of seeing suffering women as the ultimate attraction.
Most of us would like to believe that we determine what we find beautiful, ugly, desirable, weird. But we don't. We are a product of the society in which we live, and the sick expectations that are "in vogue" at the time. Even the body parts which we associate with sexuality are relative. It does not help that the fashion and advertising world feeds off of this vulnerability.. but it's nothing new. Healthy was apparently never all that interesting. Perhaps this is patriarchal. A lot of men like a skinny woman for the same reason they hate Hillary Clinton or any other woman who is capable of fulfilling a man's role. Female beauty comes in many forms. Unfortunately, humans love to keep things as simple as possible. Both of these women are beautiful. Elle is definitely not a role-model for the average teenage girl because she has a very unusual body type. She does not look anorexic or ill in these pictures. But other than her face, I think she looks a bit strange. (I was a baby in the 80s so I kind of missed out on the whole muscle mania.) But I'm sure that if I was a teenager during the time that Elle was hugely popular, I would have worshiped her just like everyone else- shoulders and all. I don't care if they put a giraffe on the next Calvin Klein Ad. I just hope she's healthy. Making women want to buy clothing by making them feel ugly and inadequate is not only cruel, it's lazy. The most beautiful, well made clothing doesn't require a three-breasted wonder woman in order to sell. Why is it that our society can only handle one "official" form of ideal beauty at a time? If I saw a lovely 5'5 130 lb model on a Calvin Klein ad, I'd be shocked.. but my shock would quickly be replaced by relief and admiration. Why not beautiful women of all body types.. big boobs no boobs big bum thick thighs. I'm not saying truly overweight women should be applauded for heaviness. Being too fat is extremely unhealthy as well. No woman should be encouraged not to care for her body. But there is a good 120 lb difference between the average woman walking down the isle at walmart and the average girl walking down the runway at Gucci. Why not fill in the gap a bit? The more types of beauty we are encouraged to appreciate, the more beauty we'll see. In ourselves and in others.
Zonneschijn: I have asked you to stop leaving more comments until I respond to all your previous comments. Do not test my patience. If I adopt the comments policy mentioned previously, you will not be able to leave more comments here. The choice is yours: either wait for me to respond and be able to leave comments therefater or completely lose the ability to leave comments.
I have also repeatedly asked you to stick to a single alias. And, if you are going to post a large number of pictures on the same page, then you should post them as clickable thumbnails.
Indeed, do not see the different of pamela anderson and your glamour models. without the botox thick lips, fake breasts, fitness shape. she can be one of your glamour models.
Given the exact proportional measurement criteria they have devised, wouldn't it be possible to digitally render a model of the "perfectly" beautiful woman?
I used to have beautifull ex-girlfriend like the girls from the pictures below. but what I did find in her. she used to say she is ugly and too fat,too short, she dosen't like her pink cheeks, white skin, blond hair and small nose. she would like to look like adriana lima, kiera knightley or angelina joli, more than the white angel.
There is something wrong when people slam a beautiful girl's body shape and facial features like judges at a livestock show. I suppose it's because we have far too much choice when it come to images of women these days. We can get too specific, too obsessed with a certain nipple size or roundness of the ass. But this isn't reality. In reality all women have defects, if not exterior then interior. Just as all men do. Who can really look in the mirror and say they understand or like what the see? But then again that image doesn't even look like what we really are. (It is too flattened for one thing.) But there is cruelty in people who have nothing better to do than to disparge the minutiae of another's appearance. Which of us could stand up to such scrutiny ourselves? None, I dare say. And to think that this is being done in a format where the model is most likely reading it. Could you be crueler if you hunted her down on the streets like a dog? Of course it is strange that the ones who seem to come to her aid do so to prove that they would indeed enjoy a little fornication time. Then again I suppose Melisande's poses seem to suggest such an outcome would be welcome. It's ironic because her face has enough depth to suggest something else. I hope she can realize that before the image consuming machinery eats her up. Whoever she is, there is beauty there. She is certainly far above average. But true beauty comes from the soul. Maybe the harrowing you folks have given her is something she needs to confront so that she can live in reality not in this virtual image jungle.
Guys, Recca's "built" as one says of body phenotype, is undoubtedly masculine, and the features of her face further emphasise it.
There is a remarkable tendency in caucasian women to have sholders that are wider than hips, unexpressed waist, as well as sharp, almost corner-like face features.
Consider, for instance, areals where ethnic intermixing results in more diverse phenotype collections - such as around the "real" caucasus, area around the Caspian Sea. Similar areals exist in Balcans and the Mediterranean - women are much more likely to express that "curvy" pattern with better, classic feminine balance of hips/waist/shoulders.
It is unfortunate that the mainstream promoters lack education and sense to realise just how deeply degrading their cash-cow focused selections are, but what's truly unsettling is the impact that those choices have on development, broad-sense education of younger generation, as you get to see more and more women-turn-men, and men-turn-women among 20-smth kids.
What if a girl is naturally slender? I’ve basically recovered from anorexia but I am still slender. Naturally that is. So is my mother, it’s in my genes, it has nothing to do with my disorder in the PAST just to make it clear so that I don‘t have people saying “you‘re unnaturally skinny! It‘s cuz you don‘t eat! Blah blah blah“. So is a slender woman masculine? Even if she exercises and eats healthy? I mean it kinda sucks if people are like “you have to be curvy to be feminine” there are different types of feminine body shapes. Obviously if you starve yourself to be skinny that is unnatural and I believe masculine because of the fact they end up being flat chested and majorly skinny BUT to the extreme.
Example Vlada Roslyakova who in these pictures looks UNNATURALLY skinny and therefore masculinised in a pre adolescent boy sort of way.
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/00630m.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/17.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/57802_Vlada_Roslyakova_4oh_122_309lo.jpg
But here are I presume are naturally slender woman
Sasha Pivovarova (She is quoted to say “I can be naturally thin” I believe she is. I have seen anorexia she is not it)
Yulia Volkova (Black spikey hair, I love her! She is totally stunning and sexy :P)
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/FHM.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/photoshoot_by_beth_herzhaft_04-copy.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/sarahluvzyu/ef_tatu.jpg
So what I’m trying to get at is a naturally slender woman who is not particularly curvy (Volkova is curvy now since her two pregnancies, the pictures I put up were before) are they masculine? I don’t think so. I think Sasha and Yulia are both very sexy and beautiful woman, Sasha in a very classy way which I love! On the other hand Vlada looks like you could snap her in two. Sooooo what do you think? CAN A GIRL BE SLENDER BUT FEMININE?
Erik : here Máiréad Nesbitt, the beautifull blonde woman for u, I like her very much. she is celtic singer, dollish looking, full plump body. try to find her concert's cd to watch, u will find she has very classical character like an angel.
All of these plumped women, when they were young they looked not much different than your glamour models.
Take a look !how it is when u have no jawline at all.
Do u like?
And when your glamour model grown old.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. This is among the dumbest things I have ever read. Way to get the worst pics you could of the SI models too and compare them to high quality pics of no name girls that are a dime a dozen. HAHAHAHAHA, so dumb.
Erik : Violators will have their comments summarily deleted and repeat violators will be banned.
so your websit is only biases then. I wanted to tell u, the woman of yoru feminine women section looked really like an old hag. I think the person who are belower than kinderkaten is YOU! because u always see thing that the other people do not see. the beautifull women that all people agree they are beautifull you find them masculine. I think you are what u said to the other people, lifetime exclusive homosexual. insult and say bad to women. I REALLY HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH MALES LIKE U!
Erik : the pictures of your attractive women section? when take a look at her face without reading the profile carefully, I think of pamela anderson.
Erik : oh sorry, I haven't read your discription on that page. I did see the picture of your models, one of them looks quite like pamela anderson very much untill I misunderstood. really I do not see the different between pamela anderson and your guildlined model in the section, attactive feminine women. u can take a look at this picture. they both look similar.
why on the attactive women section u have pamela anderson then?
well, I'm graduated social science, major english from somewhere in scandinavia.
AAARRRRGGGHHH!!!
Zonneschijn, you need to stop. You are unfit to be debating here because your English is very poor and you have insufficient background in science. I have clearly argued that Pamela Anderson is a masculinized woman (also this), and you accuse me and Der Wanderer of regarding her as a feminine woman!
I am thinking about having a comments policy 1) forbidding people from critiquing arguments unless they have English proficiency equivalent to the high school level in English-speaking countries, and 2) forbidding people from critiquing any scientific materials in the website unless they offer empirical evidence to counter my arguments. Violators will have their comments summarily deleted and repeat violators will be banned. I don’t want to waste my time clarifying my arguments and correcting misunderstandings.
Learn some goddamned English and basic science!
I will reply to the rest when I have the time. Wait for me to answer your existing comments before leaving more comments addressing my arguments.
To ask me, kristin kreuk is beautifull or not? I'd say she is not beautifull. but she is feminine than pamela anderson.
such as this chinese actress, I do not find she is pretty also because I don't like small eyes, short plump body and chubby face. but I also can not denie that this chinese woman is very feminine.
Erik, De wanderer : let's look at the picture of Pamela Anderson, your adorable feminine women? I really curious what's part of your brain u use to decide she is feminine? and Kristin Kreuk is not feminine? just only pamela anderson got blong hair? so u say she is feminine?
Here Pamela Anderson, with her dispoportion breasts.
Compare to Kristin Kreuk.
Erik Holland: Why don't you post some pictures of yourself?
We need the following -
- a close-up mug shot,
- side shots from both sides,
- head to torso shot without clothes on, and
- and a full picture
(please cover your little thing if you don't want us to laugh)
Let us analyze your masculinity and find out how feminine you are. Seriously, we are getting sick of your analysis of females without seeing anything to establish your own credibility to do any analysis at all.
http://www.bestcelebgossip.com/Claudiapics2/megan-fox-lonely.jpg
I'm sure you will delete my post if you are a not a real "man" with courage to face up to scrutiny.
I noticed that this website has a page called "Attractive Women" and the page has a picture of Charlize Theron. That's only her face. Yes, she has some "feminine" features on her face. She also looks like this -
http://www.celebritycowboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/charlineze-theron-red-carpet.jpg
She has broad shoulders, neck muscles (which are typically hidden with her hair, but not in this picture), strong upper body, etc.
Too bad this little message window does not let me insert pictures, or I could have shown you masculine features of the women you claim to be feminine.
I think you have got too caught up on features of women. People are the way they are. What could Charlize Theron have done if she wanted to have a more feminine shoulder, neck muscles, etc? Don't you think you are creating a bigger issue than it really is? Do you think you have no feminine features? (I am assuming you are male, and not some fat woman who can't get any dates).
De wanderer : I believe not all the time that u and erik got the nice angles on photograph also. the picture of kristen kreck u posted is the result of timing and angle. this also depending on the photographer'd set the pictures into which way. even the most white women also can look like african by photoshop and photo technic, makeup face etc.
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